I better get the SP I spent on my current logi suit back because you're changing a lot.

Logistics do need higher survivability, if the point of a Logi is to provide support while the squad defends might as well remove the nanite injector since once your squad dies its useless, and by extension the Logi is useless. We cannot provide support if we cannot stay alive, besides if the Logi is nerfed to where his survival depends on the squad then a squad of assaults don't really need a logi if they all synchronize with different equipment, for example a squad of 6 assaults 2 with repair tools 2 with injectors and the other two with whatever they want completely eliminates the need to defend a Logi suit and allows for more DPS in the field; but if the Logi is self sufficient and can defend himself then he is an essential team member not a burden. Also the scout is severely UP.

Why did the minmatar logi did not get any modification??? It is also used as an assault.

I said it before just keep nerfing everything until we can't do any damage to anyone or anything. The other logis need it a buff to keep up with the battlefield war, but anyways.

You sould seek a job with ccp shanghai you woul fit right in the game needs more mlg players like you


LOL 798 kills kd 0.78 this conversation is over

Wanna know a good way to get Logis to perform their intended role? Make equipment actually accessible.

Seriously... you want us to play support? Make it so we can fit proto equipment without having to use up 40% of our CPU/PG to get there.

I'm really starting to wonder now... is there even a reason that equipment should have CPU/PG requirements? They are self contained devices... why are they using up my fitting anyways?

If my choice is to run a complex shield extender and a basic needle or a proto needle and a basic shield extender... you can guess which one im gonna choose.

So, will these new equipment related bonus replace our current bonuses, or will we be getting both? I mean, it's kind of unfair to the players to allow them to spec into a suits that fit one-playstyle, and then say "nope, you have to play like this now "

Would you at least consider refunding SP spent on specializations? Amarr Logi btw, not Cal

Changes in Logistics dropsuits are coming in Uprising 1.3 to move Logistics dropsuits back to their intended role.

In this new dev blog from CCP Remnant we detail all the changes that are coming. Read on.

The Cal logi suit is expected and not uncalled for. The Amarr suit buffs are very nearly what I've been suggesting personally so no complaints there the overall trend towards removing even more eHP from Logi suits in "upcoming updates" rather than fixing the weak Assault suit bonuses concerns me more than a little. Non-'slayer' logi already have trouble surviving while actively doing their job and no amount of equipment buff is going to change that (longer range on the repair too may be a mild exception to that statement but nothing to write home about. A substantial buff to injector range could help greatly and if that's coming then the race which gets it will be more protected.

Two more fundamental flaws with equipment based skills for logi [list=1]

Equipment WP scaling is still broken (until this is fixed most buffs to equipment will actually nerf earnings for support logi by lowering their overall potential. If the new WP system is rolled out with these updates then this won't be a problem, until then it is.

Constrains player choice - I'm not talking about trying to play "slayer" here, I'm talking about how many types of equipment there are to support with and how if you bind each race to one type you artificially force players into builds with those specific types. In addition to making innovation more difficult by constraining equipment loadouts, a problem that will only get worse as more equipment is added to the game, you also make fittings more transparent on the battlefield weakening tactical options. Logi being yellow is one thing, logi being yellow and everyone knowing that X race equals Y equipment is something else again. Don't like footholds? Target the "uplink" logi, in a protracted firefight or trying to take out an entrenched position? Target the repair and revive logi. Want to be a 'slayer' in a logi suit? Proto the nanohive logi and run a core flaylock

Further there has been no counter balance the Logi suits gain to compensate for the nerf. Prior to these changes the two suits base stats were balanced when fittings were included. I spent a lot of time on the forums asking anyone to construct a Logi suit that was more powerful than an Assault suit of the same race after bringing the logi up match the on board values of the assault. The net result of the few fittings I ever saw (mostly constructed by myself or some of the folks in the shields vs armor balance thread) is that logi suits prior to the change would cost more in SP and ISK than an assault suit doing the same thing and would pay extra on top of that in the cases where they might be able to exceed the assault.

The racial skill buffs were a problem, mostly the Cal suit bonus and the buffs for the assault suits generally but those require skill reworks not role wide suit nerfs. So, what has been added role wide to compensate for the nerfs that are now creating an imbalance within the medium frames (or is the plan to never fix the racial skills and use the suit changes to counter that? ).

Ok I'm leaving this here because it's already long, but in short the current changes seem generally called for/positive but the described/intended balance presented in the Dev Blog seems to be ignoring the feedback forums and several key longstanding balance aspects. CCP needs to seriously reconsider this course and I hope there is someone on the CPM who understands playing support logi well enough to keep this problem at the forefront of discussion regarding suit balance.

My 0.02 ISK,

Sincerely,
Been playing support Logi since closed beta

Plz understand EVERYTHING that can be abused will be abused.

they might aswell remove the assault suit! everything the assault suit can do the logi can do better. and unfortunatly this will still be true after 1.3

Does nobody see that this GÇ£fixGÇ¥ to the Caldari logi isn't really a fix at all?

Moving the efficacy bonus of extenders to the assault class will just make the Caldari assault OP.

The problem before was that the Caldari assaults could not take down their logistics counterparts when going one-on-one with them. I wasn't very fair when logi's were running around with 1100 hp, 670 of it coming from fast regen shields.

Who knows, this may all just be to make room for the future Caldari heavies and their crazy shields.

I'm mad at you CCP. I wish you'd stop changing the game so much, ninja updates included

Your numbers are WAY off base.

An assault equiped with the exact same setup as a Cal Logi is only 87 EHP less, with higher base stats, likely better weapon as well.

Again, run a Logi and get jumped while you are doing your job and see how quick that extra HP disappears.