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True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.06.17 03:02:00 -
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CCP NEEDS TO RESPOND TO THIS..... Im going to link this thread in all of my Feed Back threads until CCP comments on this glorious series of well presented, thought out, and needed fixes. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.06.17 03:45:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:I would like to add that for the roles of armor and shields that armor should not be forced to be slow, in a way. I believe shields should excel in active battle by having high shield repairs and the ability to use armor repair modules. But armor should get the ability to have similar, not better, performance in battle. Making shields and armor follow a strict gameplay type is limiting to the player using the build. I for example like speedy builds, obviously I will never be as effective as a Minmatar in speed but I should have the chance to be as capable in battle as a Caldari suit with similar repair rates and speed. In most games I go for speedy builds, most MMOs I play an assasin or archer, and most FPS I play as a SMG rusher speed has been hardwired into my gaming style for years and Dust 514 punishes me because the suit I picked, in Dust 514 at least doesn't follow this, keep in mind I was following EVE when picking my suit because I thought Gallente suits where the second fastest. Of course they should not be entirely equal, they should individually excel and fail in some aspects, in this case a Caldari suit should excel in active shield repping but not armor, while a Gallente excels in active armor repping but not shields while having equal speed and EHP.
While that's true it must be noted that both types of Tanking have already developed their own identities.
Armour is already considered the brawler type, while shield the skirmishers. You are right no one should be forced into a playstyle but I think the distinction between the two types must be made otherwise there is no point in having two.
Armour fits my playstyle well I like to be right in the middle of things with the bullets flying, tanks driving by, etc. I feel that Armour should better facilitate the brawlers amongst us, while shields the more mobile and hit and run players. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:26:00 -
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Rinzler XVII wrote:This thread is basically a solo playing style issue .. why would you need to stick to a nano hive ? Where is your logi repper ? Why are you on your own ? Why do you need to rely on armor rep mods when a repper does the job better ? Can armour be taken out entirely by lasers and flux grenades like shields ? Dont your shields have to be taken out b4 you get through to armour ? You could add shield mods if you sacrificed damage mods but no you go solely for armor plates and complain shields are better .. why not try balancing your defence and sacrifice some damage to increase your shields to make it harder to get through to your armour ? Every suit has shields and armor if you spec solely armour then you have to accept the pitfalls just as shield users do (losing 500 shield with 1 flux or having a laser user totally wipe your shield is alot worse than a movement penalty or not being able to have full plate mods if you want higher rep rate on armour) I have both and love both but i also know that both have pitfalls and bonuses, a good squad can sort those pitfalls out, there are bigger gameplay issues that need dealing with before we get to anything like this (matchmaking has to be a number 1 priority if this game is to attract and keep new and old players)
We shouldn't be forced to dual tank our suits especially when that makes no sense in relation to racial combat doctrines in EvE. There would be no point for CCP to stack gallente suit in favour of armour if they weren't expecting them to tank armour, and by in large the amarr are ****** because they aren't even Shield tankers yet the field the best hybrid toons out there?
This makes no sense. The one positive about armour is that we can have a higher base damage than shield tankers, however this is mitigated by the sheer speed at which the shield tankers core EHP recharges over a given time.
Arkena did the math in here about recharge time and the shield beat down Armour every time. IM not saying I want armour to work the same way because then there'd be no variety however I want armour to have what it should, high EHP values that shield to compensate for shield recharge. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:53:00 -
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235 Posts
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And this thread is still ignored by Devs.....
IVE SEEN TROLL POSTS WITH SINGLE DIGIT VIEWS GET MORE ATTENTION THAN THIS.
In all honesty great work to you all BL4CKST4R, Arkena, Cat Merc, and all of you others for your imput even the shield tankers you all gave your best thoughts and logical comments to this thread only for CCP to ignore in favour of 14yr olds bitching in general.
I Salute you Veterans of the Amarr and Gallente. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.07.03 21:04:00 -
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DRDEEZENUTSZ TWOpointo wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:DRDEEZENUTSZ TWOpointo wrote:I found another good build for assaults and basics One Ferro scale plates two enhanced plates and 1 complex plate and three complex extenders This will give you 887.7 hp with 6.25 repair at the cost of 7% movement penalty Where is the 6.25 repair coming from your stacking 4 plates and I see no repairer. Oh typo it's suppose to be complex repair not plate.
