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Goon ReGnUM
Goonfeet Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.09.16 12:46:00 -
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The Logi role is arguably the easiest role in Dust 514. The ability to just throw equipment down and passively farm WP is just pathetic, and is clearly scene with the abundance of Logi players in Pubs.
The idea that you can be number one in WP and not kill is completely absurd for a FPS.
Anyways, I'd still easily take 1 Slayer over 10 Logis in PC any day. |
J Lav
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
211
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Posted - 2013.09.16 12:48:00 -
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You cannot devalue other styles of play, but the most valuable player knows how to do many things. Here are a couple of examples from recent games.
1. I came in 2nd on the leaderboard, 1-6. My squad mates went 27-3, 23-4. Why? It might have something to do with them not having to go looking for nanohives, them not dying and maintaining an aggressive front. Maybe it had something to do with knowing where the enemy was, or that they could focus on killing when I'm hacking twice as fast. My unbalanced KDR FACILITATED 50 kills.
2. My team was off the objective, we were stalemated in domination and could not cap that objective on the bridge. Recognizing the power of the enemy team was largely due to their spawn locations and a steady overwatch by forges, I brought in my logistics LAV and ran disruption, preventing the team from being able to reinforce the objective, and forcing the forges to shoot at me. At the same time, I'd drop nanohives into the core of the group and rep some people while repairing my vehicle on cool down times. There was a stark difference in how the game went from that point on and we came back from almost nothing left on our MCC to winning the battle.
Logis know how to facilitate their team, and at times will sacrifice themselves for victory. Don't be petty and whine about getting paid more for getting kills, since you may have done so as a result of their hard work. |
Beeeees
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
226
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Posted - 2013.09.16 12:52:00 -
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Goon ReGnUM wrote:The Logi role is arguably the easiest role in Dust 514. The ability to just throw equipment down and passively farm WP is just pathetic, and is clearly scene with the abundance of Logi players in Pubs.
The idea that you can be number one in WP and not kill is completely absurd for a FPS.
Anyways, I'd still easily take 1 Slayer over 10 Logis in PC any day.
You just mad cos Im stylin on you. |
Goon ReGnUM
Goonfeet Top Men.
39
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Posted - 2013.09.16 12:54:00 -
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J Lav wrote:You cannot devalue other styles of play, but the most valuable player knows how to do many things. Here are a couple of examples from recent games.
1. I came in 2nd on the leaderboard, 1-6. My squad mates went 27-3, 23-4. Why? It might have something to do with them not having to go looking for nanohives, them not dying and maintaining an aggressive front. Maybe it had something to do with knowing where the enemy was, or that they could focus on killing when I'm hacking twice as fast. My unbalanced KDR FACILITATED 50 kills.
2. My team was off the objective, we were stalemated in domination and could not cap that objective on the bridge. Recognizing the power of the enemy team was largely due to their spawn locations and a steady overwatch by forges, I brought in my logistics LAV and ran disruption, preventing the team from being able to reinforce the objective, and forcing the forges to shoot at me. At the same time, I'd drop nanohives into the core of the group and rep some people while repairing my vehicle on cool down times. There was a stark difference in how the game went from that point on and we came back from almost nothing left on our MCC to winning the battle.
Logis know how to facilitate their team, and at times will sacrifice themselves for victory. Don't be petty and whine about getting paid more for getting kills, since you may have done so as a result of their hard work.
So you're saying that the Mighty and All Powerful LOGI, guided my aim and hit the target? or did do all the aiming for me?
Don't get full of yourself Logi SCUM all you do is throw down equipment... IE hold down R3 and Tap R1.
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Beeeees
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.09.16 12:58:00 -
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Goon ReGnUM wrote:
Don't get full of yourself Logi SCUM all you do is throw down equipment... IE hold down R3 and Tap R1.
All you do is press L1 and then R1. And sometimes you even skip the first part.
2 can play that game, buddy. |
Goon ReGnUM
Goonfeet Top Men.
39
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Posted - 2013.09.16 12:58:00 -
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Beeeees wrote:Goon ReGnUM wrote:The Logi role is arguably the easiest role in Dust 514. The ability to just throw equipment down and passively farm WP is just pathetic, and is clearly scene with the abundance of Logi players in Pubs.
The idea that you can be number one in WP and not kill is completely absurd for a FPS.
Anyways, I'd still easily take 1 Slayer over 10 Logis in PC any day. You just mad cos Im stylin on you.
