DUST Search - #1 players - 1 kill 15 deaths - all logi

Athena Sentinel wrote:

Skihids wrote:

Athena Sentinel wrote:

SirManBoy wrote:

John Demonsbane wrote:

Noticed the edit on the thread title. I think you might be overstating the quality of your "argument".

Dangit SMB, why did you feed this troll such juicy and easily misrepresented information? The OPs underdeveloped critical thinking skills were all but certain to take it and run like this. He even thinks your on his side!

Sorry, bro. Truthfully, I just want answers. The bug report seriously pissed me off because it's ridiculous to call creative, innovative play a "bug". Many logis have this function to thank for all of the amazing support possibilities that are currently available to them. Take this capability away and our class becomes far less dynamic and the game becomes less fun. Hell, removing our ability to move tons of equipment across the map to support our team goes against what the name of our class is predicated upon. WE ARE LOGISTICS!

The real fix it to have dropped equipment cost players isk then. If you drop a top end spawn you lose the isk equal to the cost of equipping it.

You have to see that having the ability to drop expensive equipment and then switch suits and not risking any lose for the equipment drops is unfair? Other have to risk and do good in combat to get the same points as a logi risking nothing.

There is PLENTY of risk!

A Logi is running around in a squishy expensive fit at or past the front line and will lose that it often enough to its serious ISK.
I personally lose enough fits supporting you that I could net more ISK running a BPO Assault suit.

You think only of the suit after the equipment is placed. You don't consider the danger and expense required to place it, as if I can spawn at the ground base and magically transport it to the front line without putting myself at risk.

Like I've told others before, try it yourself and see if it's as easy as you think before crying about it. It's easy to spout ignorant opinions, it's another to do the research.

The research is done and CCP says its a bug and logi players are exploiting it. So who is ignorant here?

Our suits require CPU and PG to run equipment. When you lose the suit your equipment should lose its remote power source and be disconnected like DRONES in EVE.. you leave and they go dead!

How about the ability to pick them up and move them? But still no switching suits bs....


