Again, you are missing the point. The point being there were other, better ways to fix the Logiassault players. Yet the fix they chose is one that will discourage Logi's from even being the support they are designed.

So because someone PLANS their build, vs just specing into it blindly, you think that is FOTM? Sorry if you just jump in feet first, but when some of us spend millions of SP on suits, we want our builds to be right. Especially since there is no respecs and making an alt starts back @ 500k SP.

I love the fact you think it's myth we need the 87 EHP more to rep/rez... please do enlighten us to the facts then since you have obviously played the role much more?

Also since you brought up bunnyhopping, please do tell me a list of other suits that do not do it? Heavies are about the only ones unable to do so.

Again, in case you missed the point...

There were better solutions to fixing the assault Logi's than what was done. Instead of breaking the only balanced suit, they chose to break it as well as further break the assault version.

It all boils down to, "do people care that they help their team".

I've played with too many stupid snipers who think that KDR is everything. You couldn't convince someone otherwise if they get this in their head.

If you look however just at the WP that a lot of equipment gives...

+25 wp for healing someone as little as 25% of their health. So you could health someone for 200 wp or more, and basically save thier life 2x over, denying the enemy team 100 wp, potentially getting guardian points in the process.

+25 triage point from nanohives lets you kind of passively be generating wp while you are off doing something else.

+10 points from ammo resupply. When you are filling grenades, you will only be getting about +30-+50 points per hive, but if its other ammo you can be giving people/per resupply, at least enough ammo to kill multiply enemies. So you are contributing to the death of others with nanohives. Also, if slayers carry their own nanohives for their own use, in a way if they use it selfishly, they are denying their team valuable wp.

Additionally, well executed revives only help the team as well.

+25 points for a strategic team spawn means that those players wont have to traverse dangerous terrain.

All of these points are extremely valuable and their services from a dedicated support player are really only valuable to the team. As long as there is a huge chunk of players playing solo, the logibro will be undervalued.

OMG, seriously the QQ ing is giving me a headache already! You simply have not lost enough to be complaining so much.

"Oh no, I now might have to make small sacrifices in one area to fit the things I need in another like everyone else! Oh, the humanity!"

Everyone else in every other logi class, including us god-forsaken (until now, thankfully) amarr logis, have been making this sacrifice all along! So you will have to forgive us if we don't understand the horrific fate that has befallen you now.

There simply should not be a single suit that makes you able to perform essentially any role with proto level gear and modules in every slot, with no trade-offs whatsoever needed, and thats what this suit currently is. You can cram literally everything and anything you want in it without wasting a single slot with something that isn't proto level. No other suit can do that. You know what that is? The definition of unbalanced, that's what it is.

Get some perspective, people. The Amarr suit was literally broken and nearly unusable. Go ahead and try to make a highly survivable minmatar logi suit, or an amarr logi that can carry a lot of equipment and adapt to multiple conditions easily with the current numbers. I dare you! Nothing is perfect, but this is a step in the right direction. Take a step back, think about how good you still have it, and remember that these are temporary fixes. Sheesh!

Heres the problem, CCP and the CPM are constantly making changes to accomodate the group crying the loudest, in this instance is no diffrent. The number 1 and 2 players by kills are both Caldari Logis. Is it any wonder that people have found a dominant combonation of both suit and weapon? In some situations certain suits will always be dominant. The greater issue here to me is CCP changing the structural attributes and foundational base of the suits which I speced into based on those particular points. Obviously it was the superior suit which is why I choose it. I spent 100 dollars on an elite pack for Aur so that I could by boosters toget SP faster to spec into something that you offered now you are taking that product away without offering any type of respec? I think that you will find we first person shooters are a bit more intolerant of these changes than your average space nerd might be, if you want the loyalty of the average fps we want consistency and not to have a dominant combo we discover yanked because of those who QQ do so loudly. What happened to "You war your way?" My Caldari Logi didn't come with instructions on how to use it, I see that Ccp doesn't want us to be creative in a persistent universe they want rote drones that play the game the way they want it played, nevermind to your creative whims petty dust bunnies. Let me know how long that lasts... These cry babies don't want balance they want fair, and they think that there should always be a fair chance of getting the kill like in COD. If balance means equal then why have diffrent suits, just make them all the same.

Your suit has 9 slots and the potential to get the highest EHP in the game because of a game breaking racial bonus. Even after this nerf re-balance, you still have 9 slots and the highest EHP out of all the logis. Just be glad all of us logis didn't get restricted to sidearms because of a group of tryhards and a bunch of bandwagon jumpers. I defended logistics suits for almost 3 months while the CaLogi got abused like a preteen boy in a monastery. I have no sympathy for anyone that abused the suit because you knew what you were getting into.

Problem with your statement is you are trying to tell us how to use a logi suit. Its our game shouldnt we get to decide?

Personally, I don't care if you throw pink lipstick on your CaLogi and give AFKers an old fashioned ever battle, do what you want with the suit. My point is that you're complaining about a change made to a suit that has been announced, giving you plenty of time to adjust accordingly.

Personally, I don't care if you throw pink lipstick on your CaLogi and give AFKers an old fashioned ever battle, do what you want with the suit. My point is that you're complaining about a change made to a suit that has been announced, giving you plenty of time to adjust accordingly.

Cosgar, your exactly right-

The realty of it is that a caldari logi can still tank and be an attack/logi if they merely spec into other areas particularly areas that lower the CPU's,s and PG's of an item and or gear-

for example, if you lower the cpu's and pg's on the AR( because thats what i notice most guys use) you potentiall have the chance to reduce your AR's by 30% + thats more than enough CPU to continue tanking as an ATTACK logo

For example- You can tank level 5 electronics-

For example- you can use a GEK instead of a duvolle -

There are multiple ways to continue being an attack logo- CCP's move only forces you to "skill into it" like the rest of use logi's

Problem with your statement is you are trying to tell us how to use a logi suit. Its our game shouldnt we get to decide?

Good job CCP. New game mode please. "Privet match" game mode. For practice perpises. Thank you.

To those of the mentality that a Logi shouldn't carry an advanced/proto weapon - please tell me why the Amarr Logi has access to a sidearm? After all, Logis shouldn't be killing, just healing/resupplying, right? Unless your sidearm shoots nanite darts, there's no point in having one!

=> If' you chooe CalLogi you were probably trying to be proto and be Overpowered in 95%.
The advanced suits in logi are equal juste equal.
Other suits in Logi proto HAVE 7 SLOTS WITHOUT CPU/PG Upgrade so you just have been being NORMAAAAAAAL.

So shut the f*ck up we all of us are like you will be or even downpowered.....

You're still powerful,still more powerful than other logi so now just keep your mouth shut Callogis.
Because of you all logis have been close to be only sidearms and because of you we've been nerf in Shield Delay. *

Seriously Calogi just stay quiet stop complaining don't ask respec because you deserve what happen.

LogiLAV => Caldari is also....
Seriously Logistics and Caldary is like Oil and water it just does'nt works fine.

anything CCP ?