I'm not sure what most run but if you run 4 extenders and a shield energizer (because you're true logi and focused on survivability) then this costs you 66 HP. That's a big deal. The CPU reduction might not affect someone using a CPU upgrade. It depends. It would be nice if they told us why the CPU instead of leaving us to speculate.

I'm not sure what most run but if you run 4 extenders and a shield energizer (because you're true logi and focused on survivability) then this costs you 66 HP. That's a big deal. The CPU reduction might not affect someone using a CPU upgrade. It depends. It would be nice if they told us why the CPU instead of leaving us to speculate.

Abloo bloo abloo bloo bloooo. This thread is making my day. Let me reiterate.

Logistics - one who heals, revives, supplies and supports.

Assault - one who kills.


How are you so butthurt that your role now works as intended? The only way you are whining this hard was by taking advantage of a faulty bonus that should never have made it past playtesting.

You want rage? Try being Gallente in EVE or DUST. Armour tanking is notoriously bad, underpowered and overlooked. EVE blasters/rainguns have been the laughing stock of the game for over 3 years and have just recently been fixed.

DUST has been "live" for a little under 3 months. Try wasting 4 years waiting for some attention. If you are this hurt then I HOPE you leave and come back. Go back to Halo or CoD or whatever FPS with an iWin button. The communtiy does not need you or want you. Have a super day!

So, will these new equipment related bonus replace our current bonuses, or will we be getting both? I mean, it's kind of unfair to the players to allow them to spec into a suits that fit one-playstyle, and then say "nope, you have to play like this now "

Would you at least consider refunding SP spent on specializations? Amarr Logi btw, not Cal

Funny since it is the assaults and all crying over " we can't win" so wanting the Iain button because their cod skills don't cut it in Dust.

Let me ask you this,are you going to sit still and guard while we red someone, or are you going to watch our backs while we rep that heavy in front? No. So we have extra HP to compensate the fact we aren't always ready to shoot a round from our weapons. Try changing from a rep tool to your weapon while being shot at by a duvolle and tell me our 87 ehp more than that assault really make a difference.

No instead you want to cry because toe to toe you may lose. Hell don't go head on then. Scouts don't cry they can't head on a heavy. Logo's rarely even head on a heavy. It's called battle tactics.

Cal Logos had a good balance for their roles. Others needed better bonuses, not a Nerf to Cal's.

Also Toyboi, you have no clue what your talking about. So do everyone a favor and stop.

We have now essentially become scouts with no sidearm and brightly colored target suits and less speed.

Funny since it is the assaults and all crying over " we can't win" so wanting the Iwin button because their cod skills don't cut it in Dust.

Let me ask you this,are you going to sit still and guard while we res someone, or are you going to watch our backs while we rep that heavy in front? No. So we have extra HP to compensate the fact we aren't always ready to shoot a round from our weapons. Try changing from a rep tool to your weapon while being shot at by a duvolle and tell me our 87 ehp more than that assault really make a difference.

No instead you want to cry because toe to toe you may lose. Hell don't go head on then. Scouts don't cry they can't head on a heavy. Logi's rarely even head on a heavy. It's called battle tactics.

Cal Logi's had a good balance for their roles. Others needed better bonuses, not a Nerf to Cal's.

Also Toyboi, you have no clue what your talking about. So do everyone a favor and stop.

We have now essentially become scouts with no sidearm and brightly colored target suits and less speed.

Why would you take my reload speed away for some crap efficacy? I'd rather reload faster then get that tiny boost to shields

Bottom line is:

balance between Assault and Logistics looks like this...

sidearm vs equipment

more speed and stamina vs higher EHP

the first one is working as intended

but now Caldari and Gallente logis are slower than assault with about the same EHP. less in the case of Caldari Assault.

...but Gallente can use better and more equipment

I welcome those changes, especially to the Amarr logi which looks like a really good choice now.

