So you traded in the Caladri Assault bonus from 25% reload speed to 10% better shield extenders? That is a max bonus of 28 extra shields in a proto suit that runs 4 complex shield extenders. Most likely in normal (Proto) use that means 14-21 extra shields.

So you took the worse Assault suit bonus and made it even worse!!! WTF!

Lets choose which would you rather have a Galante suit that gets 25% CPU/PG reduction to hybrid weapons or 7 extra hp per complex shield extender.

I just add this to your list of stupid ideas.

so, do we apply for this respec the same way we did for the last? submit a ticket?

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Shotgun scouts are a huge hard counter to logis.

Shotgun Scouts vs Logi? HAHAHAHAHAHA

Gal Logi is probably the closest thing to a trade off in terms of SURVIVABILITY only. At proto level your assault role bonus gives you an extra +28.75 shield HP/S after bonus and skills. The logi would get the 18.75 HP/S shield HP/s from max skills, and then +5 HP/s from native armor reps for 23.75 HP/s for non-module passive reps.

So base regen on Gal assault > base regen on logi by +5 or almost a free complex armor mod, or an enhanced shield recharger. So the delta on the regen bonus between them is roughly 1 free slot. The extra base HP also amounts to about 1 enhanced shield or basic armor mod with max skills. So it's as if base stats and max skills gives the assault roughly a +2 slot tanking advantage.

The gal logi equipment bonus means you basically get 4 equipment for the price of 3. However the weapon fittings bonus for assault is a greater 'per slot' fittings bonus than the equipment bonus (unless you fit all proto equipment - which you couldn't while calling yourself an assault).

The most role efficient fit for gal assault would be AR or SG & SMG + best active tank/eHP combo.

The close range gal logi would be 1) slower by a bit 2) have less shield/armor regen 3) have a bit slower shield delay. It could make up for this with healing hives (an advanced equipment slot cutting into fitting room for tank).

Shotgun scouts are a huge hard counter to logis.

This is why so many people think it's a mistake to release this game on a console, because console players are not familiar with a development process like this. Just because the game is "released" doesn't mean it is finished, like most console games you see. Unlike those other games, CCP will constantly be changing and adding things to this to improve the game, just like they do in EVE. I guess you can say EVE is still in beta by that definition.

And who cares about "per slot"?
What's important is in the end hiw well your suit works, 4 slots who get -25% vs one slot that gets -25%.

You do realize that only two Logi suits get 4 equipment, right? And you are using the one with a bonus to make fitting equipment easier.


.3 is huge, that is the difference between getting behind cover and dieing. Also, since (base) sprint speed is based off of walking speed, that makes your sprint speed less too.

I flip between MinLogi and GalLogi and that 'tiny' speed difference is what keeps me alive as a MinLogi, and why I stack reppers and shields on GalLogi.


That's only because the GalAss suit bonus isn't as useful with 2-3 weapons that make use of it *right now*. You have better survivability because of the extra low slot and the 5hp/s regen. Other Logis don't have the benefit of running great equipment and decent tank (or vice versa).

Also the GalAss bonus actually drops the CPU for hybrid weapons by 40%/55% with all skills, and ARs and PCs are both very CPU intensive. This reduced requirement makes it easier to fit more tank.

Also, Cat Merc, your fitting isn't the only way to fit a GalLogi suit, so just because you think that your fitting is OP with respect to other suits, doesn't that Logis are all OP. If you didn't fit any equipment (or just 1 like an assault suit) you wouldn't be as useful on the field as a comparable assault suit. That equipment is what up for the difference.

*sigh*

4 slots who's average fitting cost is 25% less than weapons each get -25% fitting reduction (that's like a -12% cost really per module). Also the gallente bonus applies to hybrid weapons (which will eventually have a side-arm) so it would apply to 2 slots. But nobody plays for the long game, do they? It amounts to about the same in total fitting savings (like i said, unless you equip ADV and/or PRO in all equipment slots on the logi.

