As a dedicated logibro (no, the name isn't just for show) this is not unusual for me to come close to the top or even top the leaderboard as a logistics with less kills than other people. Keep in mind that a kill is +50wp, while a revive is +60wp with additional triage points while you rep them back to full health. Then throw in resupplys or team spawns. And to think it's only going to get better when we add in points for scanning targets that then get killed.

The Logibro life is a good life.

Should've gone 21/0.

You get WP because people use your stuff, you know? So, you must be making some good use of it, no?!

If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol

it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it...

So then why, dear Logibro, are you calling logi suit/equipment changes at supply depots a bug in your most recent bug report? I call it good, ingenious logi work. Why would you consider a "fix" for this when many logis enjoy this capability and benefit from it greatly?

Bug report:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1292823#post1292823

Players are toping the charts with 1 kill and 15 deaths over players with 20 kills 0 deaths because they are dropping logi.

If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol

it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it...

Lame

Not exactly sure why someone is complaining about logi's doing they're job

OP,

You realize that we're at odds on this issue, right? It's ridiculous to call suit and equipment changes a bug. It's smart logistics work, plain and simple.

Hahah. This thread is awesome. Glad to see that all of my hard work does not go unappreciated. For the record, my favorite suit is a adv Gal logi with 391 eHP, an exile, two adv speed stems, an adv stamina stem, double uplinks (four total deployable) and a compact nano. I have a 2.11 kdr (if you think that it is easy running around with 391 eHP and a exile most of the time your insane). I regularly turn the tide of battle with this suit... And to anyone saying that it is easy being a logi, that is absolutly nonsence. It takes a lot of very carful thought and planning (most of the time) espesialy when it is a close battle. When I am done placing uplinks (which most of the time it is a never ending battle just to keep them on the board) if I am still alive, I'll switch to my nano suit and start droping pro triage and pro guaged nanos in supremely stratigic locations. If I survive through this, and all my uplinks are still in relevant locations, I'll switch to either my rep/rez/scan logi, or my adv Gal medium slayer suit (two comp damage mods and 559 armor with a GK-13, GLU, or GEK, an a compact nano), just depends on what I feel is more needed. tbh, I don't see how switching at depots is a problem, it is a lot of hard work doing what I do, and most of the time it is a thankless job (not as recognized or praised as much as the "slayer"). I see no reason why the equipment I deploy in one suit should all-of-a-sudden vanish because I happen to be in a different suit with different equipment at some point in a match. I work very hard to get that equipment out on the board.

Sorry, bro. Truthfully, I just want answers. The bug report seriously pissed me off because it's ridiculous to call creative, innovative play a "bug". Many logis have this function to thank for all of the amazing support possibilities that are currently available to them. Take this capability away and our class becomes far less dynamic and the game becomes less fun. Hell, removing our ability to move tons of equipment across the map to support our team goes against what the name of our class is predicated upon. WE ARE LOGISTICS!

It's not like we never die in our best gear, dude. On average, my deaths cost WAY more than yours do, bud. I promise you that.

Couldn't agree more, it already cost a but load of money to be a logi. And if I have to pay to deply equipment, then you slayers should have to pay for bullets, and you should have to pay me directly if any of those bullets came from one of my nanos, and you should have to pay me for repairing your suit, and rezing you. How do you like them apples?

There is PLENTY of risk!

A Logi is running around in a squishy expensive fit at or past the front line and will lose that it often enough to its serious ISK.
I personally lose enough fits supporting you that I could net more ISK running a BPO Assault suit.

You think only of the suit after the equipment is placed. You don't consider the danger and expense required to place it, as if I can spawn at the ground base and magically transport it to the front line without putting myself at risk.

Like I've told others before, try it yourself and see if it's as easy as you think before crying about it. It's easy to spout ignorant opinions, it's another to do the research.

I sort of get what you are saying OP, I just found this thread funny because i never thought i would see a nerf the logi doing his role thread as opposed to nerf logi slayers, ar's, forges, mass drivers, tanks....

Oh dang...
You know you're wrong when a dev posts something that contradicts you.

Sounds like this is working as intended. Obviously you can deploy a full spectrum of hives and uplinks from standard up to proto, as well you should be able to do this because it is not the same equipment.

The 10,000 dollar question is can you shed any light on any so called exploit?

WOW, 8 pages just for me! :) I am the one you speak of #1 1/14 3200wp 700k isk! Well my alter ego, GOD!
9 of the 14 were SUICIDES! FK the supply depo's.Time IS MONEY!
Just to help you sleep better, I suicide to get to the next objective FASTER! I have over 1 billion isk! I lost 3 80k ships in that match! I retook 3 of the objectives! I dont care about the isk/sp/wp! WINNING is my only objective! I will drop 1mill on a match if I have to! You act like all this sp/wp/isk comes free? WRONG! You have to SPEND money to MAKE money! Im capped out and still get 1st place almost every match! When YOU hit 22 mill SP like me, u can do whatever you like!

That's a separate issue. Yes, you shouldn't be able to spam an unlimited amount of equipment, but a logibro using their equipment efficiently should and can still make a massive difference and is capable of racking up an impressive number of war points.

Dude, I am NOT on your side! You guys who are complaining about this are going to ruin a lot of people's fun.

Got a idea. Remove the ability to switch suits at the supply depot. To compensate for this buff the amount of warpoints for loging, aving, and slaying. Also allow the depot to refill equipment and heal for a certain amount. This will increase the important of roles on the battlefield and makes the depot a key objective in a match.. thus allowing a more tactical, skillful experience to dust.