Yeah but I should be able to run pure Armour assaults as an Amarr because its my racial twink and of course my religious duty!
I DONT WANRT EFFING SHIELDS like half the lame ass 133ts in this game. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.07.07 04:46:00 -
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Currently I'm ******* done with this.
I want to make am AmarrI RP toon, the one I made and spent money on was something I was proud of walked out of academy with less than 750 SP unspent with a KDR of 11 damn proud of that.
Joined the big boys only to find im goddamn not even able to compete due to lack of SP, Armour is gimped as hell, its not even possible to play armour all that well with its slow movement speed that means I'm being run down by every type of shield user in town.
Explosive weapons with no draw back to being used, while anti shield guns continue to sit with numerous repercussions for continued use including potential to kill oneself....
It's all just getting to me. After that my 11KDR went down to 3....then to 2.5, then to 2 and now its dropped below two because I don't have the SP, don't have any bonues for using armour tanked toons..... no wonder Im AFKING through this 3x SP even even if I did get 4 mill SP at the end of it (my current 2.5+ the 1.5) It wont fix the ******* glaring issues CCP is cocking around with and not fixing.
******* do something CCP |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.07.07 13:14:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:True Adamance wrote:Currently I'm ******* done with this.
I want to make am AmarrI RP toon, the one I made and spent money on was something I was proud of walked out of academy with less than 750 SP unspent with a KDR of 11 damn proud of that.
Joined the big boys only to find im goddamn not even able to compete due to lack of SP, Armour is gimped as hell, its not even possible to play armour all that well with its slow movement speed that means I'm being run down by every type of shield user in town.
Explosive weapons with no draw back to being used, while anti shield guns continue to sit with numerous repercussions for continued use including potential to kill oneself....
It's all just getting to me. After that my 11KDR went down to 3....then to 2.5, then to 2 and now its dropped below two because I don't have the SP, don't have any bonues for using armour tanked toons..... no wonder Im AFKING through this 3x SP even even if I did get 4 mill SP at the end of it (my current 2.5+ the 1.5) It wont fix the ******* glaring issues CCP is cocking around with and not fixing.
******* do something CCP You need to cap out with boosters during this event. And take this time to start a new toon and cap it out with boosters too so you can try the alternative play style. As for Amarr, well eventually you'll get less heat build up. Until then I would get up to scrambler rifle 4 and use the assault scrambler rifle. buy a couple aurum ones to check it out. it's awesome, and it optimal range was just increased from 30 to 45. Use it to get shields down then flaylock for armor if you're in range. Forget about your KDR for now. Just learn. Join a corp that has guys that you can squad up with and learn from. You're slow yes so stay with others if you can and use cover. if a scout comes at you take his shields down with 2-3 SR shots and then flaylock his face off.
..... I know how to play an amarrian dropsuit but thanks for the advice anyway.... im also in the only amarrian RP corp out there. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.07.16 03:45:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote: The problem with that idea is that it limits what the Gallentes can fit since most modules are in the lows.
Yes, of course that's an issue. It's no magic bullet and it's not the only fix - It's just something to think about when fitting.
DONT NO BODY FORGET ABOUT THE AMARR.. just because CCP cocked up the slot lay out does not means we aren't as dedicated armour tankers as you Gallenteans are. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.07.16 12:58:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:lol 28 pages and over 6k views and still nothing. Tis' a damn shame..... Peace, Godin It's actually nearly 7k now. Yup wishing a DEV would comment on this and talk to you guys. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.08.01 07:16:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I'm back. Still no dev response though. Their constant lack of attention to this thread is incredibly worrying.... |
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.08.14 07:29:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:is CCP going to fix this or not? thats all i want to know. and if o, when? an ETA is nessesary. Wolfman just confirmed buffs to Plate HP grants, decreases to speed penalties, but for now has not commented on rep rates.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101975&find=unread
I think that's the link. |
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