Actually I rarely fight, I heal people. Check my warpoints, you don't get that from killing. So in hindsight im getting nerfed because?

Dude you are just pissed because they made it so you cant tank it that well any more and turn it into a assault suit im glad they nerfed it because people like you made this game bad because you are not letting people who get assault suits win fights

The Dev blog says the shield recharge delay would be changed to 5 seconds, but it was changed to 6 seconds for the Cal Logi

THIS!

Dev blog says shield recharge delay rates for Caldari logi should be 5/8, not 6/8. Please fix this ASAP.

whether or not that's the case with that one player, you can bet the house on the fact that there are tons of players whose complaint will be 100% because of that...

good call...

Wow. Thanks for crippling my logi suit Ccp. I run a logi as a logi not an assault. It seems now I cannot fit my proto repair tool and nanohives. Oh and my sheilds are like ricepaper. This is how you reward loyal customers? Simply put if your going to cripple my suit, at least give me the option to respec. If I recall I spent more so to get into this suit, now it seems not worth it. I lost like 200+ shield for a darn regulator bonus.

Cross, don't you think its a sort of zero sum game at this point. Any gank/dps/slayer bonus you add to assaults makes everyone less survivable? So aren't we just left with trying to facilitate logistics racial 'synergy' with general play styles of slayers?

I'm wondering if what CCP is saying that they are doing now is giving everything a:

Racial specialization bonus-suit bonus-and role bonus?

Check my "Nanohive Alchemy" post and give some feedback there if you would please. I think one last thing that armor tanking is really missing it the evolution of its meta; is ALOT more healing nanohives on the field. Assaults should be running around with a mix of allotek hives, and other ammo hives, and I've found that it really buffs my team to have triage hives around, not to mention it is fairly risk free point gain.

I'm predicting a come back of the laser rifle, soon, and a nerf to the flaylock will mean a much healthier margin for armor tankers. In addition we will start to see the remaining weapons trickle in. The rail weapons will fill out, which will also mean some more challenges for armor tanks, they will also likely be the smarter weapons for armor tankers to equip with some of the best precision for longer range attacks.

Also with the addition of the plasma and laser heavy weapons, the anti-shield stand-off weapons will finally come into play. The plasma heavy weapon will probably be the most deadly weapon out there. The availability of a wide range of side-arms, especially the hybrid rail variants, will very likely mean that a lot of assaults will effectively have two light weapons.

I just don't know if I'd push that much harder for balance until we get all the weapons that are out there. And even then, people have to skill in to them, the community then has to learn the counters and things then have to settle down.

To an extent I agree that there is a zero sum gaming going on here, where that breaks down however is that we're not in a binary system where resources (in this case dps vs eHP) are divided between two competing 'parties'. There are multiple suits, even more when races are considered and still more when diverse fittings are accounted for. With this level of flex it is important to maintain as much baseline stability as possible so that player choice maintains relevance, altering mechanics in such a way that an entire role and thus all races and fits within it, is completely incapable of doing something is quite frankly a very heavy handed way to go about things. Even the heavy frame now has an option to carry equipment, granted it's only one and there are trade-offs but it promotes flex.

In the case of, broadly speaking, "Assault dps vs Logi survival" I think there should indeed be balance but that balance is best found by looking at the zero sum case of eHP vs DPS in the wider view of class roles. The zero sum says 'if A is attacking B then 10 more damage from A is equal to 10 less starting HP for B" but it fails to account for the wider situation. Logi and Assaults should be combat balance in a general sense, but a Logi should not be as effective a 'slayer' as an Assault leading to the conclusion that Assaults should have more 'gank' while Logi suits should emphasize 'tank' (all statements made within the context of comparing medium frames).

If CCP is adding another layer "Racial specialization bonus-suit bonus-and role bonus" then that would be a better solution. It allows a lot more flex for balance than replacing the current buffs with equipment specific ones. It would still have to overcome the constraining of fits to a race such that mercs can on sight read the likely fits of a player but that aside it's a much more effective solution.

I'll check out your thread thanks for the heads up on that.

Cheers,
Cross

To an extent I agree that there is a zero sum gaming going on here, where that breaks down however is that we're not in a binary system where resources (in this case dps vs eHP) are divided between two competing 'parties'. There are multiple suits, even more when races are considered and still more when diverse fittings are accounted for. With this level of flex it is important to maintain as much baseline stability as possible so that player choice maintains relevance, altering mechanics in such a way that an entire role and thus all races and fits within it, is completely incapable of doing something is quite frankly a very heavy handed way to go about things. Even the heavy frame now has an option to carry equipment, granted it's only one and there are trade-offs but it promotes flex.

In the case of, broadly speaking, "Assault dps vs Logi survival" I think there should indeed be balance but that balance is best found by looking at the zero sum case of eHP vs DPS in the wider view of class roles. The zero sum says 'if A is attacking B then 10 more damage from A is equal to 10 less starting HP for B" but it fails to account for the wider situation. Logi and Assaults should be combat balance in a general sense, but a Logi should not be as effective a 'slayer' as an Assault leading to the conclusion that Assaults should have more 'gank' while Logi suits should emphasize 'tank' (all statements made within the context of comparing medium frames).

If CCP is adding another layer "Racial specialization bonus-suit bonus-and role bonus" then that would be a better solution. It allows a lot more flex for balance than replacing the current buffs with equipment specific ones. It would still have to overcome the constraining of fits to a race such that mercs can on sight read the likely fits of a player but that aside it's a much more effective solution.

I'll check out your thread thanks for the heads up on that.

Cheers,
Cross

What gives you the right to take everything away from cal logi and give us nothing in return.

The players give them that right.

That EULA.

Let assault suits win fights? Lmao, dude , leave uninstall never play again, any fps please.

Just pull out your trump card and stop playing when destiny, cod ghosts or bf4 drops like the rest of us, beats the hell out of EULAS everytime.

I see alot of QQing about being nerfed-

I happen to know for a fact that most ( not all) logi/cal/assault did not spec heavily into drop-suit engineering or electronics and were able to shield tank- I dont think 40 CPU is so much when there are so many other skills designed to lower CPU and PG usage-

I will admit- I feel sorry for the Logibros that were actual Cal logis and preferred to " heal over kill." to you guys I say sorry. I say if your going to be mad at anyone- be mad at your former suit brothers abusers-

However, I will say this- a former corpmate put things in perspective - war far is about finding the "one up " and finding the exploit - I say to the Cal logi assault, you did good and you found a great exploit- but now it has been dealt with -

That same corpmate also said- "Dust, like Eve, is about adaptation"

SO TO THE CAL LOGI I SAY "ITS TIME TO ADAPT" -

The CPU nerf was too much. Shoulda just been the bonus. Cal logis are too one dimensional now. You can generally be sure they either have no armor or no equipment. The End.

Tell that to the CaLogi I was in squad with last night. She had a GEK, hives, needle, and (I think) a flux repper. Not sure what level regulators she was using, but she pretty much started recharging shields under fire. The problem with all CaLogis is that they were spoiled with the large CPU pool. Now you guys have to pick and choose what to fit just like everyone else.

It has been days since 1.3 dropped, but I still haven't seen a dev address the problem with the Caldari logi shield recharge delay rates. Either it was misreported in the dev blog (not likely), or a fix is necessary.

Is it really unlikely, or do you just want it to be?

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