As for the suicide revives, there isn't much you could do. Idiots with revives are in every game (BF3 comes to mind), and very few understand when to revive and when to let the clone die. I personally think that you should no points from revives until a set time after the revive, thus rewarding those who can revive and protect the revived clone.

My most-used Scout fitting is a Rep Tool and a Shotgun. Pair myself with a good mid-range blue, and I can keep them alive while the enemy is at a distance, then pull my own gun when someone gets too close.

Please tell me you main a Gallente Logi. It would make me so happy.

Can we get a specific description on what that separate issues is viewed as and what "fixes" are being contemplated for it?

The above 'bug report' and response is making me extremely wary, because it looks a bit like we're going to go through another cycle of "let's balance the whole game around the almighty kill" as if that is and should be the apex of all actions taken on the field or in the game. Treating game balance that way guts diversity and narrows the possibilities for player innovation, that's not much of a sandbox experience.

EVE has quite a bit of PvP going on, but even within the PvP not all of it is about pewpew, there's market PvP which plays a huge role in what happens and how, without diversity and meaningful roles outside of pewpew there wouldn't be event's like hulkageddon, there wouldn't be meta gaming to grab researched BPOs, there wouldn't be nearly as much value/motive to inhabiting w-space or deploying POS. How many EVE players focus on the Mining, Market and Indy/Production aspects of the game? Yes D514 is a different animal in some ways but reducing the possible number of play styles will not result in a higher player population or increased longevity for the game.

Right now depots allow unlimited refresh and resupply of weapons, and with a suit swap armor as well. In essence the depot gives limitless tank and gank when interacted with. It also currently allows the same effect for equipment, while still preventing any player from deploying more of a specific equipment time than is listed on that equipments profile. So at present there is a parity to how things work. Is CCP honestly considering making a change to how depots function so that the gank/tank element remains unlimited but the equipment aspect is throttled?
I certainly hope not because that doesn't appear to foster anything except a "kills are all that matters" attitude, players - on average - will do what is rewarded, thus rewarding one play style will 'flatten' the game overall.

Support play is already weaker in Dust than in EVE, and so far there is a total absence of any play types outside of the combat hot zones, yet somehow certain forum users still want those aspects which are not purely gank focused to be diminished even further which is 180 degrees the wrong direction to be headed in.

....and people wonder why "slayer-Logi" are a thing, it's because of this constant push to make slaying the best/only viable way to earn WP/ISK/SP, when that push is accepted by the community let alone acted upon by the Devs of course that's who every item on the market is viewed and employed. Also interesting to note that the Cal Assault can now get over 800 shield HP, on a suit with better shield recharge, but there hasn't been a tide of tears about how it's "obviously broken" etc.

When it comes to earnings, and to a lessor extent tactical performance, support play is weaker now than it was in Chrome, or CODEX (repair tool aside for CODEX), and yet every patch within Uprising sees another new wave of QQ demanding that support roles take another nerf bat to the face, usually while claiming that it isn't nerfing them at all

Okay, wall of text over, but seriously I want a response to this, what's the official stance here? And if any response you can give has to be 'off the record' then mail me in game, I know you know how and I wouldn't be allowed to post anything like that because doing so would violate the EULA.

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1. We don't need logi with the current system, my corp now just use militia Min logi suit, with militia drop spawn and nanohive. We run in drop the junk, back to depot switch to combat and we have our own logi support.

2. Logi suits are also a waste of time because there is no benefit to more SPU or PG or extra equipment slots, if I can do all this in a Assault or any suit and a supply depot. . We can have Assault suits and carry a equipment slot, drop, switch, drop...

3. Logi are pointless.

4. Really 20 spawn points no nanohives - let me guess, they make less SP.

5. Getting nanoinjected in combat to die before you can move so they can get their 60 SP before dieing themselves.

6. Current logi support does not require the skill it should to be #1. But with some changes to the bugs, it could!

1. If you think that then fine but it doesn't make it true. Good for your corp, I'm sure your 2 extra grenades really change the battle and there's no way any of you would carelessly throw uplinks around...

2. Not your call to make. With all the scanners going off more equipment is better and I'll spend my SP how I want.

3. Says you. In my opinion afk leaches are pointless but they are much better to have on your team than feeders.

4. it's 10 for a resupply, 25 for triage, 25 for drop uplinks, 60 for injectors, 50 for kills, 100 for turret instalation kills and objective hacking, 50 for supply depot, CRU, and vehicle hacking, 150 for tank killing, 75 for dropship, and 40 for LAV's, possibly more for LLAV's don't remember, 35 for vehicle kill assist and guardian, 25 for kill assist and you get a 20% bonus for following squad leaders orders.