Sorry brahhhh, but you got it all wrong. I actually do a useful job on the battlefield. Its called killing. Anyways, I'm so good at it that games only seem to last 3-4 minutes. Therefore, you LogiSCUM don't have time to farm easy WP; making me #1. |
Goon ReGnUM
Goonfeet Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.09.16 13:01:00 -
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Beeeees wrote:Goon ReGnUM wrote:
Don't get full of yourself Logi SCUM all you do is throw down equipment... IE hold down R3 and Tap R1.
All you do is press L1 and then R1. And sometimes you even skip the first part. 2 can play that game, buddy.
I'm sorry, are you actually seriously trying argue that Slayer role takes as much skill as the Logi role.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH |
Beeeees
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
226
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Posted - 2013.09.16 13:02:00 -
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Goon ReGnUM wrote:
Sorry brahhhh, but you got it all wrong. I actually do a useful job on the battlefield. Its called killing. Anyways, I'm so good at it that games only seem to last 3-4 minutes. Therefore, you LogiSCUM don't have time to farm easy WP; making me #1.
Im yet to see you in a match. And anyone from your corp really. |
Goon ReGnUM
Goonfeet Top Men.
39
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Posted - 2013.09.16 13:04:00 -
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Beeeees wrote:Goon ReGnUM wrote:
Sorry brahhhh, but you got it all wrong. I actually do a useful job on the battlefield. Its called killing. Anyways, I'm so good at it that games only seem to last 3-4 minutes. Therefore, you LogiSCUM don't have time to farm easy WP; making me #1.
Im yet to see you in a match. And anyone from your corp really.
Attack us in PC, you will see me
Better yet if you own land in PC you will be seeing me very soon. |
Xaviah Reaper
Savage Arms INC
14
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Posted - 2013.09.16 13:10:00 -
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this is because the logi has to put up with 1 kill 15 deaths ... its fair. quit bitchin
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Meknow Intaki
Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo
27
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Posted - 2013.09.16 13:55:00 -
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What you don't see is that those 15 deaths could cost a logi up to 3 mill isk a round..
Most wp I've got in a round running logi is about 4000 |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
2938
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Posted - 2013.09.16 14:25:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Athena Sentinel wrote:Athena Sentinel wrote:Players are toping the charts with 1 kill and 15 deaths over players with 20 kills 0 deaths because they are dropping logi.
If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol
it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it...
Lame [BUG] Unlimited Equipment using Supply Depots - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=108231&find=unreadStatus: We're aware of this issue and it's on the backlog to be fixed Thank you Logibro for fixing this bug ! LOL That's a separate issue. Yes, you shouldn't be able to spam an unlimited amount of equipment, but a logibro using their equipment efficiently should and can still make a massive difference and is capable of racking up an impressive number of war points.
I have a logi-buddy that I work with in my corp when I'm running Assault. We'll find a place, usually behind heavy cover (large wall) with more than one escape route. He'll drop the mixed hives (rep+ammo) and I'll drop the Triage nanohives. Someone need only run behind cover and they're armor is back to full in less than five seconds. Max downtime is maybe ten if they need ammo badly.
We can take a six man squad and with both he and I defending those nanohives - he'll sometimes use an active scanner as well - we can turn tides. There's been dozens of times I've seen people run back with nearly no armor or even no armor at all and come back in ship fighting shape.
Not to pat ourselves on the back but those nanohives can make a world of difference and we don't even switch out at the supply depot, just tactical placement. |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
2091
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Posted - 2013.09.16 14:37:00 -
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It looks like you will get what you asked for, so I'll be leaving this discussion.
I will enjoy all the tears in future threads when assault players cry about having to walk to the front line after they die.
Or maybe I'll give rides in my dropship if that becomes viable in 1.5.
Meanwhile I'll go back to my request to remove objective spawning. |
DJINN MUSTARD
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2013.09.16 14:40:00 -
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Skihids wrote:And you have to remember what type you dropped where when it comes time to replace expended and destroyed equipment.
Yeah, there's some real logistics involved. I have a system that WORKS! ABCD....... The alphabet song! |
Rolf The Viking
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2013.09.16 14:40:00 -
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I usually have a positive KDR but i finish the match in first, often by 1000+ WP. I'm good at my job as a logi, what can I say?
I could have a better KDR (and do on an alt) but I'm ok playing unselfishly and running around a 2.20. It makes me happy to help others and I love trolling the enemy by filling the heavy back up that they thought they could finish off.
I start off every match sprinting to the objectives to drop a spawn point or two (Rolf Airlines)
Next I change my suit to a slower but fully equipped logi and rep/refil/revive until the cows come home!