Then you aren't running the amount of proto equipment he is running. The good stuff is expensive.
I have one ADV Min suit with three top of the line proto hives that runs 90k.

I've also got a full BPO SEVR suit that I can play with, but it isn't nearly as effective.

What I find stupefying is that people are complaining about how effectively we support them.

This isn't a case of someone killing them too easily, it's a complaint that they don't want for ammo, a place to spawn, reps, and the like.

No, they are willing to cut off their nose to spite their face because they see us as being unjustly rewarded for our effort to help them.

Never mind that they are completely wrong about the effort and risk involved, it's the whiny self centered attitude that those who spend all match carting water for them shouldn't be so presumptuous as to out score them that gets to me.

Ignorance I can forgive, but KDR snobbery is intentional stupidity. They have their precious statistic, but they can't leave it t that. They demand the lions share of the WPs as well.

Maybe OP can actually RESPOND to people.

Is this guy's tactic what you're referring to? The ability to have twelve or whatever different types of Nanohive on the field? Or the (apparently now fixed) ability to place as many MLT nanohives as you want?

Or is this entire thread just flame bait?

Listen, we know that the assaulters are mad that you are going 20-0 and you aren't number 1.

Guess what? They get points for doing their job, the same that you get points for killing. Placement on the scoreboard don't mean sh*t and quite frankly, the win is more important.

Your blueberry found out he couldn't slay people. So instead he picked up a support kit, and healed and supported the team. He deserves those war points because he helped EVERYONE. At least he is trying to be helpful (and succeeding) rather than redline sniping or AFK'ing.

He probably even helped you a bit with those nanohives and reps and revives. So be thankful, not spiteful.

Lol you must be in a npc corps, because if you guys ever played pc you would understand the error in your ways.

Your name is Athena, for the goddess of wisdom, your pretty dim.

1. If you think that then fine but it doesn't make it true. Good for your corp, I'm sure your 2 extra grenades really change the battle and there's no way any of you would carelessly throw uplinks around...

2. Not your call to make. With all the scanners going off more equipment is better and I'll spend my SP how I want.

3. Says you. In my opinion afk leaches are pointless but they are much better to have on your team than feeders.

4. it's 10 for a resupply, 25 for triage, 25 for drop uplinks, 60 for injectors, 50 for kills, 100 for turret instalation kills and objective hacking, 50 for supply depot, CRU, and vehicle hacking, 150 for tank killing, 75 for dropship, and 40 for LAV's, possibly more for LLAV's don't remember, 35 for vehicle kill assist and guardian, 25 for kill assist and you get a 20% bonus for following squad leaders orders.

Learn to be a war point ***** like me and you'll be valuable to the team rather than one dimensional. Allotek hives and triage kick the crap out of drop uplinks when it comes down to WP and usefulness, especially when you have needling assault players on your team, such as every pub match ever.

5. 1st if you didn't die it wouldn't be possible to revive you so it's your fault. Secondly that's their choice to revive you and save the team a clone and you some isk, or if you want to be more negative about it ftake the risk into a deadly area in order to get some more war points.

Whatever the case, you died. You failed to survive. Why should you be able to punish those people who can cut your losses just because your KDR is touched. You want a great KDR grab a sniper rifle and hit the redline. And if it's a problem see my post about Allotek and triage hives again. They are probably the best things in the game currently.

6. No, this whole thing is because you don't have the knowledge, ability or skill to maximize your war point gain. Don't take it out on others for being useful. And if you think that there's no strategic value in deploying equipment then you're wrong.

I like the part when he says that it requires no skill.

I laughed a little.

I can't count the number of times I have spawned on or seen a very very VERY poorly placed uplink.

LOL, your whole thread is flame bait, OP. And getting more than a little tiresome. Admit defeat and move on, nobody buys in to your arguments.

It's not meant to be flame bait, bold what you take offense to and I'll try to make it read better for you.

Had a brilliant game 0/1 and 3000 SOMTHING WP.

Came in late in the game and started to putt down drop uplinks and hives on roofs/ bars any what're that the reds could not get to them easy. I hacked stuff and blow upp installations.

Went back and forth with my DP 10 to 12 times. The death was due to a ******** blue that took my ship and got instant blown upp and crashed on top of me. ( FIX THAT CCP FFS)

Any way I got hate mails from 3 blue after that game arguing I did nothing but farm WP. Fun part is that I did get 2 commending mails from the red team.

Ppl are just retards that belive it's al about the kill.

Oh we where loosing badly to the reds when I came into the game.

Side note 4 some resone I had to hack to get ppl to come down from the blodey roofs

But if we use our good injectors....then that's less triage points recieved when we rep ya #warprofitteering haha

And we have reached page 18...

Makes a thread.
Ignores all post except those few that share his view.
Is outed as a troll.
Calls everyone flamers to still come out as a winner.

Legit.

Well played?

Nonetheless, I'm going to do all of us a favor and start a new thread to hopefully get CCP logibro to settle the "bug" question once and for all. I'm sure he got tired of this TL;DR-rrhea about 8 pages ago and hasn't clarified.
I'm officially bailing out on this thread.

There is a lot of comments from both the logistics' side and the slayers' sides. My two cents:

You need both water and cold to make ice.

Arguing about which is more important seems kinda...silly.

In the new thread mentioned earlier, we have an official decree....



Logi-1, those who say this is a bug-0

This is tempered by the fact that they are looking to change something, but this is NOT a bug or exploit. Stop whining about it and just enjoy your ammo, triage, and 3 sec spawns right next to where you wanna be. I don't complain about you "stealing" my kills, you don't complain about me giving you the ammo to do it.