Learn to be a war point ***** like me and you'll be valuable to the team rather than one dimensional. Allotek hives and triage kick the crap out of drop uplinks when it comes down to WP and usefulness, especially when you have needling assault players on your team, such as every pub match ever.

5. 1st if you didn't die it wouldn't be possible to revive you so it's your fault. Secondly that's their choice to revive you and save the team a clone and you some isk, or if you want to be more negative about it ftake the risk into a deadly area in order to get some more war points.

Whatever the case, you died. You failed to survive. Why should you be able to punish those people who can cut your losses just because your KDR is touched. You want a great KDR grab a sniper rifle and hit the redline. And if it's a problem see my post about Allotek and triage hives again. They are probably the best things in the game currently.

6. No, this whole thing is because you don't have the knowledge, ability or skill to maximize your war point gain. Don't take it out on others for being useful. And if you think that there's no strategic value in deploying equipment then you're wrong.

I like the part when he says that it requires no skill.

I laughed a little.

What skill does your spawn point require? If you drop it and change suits to a starter suit. Your gaining SP with no isk risk.

Get my drift?

I can't count the number of times I have spawned on or seen a very very VERY poorly placed uplink.

stop reading at #2. Post is flame bait, moving on.

stop reading at #2. Post is flame bait, moving on.

LOL, your whole thread is flame bait, OP. And getting more than a little tiresome. Admit defeat and move on, nobody buys in to your arguments.

Players are toping the charts with 1 kill and 15 deaths over players with 20 kills 0 deaths because they are dropping logi.

If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol

it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it...

Lame



Logibro - Your comments here do not match the above. Did you read this post?

It's not meant to be flame bait, bold what you take offense to and I'll try to make it read better for you.

1. We don't need logi with the current system, my corp now just use militia Min logi suit, with militia drop spawn and nanohive. We run in drop the junk, back to depot switch to combat and we have our own logi support. As others learn of this and exploit the bug more logi trying to play it as a actual style will lose out to exploiters who drop and switch back to combat, which is already happening.

2. Logi suits are also a waste of time because there is no benefit to more CPU or PG or extra equipment slots, if I can do all this in a Assault or any suit and a supply depot. . We can have Assault suits and carry a equipment slot, drop, switch, drop... Yes the unlimted equipment drop abiliy gimps may of the positive feature of a Logi suit. Another reason in the long run that logi will lose out.

3. Logi are pointless. Their abilities can be used by other suits with no negative effect do to the unlimited equipment bug currently

4. Really 20 spawn points no nanohives - let me guess, they make less SP. If you don't see.. or can't admit? The spawn point drops are crazy right now.. So many I can't see space between them on my map. Not much thought into droping it just drop fast to switch suits to drop, drop, drop... If you don't notice this your not playing Dust or flaming me.

5. Getting nanoinjected in combat to die before you can move so they can get their 60 SP before dieing themselves.

6. Current logi support does not require the skill it should to be #1. But with some changes to the bugs, it could! Simply it does not require the skill or risk it should to be #1 vs players risking seriously to get 23-5, not to mention the skill difference it requires for this.

7. Its, not my fault and if it is my fault make it my responsibility to allow a revive. Unless I call out don let them inject me or something. Current system supports and promotes bad nanoinjecting skills, if any due to this issue.

Had a brilliant game 0/1 and 3000 SOMTHING WP.

Came in late in the game and started to putt down drop uplinks and hives on roofs/ bars any what're that the reds could not get to them easy. I hacked stuff and blow upp installations.

Went back and forth with my DP 10 to 12 times. The death was due to a ******** blue that took my ship and got instant blown upp and crashed on top of me. ( FIX THAT CCP FFS)

Any way I got hate mails from 3 blue after that game arguing I did nothing but farm WP. Fun part is that I did get 2 commending mails from the red team.

Ppl are just retards that belive it's al about the kill.

Oh we where loosing badly to the reds when I came into the game.

Side note 4 some resone I had to hack to get ppl to come down from the blodey roofs

In this long flame filled thread.. There is some people proving my point (like the above). Exploiting the game bugs is getting bad.. please fix it 1.5

I have a logi-buddy that I work with in my corp when I'm running Assault. We'll find a place, usually behind heavy cover (large wall) with more than one escape route. He'll drop the mixed hives (rep+ammo) and I'll drop the Triage nanohives. Someone need only run behind cover and they're armor is back to full in less than five seconds. Max downtime is maybe ten if they need ammo badly.

We can take a six man squad and with both he and I defending those nanohives - he'll sometimes use an active scanner as well - we can turn tides. There's been dozens of times I've seen people run back with nearly no armor or even no armor at all and come back in ship fighting shape.

Not to pat ourselves on the back but those nanohives can make a world of difference and we don't even switch out at the supply depot, just tactical placement.