Don't hate on logibros, be glad we're there. |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
2939
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Posted - 2013.09.16 14:45:00 -
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Rolf The Viking wrote:I usually have a positive KDR but i finish the match in first, often by 1000+ WP. I'm good at my job as a logi, what can I say? I could have a better KDR (and do on an alt) but I'm ok playing unselfishly and running around a 2.20. It makes me happy to help others and I love trolling the enemy by filling the heavy back up that they thought they could finish off. I start off every match sprinting to the objectives to drop a spawn point or two (Rolf Airlines) Next I change my suit to a slower but fully equipped logi and rep/refil/revive until the cows come home! Don't hate on logibros, be glad we're there.
Agree'd. True, non-combat oriented logibros are hard to come by now-a-days. Nanite Injectors are few and far between and worse yet are the strategic placement of nanohives/drop uplinks. |
RKKR
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
381
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Posted - 2013.09.16 14:51:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote: That's a separate issue. Yes, you shouldn't be able to spam an unlimited amount of equipment, but a logibro using their equipment efficiently should and can still make a massive difference and is capable of racking up an impressive number of war points.
And what does our CCP LogiBro mean by unlimited amount of equipment?
Unlimited amount of equipment should be able to cover the whole map, I give away all my ISK to the first Logi that can cover the whole top of their MCC. |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
628
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Posted - 2013.09.16 15:00:00 -
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I never encountered such a bug.
All droppable gear have:
Max Active: X
Max Carried: X
I guess a glitch would bypass those limits.
Things have always worked as intented for me. If you go over your maximum limit for one particular gear, the previous ones in excess will dissapear. |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
628
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Posted - 2013.09.16 15:06:00 -
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Anarchide wrote:No skills?! Try to top the chart getting those scores the logi way then (pics of it, please). Getting those scores takes a lot of work actually. You have to constantly evaluate the battlefield, adjusting strategies and make the best use of your gear. You get WP because people use your stuff, you know? So, you must be making some good use of it, no?! I get high WP because I'm bringing up non-stop support in the entire game length. One does not simply get high SP while sitting on his/her arse. ...and eh!... Being a logi is expensive... ISK and SP wise. Just try; you'll see. (I have a really bad K/DR, but I manage to pull this once! Suck it up OP! ) As stated previously and by many players; Go out there and give it a try. It may shed a light about what you're talking about, OP. |
SirManBoy
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
244
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Posted - 2013.09.16 15:08:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Athena Sentinel wrote:Athena Sentinel wrote:Players are toping the charts with 1 kill and 15 deaths over players with 20 kills 0 deaths because they are dropping logi.
If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol
it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it...
Lame [BUG] Unlimited Equipment using Supply Depots - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=108231&find=unreadStatus: We're aware of this issue and it's on the backlog to be fixed Thank you Logibro for fixing this bug ! LOL That's a separate issue. Yes, you shouldn't be able to spam an unlimited amount of equipment, but a logibro using their equipment efficiently should and can still make a massive difference and is capable of racking up an impressive number of war points.
Why not, CCP Logibro? If I can make the runs, switch suits, and deploy tons of equipment for the benefit of my team, why shouldn't I be rewarded for it? Besides, what incentive will there be for me to buy all of the different uplinks and hives in the marketplace if you take this capability away? For instance, several of the proto uplinks and nanohives are completely indiscernible from one another other than their name. If I can't deploy all of these on the field at the same time, then what's the point of having them in the game? You really need to reconsider this. |
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postmanclark2
Seraphim Initiative..
22
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Posted - 2013.09.16 15:11:00 -
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OP, your an idiot. Has it occurred to you that those nanohives, nanite injectors and conveniently spawned drop links keep you alive?
Good logis can make a team.
If you can't get enough kills / kill assists to outscore logis, get a gun game. |
Absolute Idiom II
No Free Pass
713
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Posted - 2013.09.16 15:21:00 -
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Anarchide wrote:I never encountered such a bug.
All droppable gear have:
Max Active: X
Max Carried: X
I guess a glitch would bypass those limits.
Things have always worked as intented for me. If you go over your maximum limit for one particular gear, the previous ones in excess will dissapear.
The 'glitch' in question is that the limits apply only to each specific type of equipment. So if you carry STD, ADV and PRO uplinks you can drop 1x STD, 2x ADV and 3x PROTO for a total of 6x uplinks in play.
Personally, I think that's fine use of the sandbox. |
Gh0st C0de
Spirit Collective
30
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Posted - 2013.09.16 15:27:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:KDR is not the be-all, end-all of shooters. KDR is important in Crawl On Dookie, which has created this mono dimensional mindset that people get into. It isn't always a Logi thing either... Today, I had a 2/38/9 match with my HMG. Top of my team's board. (38 assists, FFS) That UplinkHackScout that put you in position to win deserves just as much credit as anyone else on the team, even if he never pulled the trigger. That AVer that took out the HAV that had your team pinned down, probably went negative trying to clear your exit.
