The problem with your statement is you fail at seeing past your nose. The Logi suit is intended for support, they unintentionally made it more suitable for offense over the offensive oriented suit which rendered the assault useless. It's a balance for game design and structure.

It's called "the big picture".

Just a small update. It seems we were missing the new CPU and PG values for all the tiers of the Caldari and Amarr Logistics suits. The Dev Blog now has all the values, and I've posted them below

Bumped up Amarr Logistics PG: 3 at STD (up to 36 from 33), 4 at ADV (up to 50 from 46) and 6 at PRO (up to 72 from 66)

Lower Caldari Logistics CPU: 20 at STD (down to 175 from 195), 28 at ADV (down to 245 from 273) and 40 at PRO (down to 350 from 390)

Just a small update. It seems we were missing the new CPU and PG values for all the tiers of the Caldari and Amarr Logistics suits. The Dev Blog now has all the values, and I've posted them below

Bumped up Amarr Logistics PG: 3 at STD (up to 36 from 33), 4 at ADV (up to 50 from 46) and 6 at PRO (up to 72 from 66)

Lower Caldari Logistics CPU: 20 at STD (down to 175 from 195), 28 at ADV (down to 245 from 273) and 40 at PRO (down to 350 from 390)

Cry More

Just a small update. It seems we were missing the new CPU and PG values for all the tiers of the Caldari and Amarr Logistics suits. The Dev Blog now has all the values, and I've posted them below

Bumped up Amarr Logistics PG: 3 at STD (up to 36 from 33), 4 at ADV (up to 50 from 46) and 6 at PRO (up to 72 from 66)

Lower Caldari Logistics CPU: 20 at STD (down to 175 from 195), 28 at ADV (down to 245 from 273) and 40 at PRO (down to 350 from 390)

I have been pointing out the 40 CPU nerf at proto forever and just now people start paying attention to it. SMFH.

CCP Logibro, please explain to me the "balance" instituted by nerfing the CPU on the Cal Logi Standard and Advanced suits. As I have stated in multiple posts, this nerf will now require Cal Logis at Advanced level to have about 700k & 1 mil more SP in fitting skills compared to equivalently equipped/tanked Minmatar and Gallente logis, all to "fix" abuse at the Proto level.

Please, leave the Standard and Advanced Cal Logi's CPU alone.

I have been pointing out the 40 CPU nerf at proto forever and just now people start paying attention to it. SMFH.

CCP Logibro, please explain to me the "balance" instituted by nerfing the CPU on the Cal Logi Standard and Advanced suits. As I have stated in multiple posts, this nerf will now require Cal Logis at Advanced level to have about 700k & 1 mil more SP in fitting skills compared to equivalently equipped/tanked Minmatar and Gallente logis, all to "fix" abuse at the Proto level.

Please, leave the Standard and Advanced Cal Logi's CPU alone.

Just a small update. It seems we were missing the new CPU and PG values for all the tiers of the Caldari and Amarr Logistics suits. The Dev Blog now has all the values, and I've posted them below

Bumped up Amarr Logistics PG: 3 at STD (up to 36 from 33), 4 at ADV (up to 50 from 46) and 6 at PRO (up to 72 from 66)

Lower Caldari Logistics CPU: 20 at STD (down to 175 from 195), 28 at ADV (down to 245 from 273) and 40 at PRO (down to 350 from 390)

40 CPU at proto? Have you decided whether or not you're giving our SP spent on this suit back? The answer is directly related to whether or not I play this or FFXIV ARR.

I only agree [with respecs] if the changes /significantly/ disrupt the core of what something is.

In the case of what's coming in 1.3, I'm not convinced a respec is necessary. It's a pretty bad habit to get into to cater to premature and unncessessary community pressure. I'm not against respecs as a whole, but balance changes happen. Now that they're happning much more often, so will the demand for respecs as people try to bounce from FOTM thing to FOTM thing.

Honestly, I'd rather see them not offer any more respecs until they get the full suit lineup out (and/or do one more final pass on the skill system to replace the bonuses that make no damn sense), because the people who are in the position of "I don't want to use smelly amarr stuff but that's all that's there for heavies" at least have a legitimate argument for wanting to change.


It's not about punishing the players, but the game becomes very dull if every single patch people are taking a respec to get themselves into whatever is 'the best' at the time. I'll admit, this kind of balancing stuff should've been happening during the beta, and CCP completely squandered a year and a couple months they could've been using to make balance changes frequently in order to find a proper balance amongst the content.

However, I do think that my fellow players need to wake up and smell the self-entitlement that is rife on the forums with requests like this. Especially in this case, people massively overreacting and claiming that their SP in Caldari logi is useless, is far,far,far from the truth. If CCP would listen to us on the CPM and actually tell you what they told us about logi suits in the future (HINT HINT, GAME DESIGN) You guy would mostly be as satisfied with the changes as I am.

No more respecs. Ever. These sorts of whines are not going to bring them back, I'm sorry.

If you genuinely really think your meta-gaming tactic of whining/threatening to quit will work, then I think you need to re-adjust your mindset. Rebalancing off all items will continue to occur; and minor adjustments like the above do not require CCP to enable people to respec instantly to the next FOTM.

Just a small update. It seems we were missing the new CPU and PG values for all the tiers of the Caldari and Amarr Logistics suits. The Dev Blog now has all the values, and I've posted them below

Bumped up Amarr Logistics PG: 3 at STD (up to 36 from 33), 4 at ADV (up to 50 from 46) and 6 at PRO (up to 72 from 66)

Lower Caldari Logistics CPU: 20 at STD (down to 175 from 195), 28 at ADV (down to 245 from 273) and 40 at PRO (down to 350 from 390)

Minor adjustments? I don't think you've read them all. The 40 CPU reduction alone is a major hit. That's 50 CPU with 5/5 in Electronics, and more with CPU-increasing modules. So basically on any suit you have now it's the equivalent of removing a module slot....and that's just one of the changes.

I honestly don't care if they give the SP back. I don't get much enjoyment from the game anymore anyway...just saying if they don't, then the decision to stay or not is a lot easier for me.

If you genuinely really think your meta-gaming tactic of whining/threatening to quit will work, then I think you need to re-adjust your mindset. Rebalancing off all items will continue to occur; and minor adjustments like the above do not require CCP to enable people to respec instantly to the next FOTM.

Small adjustment?

Go **** yourself

I'd like to direct the complainers to Nova Knife's post here:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1080676#post1080676

High fives absolute. Today is happy day nice to see you on the fourms more now remember to try and drag out suffering as long as possabile and that most people here dont get sarcasm.

Also ontopic players please remember to skill into what you enjoy using not what is most powerful as it will get corrected and you will cry :-P