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Skihids Bullet Cluster 2077	Posted - 2013.09.16 03:14:00 - [1] - Quote I am heartened by all the responses to this thread! It's nice to see that most folks understand that the Logi is sacrificing a lot to allow you to shoot people in the face. WPs are awarded for actions that contribute to a win and are a more complete measure of usefulness than KDR. The job is neither easy nor cheap. All that equipment requires ADV or Proto suits to carry and eat up so much CPU and PG that sacrifices are made in both offense and defense. We have to spend extended amounts of time at or past the front line to position all that equipment properly and often get caught and die in very expensive fits. I can go ISK negative even while earning 2k WPs. What do those WPs do for me? I cap out a little earlier that week. It gives me a bit bigger share of the ISK pie, but that comes from significant risk. What does that do for you? - It saves you suits - It saves you walking to he battle for half the match - It keeps up the pace of the game - It earns YOU more SK because more enemy material is destroyed The OP doesn't have a clue what the Logis job is like if he thinks a MLT hive or UL is going to be useful wherever he decides to toss them.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2082	Posted - 2013.09.16 03:57:00 - [2] - Quote If that "bug" gets fixed you'll end up walking to the front and supply depots because I'm not going to dedicate slots to uplinks and hives at the expense of offense and defense (due to the high fitting requirements) so that I have to go stand in the corner with my thumb in my ass to keep them and myself alive. I have to build an expensive and squishy suit in order to provide that equipment for you. I get only two highs filled with shield extenders rather than three because I need that CPU for equipment. I carry a MLT AR and do without a grenade to save the PG. So if you have it your way I deploy that equipment for your use and then hide In a corner for the rest of the match. Oh but I'll have to walk around so I don't get kicked from the match for AFKing and endure your crap talk bout being a useless blueberry hiding in the back and not contributing. Play your game and don't ***** about how others play, especially when thy are supporting YOU!
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2083	Posted - 2013.09.16 04:33:00 - [3] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: SirManBoy wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Noticed the edit on the thread title. I think you might be overstating the quality of your "argument". Dangit SMB, why did you feed this troll such juicy and easily misrepresented information? The OPs underdeveloped critical thinking skills were all but certain to take it and run like this. He even thinks your on his side! Sorry, bro. Truthfully, I just want answers. The bug report seriously pissed me off because it's ridiculous to call creative, innovative play a "bug". Many logis have this function to thank for all of the amazing support possibilities that are currently available to them. Take this capability away and our class becomes far less dynamic and the game becomes less fun. Hell, removing our ability to move tons of equipment across the map to support our team goes against what the name of our class is predicated upon. WE ARE LOGISTICS! The real fix it to have dropped equipment cost players isk then. If you drop a top end spawn you lose the isk equal to the cost of equipping it. You have to see that having the ability to drop expensive equipment and then switch suits and not risking any lose for the equipment drops is unfair? Other have to risk and do good in combat to get the same points as a logi risking nothing. There is PLENTY of risk! A Logi is running around in a squishy expensive fit at or past the front line and will lose that it often enough to lose serious ISK. I personally lose enough fits supporting you that I could net more ISK running a BPO Assault suit. You think only of the suit after the equipment is placed. You don't consider the danger and expense required to place it, as if I can spawn at the ground base and magically transport it to the front line without putting myself at risk. Like I've told others before, try it yourself and see if it's as easy as you think before crying about it. It's easy to spout ignorant opinions, it's another to do the research.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2083	Posted - 2013.09.16 04:45:00 - [4] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Skihids wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: SirManBoy wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Noticed the edit on the thread title. I think you might be overstating the quality of your "argument". Dangit SMB, why did you feed this troll such juicy and easily misrepresented information? The OPs underdeveloped critical thinking skills were all but certain to take it and run like this. He even thinks your on his side! Sorry, bro. Truthfully, I just want answers. The bug report seriously pissed me off because it's ridiculous to call creative, innovative play a "bug". Many logis have this function to thank for all of the amazing support possibilities that are currently available to them. Take this capability away and our class becomes far less dynamic and the game becomes less fun. Hell, removing our ability to move tons of equipment across the map to support our team goes against what the name of our class is predicated upon. WE ARE LOGISTICS! The real fix it to have dropped equipment cost players isk then. If you drop a top end spawn you lose the isk equal to the cost of equipping it. You have to see that having the ability to drop expensive equipment and then switch suits and not risking any lose for the equipment drops is unfair? Other have to risk and do good in combat to get the same points as a logi risking nothing. There is PLENTY of risk! A Logi is running around in a squishy expensive fit at or past the front line and will lose that it often enough to its serious ISK. I personally lose enough fits supporting you that I could net more ISK running a BPO Assault suit. You think only of the suit after the equipment is placed. You don't consider the danger and expense required to place it, as if I can spawn at the ground base and magically transport it to the front line without putting myself at risk. Like I've told others before, try it yourself and see if it's as easy as you think before crying about it. It's easy to spout ignorant opinions, it's another to do the research. The research is done and CCP says its a bug and logi players are exploiting it. So who is ignorant here? Our suits require CPU and PG to run equipment. When you lose the suit your equipment should lose its remote power source and be disconnected like DRONES in EVE.. you leave and they go dead! How about the ability to pick them up and move them? But still no switching suits bs.... You are ignorant of the cost and risk involved in placing expensive equipment.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2085	Posted - 2013.09.16 04:52:00 - [5] - Quote If you get this change pushed through don't come crying when you have to walk everywhere and carry your own hives. Nobody is going to dedicate slots and the huge CPU and PG cost to drop proto equipment for your use if it means by have to hide in he back the rest of the match because that fitting cost them offense and defense. You may get an occasional MLT UL or hive dropped in an awkward spot by an assault, but it won't last long or be very useful.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2085	Posted - 2013.09.16 04:58:00 - [6] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: You mean before you run back and switch suits at a supply depot - then your safe and just have to let the points roll in well you afk in the MCC or run around in a cheap noob suit LOL Yes, there is significant risk in the deployment. What's the title of this thread? 25 deaths? Is that supposed to be free? You act like I can deploy all that equipment in two minutes. Seriously, how quickly do you think I can swap out three suits and place all that equipment? That takes half the match, all spent in expensive squishy suits. Then I spend the second half in those same suits replacing expended and destroyed equipment. You are extremely ignorant if you think I can spend two minutes in danger and then retire for the rest of the match.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2085	Posted - 2013.09.16 05:04:00 - [7] - Quote straya fox wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: I am not pushing anything through.. I noticed the problem and there was already a CCP note about the bug and exploit - Your exploiting a bug and it will be fixed.. it is not some logi skill... You angry towards me is unwarranted. I did nothing to push anything. I sort of get what you are saying OP, I just found this thread funny because i never thought i would see a nerf the logi doing his role thread as opposed to nerf logi slayers, ar's, forges, mass drivers, tanks.... There is always someone concerned with how others play even when it doesn't affect them. The OP is offended that his play style isn't the be all and end all of DUST and he's bound and determined to o something about it.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2088	Posted - 2013.09.16 11:58:00 - [8] - Quote Mommy, mommy, Billy is getting too much recognition for helping me! That's what I'm hearing. A self entitled whine. CoD forbid anything try to dethrone KDR as the measure of all that is great! This is the result of featuring that cursed statistic as if DUST were trying to be the next CoD. Let folks see their own if hey want, but remove it from the team page. Replace it with ISK Destroyed/Saved/Lost. As long as KDR remains featured we will be beset by these cries to transform DUST into a cookie cutter FPS the likes of CoD. Make a clean break now.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2090	Posted - 2013.09.16 12:43:00 - [9] - Quote And you have to remember what type you dropped where when it comes time to replace expended and destroyed equipment. Yeah, there's some real logistics involved.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2091	Posted - 2013.09.16 14:37:00 - [10] - Quote It looks like you will get what you asked for, so I'll be leaving this discussion. I will enjoy all the tears in future threads when assault players cry about having to walk to the front line after they die. Or maybe I'll give rides in my dropship if that becomes viable in 1.5. Meanwhile I'll go back to my request to remove objective spawning.