However, CCP you might want to think twice about what that CPU reduction does to the standard and advanced suits. The proto suit can handle it because of the extra low slot. But advanced and standard suit are put at a disadvantage compared to other logis, and they gain nothing.

The advanced CalLogi has the exact same number of module and equipment slots as the Gallente, but 20 less CPU. For what? Now that the uber bonus to extenders is gone, the Caldari just loses on standard and advanced level. Please think about that and reconsider those changes CCP!

who the **** are you?? ill do everyone a favor and call out bs when i see it! if you are a logi i would argue that you are biased.
if not i dont know what your excuse is...

Again just wait and see! this nerf is a joke! you will still be able to rolfstomp assaults

These changes look good. Hopefully they're enough to bring the suits into line, which I suppose we shall see.

Also to those complaining, it does not take much reflection to realise that the way things have been was not always going to remain. What is desirable is that a game be constantly balanced. You should train with a long term view in mind, rather than just trying to pick the strongest most obviously broken thing that you know is one day going to get patched.

who the **** are you?? ill do everyone a favor and call out bs when i see it! if you are a logi i would argue that you are biased.
if not i dont know what your excuse is...

Again just wait and see! this nerf is a joke! you will still be able to rolfstomp assaults

Call what you like. I run Logi and Heavy currently, ran Assault last build. So I have experience and can speak first hand. I know my role as Logi and do it very well. However with Proto gear, my suit costs more than a similar assault and with the changes why would I risk that cost now to save someone who has QQ'd to make me more likely to die saving them?

Always love the "who are you" line when you fail at your argument. Let's just say I don't like to post on the forums for the sake of seeing my words like some do.

You're right, I will likely still be able to own my fair share of assaults. Not because my suit is OP, but because I have the skill to do so. Likewise, a fair share will still continue to do likewise with good builds and good skills that don't come from COD expecting this to be the same game of bullet spam.

I provided a link in my past posts to show just what the difference is. There were many better ways to fix the assault role of the Logi's. Weapon restrictions, reduction of Shield % per level, removal of one high and exchange for 4th equipment, etc. However, with the 20CPU AND reduction from shield efficacy to recharge, we are just as likely to die as a scout, perhaps more so do to the loss of speed we have.

So it seems you're the one biased. We obviously can tell your an assault. You want to be the one owning everyone without opposition obviously.

Giving them all those slots and not seeing how players would abuse them to be masters of whatever domain they choose is the real issue.

Their versatility was fully intentional, watch the video showing drop-suit descriptions.

Hyperbole much?

CCP could make equipment cheaper to balance out the cost in suits if that is what you are worried about.

But the argument that Logis's need to be super durable is a false one. Logis should depend on their squad for cover to do their job, the same way a scout needs a squad to be the distraction so they can flank or they have to run and hide.

I sympathise with you because from your posts it seems you are fitting out your suits correctly but the abuse of the logi suit to be able to do other roles better than the specialist at those roles is CCP's big design flaw. Giving them all those slots and not seeing how players would abuse them to be masters of whatever domain they choose is the real issue.

Versatility yes but better scout than scout, better slayer than assault.

Lets just give them a heavy weapon ability too while we are at it. Better yet, get rid of other classes and make logi default, everyone can just use that and branch off and be what they want.

Maybe as other content gets phased in and things get fixed the other roles may balance out but right now its back of the bus for the others.

How about instead of nerfing the calogi suits, you bring all the other suits to their level?

CCP you really have to think about what your changes do to players with specializations. I speced into caldari assault for the reload speed for my plasma cannon. Now that it is removed, I would like either of these options:
1. Plasma cannon fixed.
2. Skill points refunded.

Edit: Good changes though, assault finally might be better than logi at the front line.

I love how us Scouts are the benchmark of what it means to have a crap suit. :|


I don't see what you're complaining about Logibros. Man the f up. You all knew the good times won't last forever. Hopefully, our 'bad times' as Scouts won't as well.