I run Cal Logi, and I'm happy that they're discouraging frontline play with it. I'm even more excited for bonuses that encourage support play. Maybe a bonus to repair tool efficiency or PG/CPU requirement for the repair tool for Ammar and Gallente, a nanite injector PG/CPU requirement bonus on Minmartar, and a bonus to nanohive clusters for Caldari Logi? (as the penny pinchers they are, they'll squeeze as much out of a weapon as possible)

Abloo bloo abloo bloo bloooo. This thread is making my day. Let me reiterate.

Logistics - one who heals, revives, supplies and supports.

Assault - one who kills.


How are you so butthurt that your role now works as intended? The only way you are whining this hard was by taking advantage of a faulty bonus that should never have made it past playtesting.

You want rage? Try being Gallente in EVE or DUST. Armour tanking is notoriously bad, underpowered and overlooked. EVE blasters/rainguns have been the laughing stock of the game for over 3 years and have just recently been fixed.

DUST has been "live" for a little under 3 months. Try wasting 4 years waiting for some attention. If you are this hurt then I HOPE you leave and come back. Go back to Halo or CoD or whatever FPS with an iWin button. The communtiy does not need you or want you. Have a super day!

who the **** are you?? ill do everyone a favor and call out bs when i see it! if you are a logi i would argue that you are biased.
if not i dont know what your excuse is...

Again just wait and see! this nerf is a joke! you will still be able to rolfstomp assaults

You sould seek a job with ccp shanghai you woul fit right in the game needs more mlg players like you


LOL 798 kills kd 0.78 this conversation is over

The problem before was that the Caldari assaults could not take down their logistics counterparts when going one-on-one with them. I wasn't very fair when logi's were running around with 1100 hp, 670 of it coming from fast regen shields.

Who knows, this may all just be to make room for the future Caldari heavies and their crazy shields.

your total war points: 87.657...
win/lose ratio : 1.25...

would say that if you did a good job you would have a better w/L ratio.
your warpoints is just meeehhh when you paint a picture of a ultra logi who helps the team like a boss!

im happy you have a nice job and famly but you private life has nothing to do with dust 514, dont use that as an excuse to suck.

you make it sound like if your win/lose ratio is high you are not a team player and if your k/d is above 1 you suck and are a cod player who needs to understand this is not cod...

im will draw a parralel to leauge of legends here!

Do you think it would be to most played game in the world if they ballenced everything acording to casual and noob player opinions?

what is ballenced in your hands might be extreamly op or even up in a top tier players hand!

really strong argument! : leave it to the players themself to balance the suits!

and how you fit your suit is aperantly relevent to this post aswell

i wasent sarcastic! calling me stupid is also a strong arguement!

and then you proceed to argue that you can balence with isk and sp.. that worked reall well in eve! im looking at you Titans

Here is my unwanted comments.
To CCP all I ask is that you please at least spit first next time.

Everyone who claims that people using caldari logi as a "flavor of the month" would you please let me in on your ways of gaining SP.
I cap every week and use boosters yet it has taken me much longer than a month to get the sp required for a proto suit. I won't even go into the SP spent in the shields that have been jacked around. I still do not have my equipment's past advanced.
So once more I'm asking please how have any of you gained the sp needed to use this class as a flavor of the month.
Far as the changes coming our way I want to give all players a heads up because Caldari logi will now have a much harder time running through fire to revive. Also please don't get angry with use if we do not repair you as flux grenades are dropping close by.

Caldari Logi Sniping here I come!! can't wait

Oh no! Fewer you say?

I havent got reps or revives regularly since chromosome! What i HAVE got from logi suits has been a plethora of killscreen action, usually in the form of ck.0/mk.0/ak.0 and duvolle/core flaylock. Also FOTM refers to spreadsheet nerds using respec to build uber suits on paper...basically what this game is all about.

But here'sthe the rub: the injector brokeness shaped the way new players learned the game. Now that injectors work again, perhaps more will choose equipment over primary more often...even more so when logi bonuses are NOT oriented to tank/gank. Perhaps vast increases to rep/rez radius will debunk the myth that logistics need enough tank to rescue teammates in the middle of a live fire zone...or bunnyhop around the map with a core flaylock going 26/1.

But you logi slayer feel free to keep it up. After all, CCP has already done their worst, right?

The Caldari Logi, even now, has no less HP than any other logi suit, save for a slowed down armor tanked suit.

The new bonus means that you'll be out of the action for less time when shields are damaged/depleted.

The new bonus did not devalue *any* of the sp you already spent. Extenders are still necessary and still valuable.

Flux grenades make shield tankers run, explosive grenades make armor tankers dead, for they don't have the shield to absorb it.

The CPU reduction does make fitting a bit tighter, but holy f***ing s**t that's not even what you're complaining about.

Seriously. The "wahh wahh my +25% shield HP over every other suit (aside from heavies - though they could still outshield-stack them)" is getting really old. It's a meritless argument because with 5 highs and 4 lows, the Caldar Logi is still and extremely flexible frame, made even more so by it's multitude of equipment slots. This change did not make the logi useless, and if you needed all that extra shield hp to make it out of situations alive, what you need to do is to stop running into the middle of the enemy team.

It all boils down to, "do people care that they help their team".

I've played with too many stupid snipers who think that KDR is everything. You couldn't convince someone otherwise if they get this in their head.

If you look however just at the WP that a lot of equipment gives...

+25 wp for healing someone as little as 25% of their health. So you could health someone for 200 wp or more, and basically save thier life 2x over, denying the enemy team 100 wp, potentially getting guardian points in the process.

+25 triage point from nanohives lets you kind of passively be generating wp while you are off doing something else.

+10 points from ammo resupply. When you are filling grenades, you will only be getting about +30-+50 points per hive, but if its other ammo you can be giving people/per resupply, at least enough ammo to kill multiply enemies. So you are contributing to the death of others with nanohives. Also, if slayers carry their own nanohives for their own use, in a way if they use it selfishly, they are denying their team valuable wp.

Additionally, well executed revives only help the team as well.

+25 points for a strategic team spawn means that those players wont have to traverse dangerous terrain.

All of these points are extremely valuable and their services from a dedicated support player are really only valuable to the team. As long as there is a huge chunk of players playing solo, the logibro will be undervalued.

OMG, seriously the QQ ing is giving me a headache already! You simply have not lost enough to be complaining so much.

"Oh no, I now might have to make small sacrifices in one area to fit the things I need in another like everyone else! Oh, the humanity!"

Everyone else in every other logi class, including us god-forsaken (until now, thankfully) amarr logis, have been making this sacrifice all along! So you will have to forgive us if we don't understand the horrific fate that has befallen you now.

There simply should not be a single suit that makes you able to perform essentially any role with proto level gear and modules in every slot, with no trade-offs whatsoever needed, and thats what this suit currently is. You can cram literally everything and anything you want in it without wasting a single slot with something that isn't proto level. No other suit can do that. You know what that is? The definition of unbalanced, that's what it is.

Get some perspective, people. The Amarr suit was literally broken and nearly unusable. Go ahead and try to make a highly survivable minmatar logi suit, or an amarr logi that can carry a lot of equipment and adapt to multiple conditions easily with the current numbers. I dare you! Nothing is perfect, but this is a step in the right direction. Take a step back, think about how good you still have it, and remember that these are temporary fixes. Sheesh!