Pew pew pew gets boring, fast. No matter the win margin or length of epeen stroke.
UplinkHackScout appreciates your appreciation.
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Piraten Hovnoret
No Tax Scrubs
64
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Posted - 2013.09.16 15:30:00 -
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Goon ReGnUM wrote:The Logi role is arguably the easiest role in Dust 514. The ability to just throw equipment down and passively farm WP is just pathetic, and is clearly scene with the abundance of Logi players in Pubs.
The idea that you can be number one in WP and not kill is completely absurd for a FPS.
Anyways, I'd still easily take 1 Slayer over 10 Logis in PC any day.
LOL one more AR maffia, believing al that that don't use AR is OP or EASY.
As so many stated, your assault play don't cost any close to a fully spec logi. Not even saying what al the droppships we loose to your militia FURGE GUN cost.
I tryed your play and to get 20-3 or similar with a AR is EASY BRO even if I only have like 1 Miljon sp into assult. Try that with only 1 million into logi gear.
So go and hide under a rock and play with your scrub AA believing you are a slayer.
Oh almost forgot if you assult guys would be better at your job, my uplinks would not generate WP. |
Al the destroyer
The Phoenix Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.09.16 15:38:00 -
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Anarchide wrote:I never encountered such a bug.
All droppable gear have:
Max Active: X
Max Carried: X
I guess a glitch would bypass those limits.
Things have always worked as intented for me. If you go over your maximum limit for one particular gear, the previous ones in excess will dissapear. Agreed this has always been the case for me. I have many fits utilizing all of the drop uplinks if I change at an ammo depo its because I am using different uplinks. I can understand why someone who only worries about kills would not have the mental capacity to comprehend this!! If you hate logis make sure to let your team know so no one will help you. Chances are you can win the match by yourself anyways!!:) |
Goon ReGnUM
Goonfeet Top Men.
40
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Posted - 2013.09.16 15:42:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Goon ReGnUM wrote:The Logi role is arguably the easiest role in Dust 514. The ability to just throw equipment down and passively farm WP is just pathetic, and is clearly scene with the abundance of Logi players in Pubs.
The idea that you can be number one in WP and not kill is completely absurd for a FPS.
Anyways, I'd still easily take 1 Slayer over 10 Logis in PC any day. LOL one more AR maffia, believing al that that don't use AR is OP or EASY. As so many stated, your assault play don't cost any close to a fully spec logi. Not even saying what al the droppships we loose to your militia FURGE GUN cost. I tryed your play and to get 20-3 or similar with a AR is EASY BRO even if I only have like 1 Miljon sp into assult. Try that with only 1 million into logi gear. So go and hide under a rock and play with your scrub AA believing you are a slayer. Oh almost forgot if you assult guys would be better at your job, my uplinks would not generate WP.
^ A bad Logi pathetically defending his easymode behavior, by attacking the roles that actually win games for them.
Bottom line: A team only of slayers will destroy a team of only Logi
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Jak'Saan
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
57
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Posted - 2013.09.16 15:43:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:A blueberry actually complaining about logis doing their jobs? *facepalm*
this.
Op can only complain if he never used one of said nanohives or uplinks. Otherwise, even if you accidentally walked over one, dude made your game easier... you should be thanking him!
A logi being support????? this is crazy... I say drop the nerf hammer on this guy! Logi's should only be frontline!!!! gosh... |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
630
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Posted - 2013.09.16 15:51:00 -
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Goon ReGnUM wrote:[...] Bottom line: A team only of slayers will destroy a team of only Logi
No, because Logis are brighter. They adapt and act depending on what happens on the battlefield... and they overcome what is thrown at them. BECAUSE THEY ARE LOGIS!!! |
Jak'Saan
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
58
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Posted - 2013.09.16 15:51:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:As a dedicated logibro (no, the name isn't just for show) this is not unusual for me to come close to the top or even top the leaderboard as a logistics with less kills than other people. Keep in mind that a kill is +50wp, while a revive is +60wp with additional triage points while you rep them back to full health. Then throw in resupplys or team spawns. And to think it's only going to get better when we add in points for scanning targets that then get killed. The Logibro life is a good life.
Woot! Now as soon as you fix my scout suit, I'll be stealthy AND a valuable asset to my squad! |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
630
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Posted - 2013.09.16 15:52:00 -
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LOGIS, UNITE!!!
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