0.3 less speed.
0.3.
Is that really that big of deal?
Because I never, EVER, had a situation where an extra 0.3 would save my life.

And while yes a sidearm is useful, but it's a fallback, most of the time your assault rifle does the job well enough.
Out of 5 rounds I only needed my SMG once, and I had the time to reload if I really wanted to.

As I said, all your downsides are too small to compare to the HUGE advantage having 3+ equipment slots give you.

Don't sound much on paper but in the field the extra speed can make or break. It also gets amplified by +5% from Dropsuit Biotics and whatever Kin Cats you're running.

When running shotguns speed becomes paramount. Need to close distance ASAP, being faster both reduces the time they have to shoot you in and their accuracy in doing so. Makes escape from many situations much more feasible.

Scrambler Pistol as sidearm also extends your range when doing this, opens up more options. Also a fallback for those embarrassing moments where you only hit 1 in 6 shots. Totally not ineptitude, it's the work of those Houdini Bullets they've been plying us with, true as truth.

I expect you to be less effective at everything else in exchange for that.
Instead, you are just as effective at everything else while still having more power as support.
So in the end, assault is a pointless suit.

0.3 is nothing.
If it was 1m/s or 2m/s then I would say "fair enough", but 0.3?

Gallente suits getting no love hahaha. Proof that Caldari is superior in every way. Caldari FTW!

I can't really explain the disadvantages to being a logi unless I show you. It doesn't look that noticeable on the stats screen, but assaults have a huge advantage, despite being underpowered in the bonus department.

Edit: Shotgun scouts are a huge hard counter to logis.

In pubs maybe not. but in a 1v1 situation between an assault and logi with two players that are halfway skilled at fps... it makes a world of difference.

Not to mention the sidearm.

In 1v1 CQC, two equally skilled players... the assault will win almost every time.

HAHAHAHAHAHA
Shptgun Scouts vs Logi?
You joking?
I never died to a shotgun scout once in my logi fit, heck I had times when I was swarmed by 3 and I could still dodge them because the speed difference is nothing.

HAHAHAHAHAHA
Shptgun Scouts vs Logi?
You joking?
I never died to a shotgun scout once in my logi fit, heck I had times when I was swarmed by 3 and I could still dodge them because the speed difference is nothing.

I might be thinking mainly from a MD point of view.

Assaults generally have 20% more base HP while having 30% less fitting. At max skills a Proto Caldari Logi has +87 CPU and +22.5 PG over assault. Other logi suits come out a little more ahead on CPU or PG.

If you look at average fitting requirements for equipment modules...

Avg STD/MLT equipment CPU/PG: 32/6 (x3) = 96/18
Avg ADV equipment CPU/PG: 45/8 (x3) = 135/24

Given that the assault suit has greater base HP, and a sidearm, any logi that tries to fill his equipment slots AND go assault spec, they will have to have an eHP that is worse than an assault now, not have a sidearm, and not have a role with a bonus that relates to damage.

The alternative is to take advantage of the fitting flexibility to go for the extra eHP on a logi suit and forget the equipment slots. The only candidate for this would be the Caldari suit, which has +1H/+1L. With it's suit bonus, base HP, its 4 shield slots will have more HP than 5 full shields for the logi.

The minmatar logi wouldn't use the -1H/+1L for armor plate due to a speed penalty and the PG/CPU sacrifice in fittings.

The amarr logi is a new candidate for a battle logi. However if fit for max eHP, it would be too slow, or if fit for max repair rate, wouldn't have the competitive >700 eHP and still have the fitting space for good damage (proto weapons/grenade). The amarr assault would still be a better candidate, but it's playstyle is more defensive and medium range anyway.

The gallente logi would obviously be able to up-equip its equipment with its fittings bonus. However, its weapon fitting reduction on the assault would free up its slots to have the best survivable close range armor/dps combination vs. the amarr armor assault.

In all honestly, you're probably a crappy enough player, that it won't really matter if you respec or not. Just roll with it. You'll still be able to fit flaylock......hell...maybe even two on that reworked logi suit. Contact grenades too!

Nope.
0.3 speed is nothing.
I say again, IT'S NOTHING.
I never, ever, EVER, had a time when I needed an extra 0.3 speed, even at a 1v1 I could strafe just as well.

Honestly, and I don't mean this as an insult at all.

but..

If you aren't noticing the 0.3 m/s difference its because the skill parity between you and your opponent is too great.

Maybe it won't mean anything once hit detection is fixed but until then it makes a world of difference when going up against skilled players in PC. Every 1v1 in PC i've done has almost always ended up with both us unloading a full clip of our light weapon, and then the assault switches to sidearm and finishes me off. My only defense atm is fused locus grenades, as sad as that is.

So my Gal Logi suit with a buch of equipment and better survivability than my assault suit is a lie?

So you traded in the Caladri Assault bonus from 25% reload speed to 10% better shield extenders? That is a max bonus of 28 extra shields in a proto suit that runs 4 complex shield extenders. Most likely in normal (Proto) use that means 14-21 extra shields.

So you took the worse Assault suit bonus and made it even worse!!! WTF!

Lets choose which would you rather have a Galante suit that gets 25% CPU/PG reduction to hybrid weapons or 7 extra hp per complex shield extender.

I just add this to your list of stupid ideas.

I expect you to be less effective at everything else in exchange for that.
Instead, you are just as effective at everything else while still having more power as support.
So in the end, assault is a pointless suit.

0.3 is nothing.
If it was 1m/s or 2m/s then I would say "fair enough", but 0.3?

So my Gal Logi suit with a buch of equipment and better survivability than my assault suit is a lie?

So 1 thing.... 1.3 is just 1 thing, at this rate, I might see real fixes by 2015, when I wont be playing dust....

Getting tired of playing this game only to have millions of SP invalidated by 'balancing'. Some of us don't have the time to play this game all day every day and have to spend our SP intelligently. Unfortunately CCP continues to fail at creating a balanced well programmed game and punishes the casuals.

Admittedly, logistics weren't exactly role specific and doubled effectively as assault, making this a good change, but to call this the commercial release and still be making changes like this . . . yeah, we're out of beta alright. This should have happened before the SP reallocation. I hope another one is offered later, when this game is finally solid.



No, next time a game is developed keep it in beta until its actually worthy of a commercial release. Making money off a game like this is borderline criminal.

You should be giving repecs to the people who have chosen "Caldari Logi" as it is unfair on us now. We are not the ones who made the mistake by choosing Caldari Logi as we saw the benfits from using it. You are the ones to blame for making the suit so OP. So you should give us a respec as the Caldari logi suit is now trash for us AR users