However I don't think you could convince me that you could fit a full rack of proto equipment on the gal-logi and have this same mythical performance as an assault logi.

You should be giving repecs to the people who have chosen "Caldari Logi" as it is unfair on us now. We are not the ones who made the mistake by choosing Caldari Logi as we saw the benfits from using it. You are the ones to blame for making the suit so OP. So you should give us a respec as the Caldari logi suit is now trash for us AR users

So?
In the end it's about the same, neither have an advantage in that regard.

These changes are intended to alleviate some of the current issues with the Logistics suits, but theyGÇÖre still not getting us where we want to be with the suits. A technical issue is currently preventing us from authoring suit bonuses that alter equipment functionality. When this is solved weGÇÖll be giving Logistics suits the bonuses they need to make their role truly shine

I run Cal Logi, and I'm happy that they're discouraging frontline play with it. I'm even more excited for bonuses that encourage support play. Maybe a bonus to repair tool efficiency or PG/CPU requirement for the repair tool for Ammar and Gallente, a nanite injector PG/CPU requirement bonus on Minmartar, and a bonus to nanohive clusters for Caldari Logi? (as the penny pinchers they are, they'll squeeze as much out of a weapon as possible)

Copy/pasted from my post on the LogiCode thread:
Overall, the tweaks are all better than nothing, but a 25% shield regulator effectiveness bonus, combined with how broken current shield recharge mechanics are, are going to leave the CalLogi as still the OP fit for the immediate future at least. Triple complex extenders already give you ~73% recharge delay time reduction including stacking penalties, 73*1.25 = ~91% recharge delay reduction. Even with the (tiny) recharge delay nerf, a 3-regulator proto CalLogi will start regenerating, regardless of whether it's been shot in the mean time, every 0.5(not depleted) to 0.8(depleted) seconds. Combine this with a shield energizer (+60% regen rate, -6% base shielding) and you've got basically 30+ hp/s passive shield regen.

Am I missing something, mechanics wise? Would it not be as ridiculous as I'm describing?

I play as C Assault and I really don't want this bonus switch. Hybrid wep reload bonus is essential to battlefield survivability. It decreases time when assault is defenceless and vulnerable, also it is very important to increase DPS.
On the other hand, when I play proto ds I use complex sh extenders and in every fit I have over 450 shield points (or over 550 with 4 complex), and I don't need more. From my point of view sh extender bonus is completely useless and in fact is major nerf to cald assault.
So, dear CCP, why you "repair" thing that work just fine as they are today?
Please reconsider your decision and leave cald assault unchanged.

Pretty sure you're wrong.

With three complex shield regulators (and accounting for the new skill bonus and the new recharge delays), the delay you would get is 1.85/2.96 seconds.

If you were to put a complex shield energizer in one of the highs, your EHP would only be 616 HP. Pretty easy kill if you catch this logi out of cover.

With 5 extenders your EHP jumps to 700 HP, but using 3 complex regulators means your equipment/grenades will suffer (assuming you want a proto weapon).

So with level 5 regs (10%) and level 5 cal log (25%) your standard reg will be doing 13.5% and a complex reg will do 34%. But they also crazy nerfed out recharge delay.

Essentially the change just removed the extender bonus and gave cal logis nothing in return. It sucks but its not the end of world, the other logis have worthless bonuses too so it just evens it all out.

I will say this too...

All these changes really do is ensure caldari logis cannot and will not run proto equipment. There's no way we can afford it now when running complex modules is taking up every last shread of CPU/PG.

Something needs to be done about the price of proto equipment for logis.. atm its impossible to fit it.

Give us a Logi 'k.1 variant with only a sidearm and a 50% reduction to equipment or something... atm im looking at my nanocirc 5 and my proto nanohives and i'm starting to feel like it was a wasted investment... there is absolutely no way I can fit proto equipment without giving up every single low slot I have to CPU/PG modules.

FWIW: I've already downgraded to a GEK in order to fit proto uplinks and quantum adv nanos.