Skihids Bullet Cluster 2095	Posted - 2013.09.16 16:32:00 - [11] - Quote CCP was talking about creating squad based uplinks. How do you feel about being able to create a "ban list" for your equipment? You could place mercs who clearly don't want your help on the list and said equipment wouldn't work for them. Extend that to using another color for their bars and dots on the radar so we can decide whether or not to rez or repair them.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2095	Posted - 2013.09.16 16:56:00 - [12] - Quote Al the destroyer wrote: Skihids wrote: CCP was talking about creating squad based uplinks. How do you feel about being able to create a "ban list" for your equipment? You could place mercs who clearly don't want your help on the list and said equipment wouldn't work for them. Extend that to using another color for their bars and dots on the radar so we can decide whether or not to rez or repair them. I love this idea then you could choose to use your tools on a teammate and not on a TOOL! This is the New Eden way, isn't it? It would also facilitate bounties by alerting you to the presence of your prey.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2104	Posted - 2013.09.17 05:05:00 - [13] - Quote I will adapt, and I will laugh when blues signal for a nanohive and I'm carrying uplinks, a rep tool, and a scanner. Maybe the new sign language should be holding out an uplink to suggest they requestor suicide and come back on your link with a full supply of ammo. What do you think?
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2115	Posted - 2013.09.18 02:41:00 - [14] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: TODDSTER024 wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Players are toping the charts with 1 kill and 15 deaths over players with 20 kills 0 deaths because they are dropping logi. If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it... Lame Quote: [BUG] Unlimited Equipment using Supply Depots - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=108231&find=unread Status: We're aware of this issue and it's on the backlog to be fixed Logibro - Your comments here do not match the above. Did you read this post? Since I play solo and join random teams at time I average $260k. My advanced fittings cost: 50,490 ISK. if I die 5 times, I'm loosing profit. But that doesn't stop me from using my good suits. Being an ACTUAL Logi is expensive, if I can't get ISK I'll be happy with SP. 50,490 for an advanced suit? Mine costs 33k, so I can run it all the time :D Then you aren't running the amount of proto equipment he is running. The good stuff is expensive. I have one ADV Min suit with three top of the line proto hives that runs 90k. I've also got a full BPO SEVR suit that I can play with, but it isn't nearly as effective.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2116	Posted - 2013.09.18 04:06:00 - [15] - Quote What I find stupefying is that people are complaining about how effectively we support them. This isn't a case of someone killing them too easily, it's a complaint that they don't want for ammo, a place to spawn, reps, and the like. No, they are willing to cut off their nose to spite their face because they see us as being unjustly rewarded for our effort to help them. Never mind that they are completely wrong about the effort and risk involved, it's the whiny self centered attitude that those who spend all match carting water for them shouldn't be so presumptuous as to out score them that gets to me. Ignorance I can forgive, but KDR snobbery is intentional stupidity. They have their precious statistic, but they can't leave it t that. They demand the lions share of the WPs as well.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2129	Posted - 2013.09.18 21:41:00 - [16] - Quote Sure. Post here if you agree.