Also, Looking at things EVE side PC is going to take place in Black Rise/Aridia or Lonetrek. I hope it's the latter.

So just to clarify about the reinforcement timer.

This timer is fixed for all time for that district, can't be altered by ANY corp that holds it in its history? Is it is fixed 60m window for is it a couple of hours either way?

Please put your reasons here:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=64258&find=unread



BTW, Black Rise has no non-FW planets in lowsec.

The disincentive comes from distance losses, yes, but also from the lack of rewards.

I've long postulated that Genesis may be the first region for PC. If that is the case, then there are some pockets in that region:

The minipocket constellation of Nazdirer (1 Temperate in Vecamia) is 5 jumps from the Mih midpocket (5 Temperates total). Nazdirer's is also 6 jumps from the Ashela midpocket (4 Temperates) and the Ubar minipocket (2 Temperates). The Nazdirer pocket is 8 jumps from the nearest part of the Monalaz-Meli-EVE megapocket and 12 jumps from the Aven-Makh-Kihkounad megapocket.

A Kaiju corp is not likely to want to hold Vecamia because it is really far from any other planets and those corps can make a lot more money by owning most (or all) of a megapocket. Furthermore, their holdings in the megapocket are easier to reinforce from clones elsewhere in the pocket.

By contrast, Vecamia (the Nazdirer minipocket) can only effectively rely on that one planet for reinforcements. At best, only 55% of the clones sent from the nearest other pocket (Mih) would arrive. That means that corps would more likely have to buy clones (at five times their street value) to make up the difference.

If you are a Shark, then only having a couple of districts on Vecamia VIII is awesome. If you are a Kaiju, then defending districts on Vecamia via clone packs is a waste of money. You could much more cost-effectively attack nearby systems than trying to project force halfway across the region.

In addition, the Shark corps (and Minnows who want to be Sharks) will very quickly realize this and focus their efforts on the minipockets. As a result, the minipockets will be filled with battles. This means that districts belonging to distant corps are likely to be the preferred targets of Minnows and Sharks hoping to win a district by attrition. Since those districts are a net loss for Kaijus and Monsters, the big boys are likely to let those pockets alone.

Something we havn't mentioned yet is that our cost calculation skips high security systems provided they are along the shortest path between the districts. Having said that, I am neither confirming nor denying there will be high security systems in any paths, just explaining how it works

The owner of the district can change the reinforce at any time, provided the district is not locked. The change we are making is that after capturing a district either through the initial deployment or an attack, the district will be locked for the first 24 hours.

Then i'd have no issue with that personally. I assumed it would be an attack 24 hours after the district flipped with zero clone regen meaning you'd only have 50 clones there still. I'm terrible at math.

All in all, the more i think about it the more i think you've made the right calls personally. I'm interested in a rough number for FW payouts per player though post patch to see how that's going to impact peoples Isk flow and possibly PC commitments.

Whats the best and worst case scenario for getting corp tax in? I think that would fix a lot of peoples issues right off the bat and even a very rough idea would make people more comfortable with things.

It's also past your bed time. Welp.

Also, Looking at things EVE side PC is going to take place in Black Rise/Aridia or Lonetrek. I hope it's the latter.

[quote=Cerebral Wolf Jr]My question is for the EVE guys: Is having a POS above the planet a good idea? i mean whats to safe guard it when ur offline? sorry a real newb at EVE here just trying to figure out if POS bonuses are indeed a good EVE side bonus especially when ur planetary neighbour next door could also have 1 and yall not on the best of terms

So, I see a lot of numbers being thrown around and big corp talk. What does all this crap mean for a merc like me? Tell me why I should care about PC. A heavy fit with proto everything (which will almost be a requirement) is nearly half a million right now. Even if I make 2,000,000 ISK for the battle, if I die just 4 times, I broke even. I will be expected to donate, but how can I if I'm breaking even every match (when everyone is in proto, deaths will occur)? I apologize for not keeping up, but all this is a lot to take in.

Small corps are good but if team can't fund its activities or field a full team then they shouldn't try to hold something they can't pay for or defend. Larger corps usually do have lots of money and members and I would say it is mostly taxes that make then rich. Someone wrote the fat get fatter and the poor get poorer. This is a true statement they both keep doing whatever it is that makes them fat or poor.

Corps should have been charging players from the start to be in the corp. Finally, just because you like having fun with friends you have known for a long time doesn't mean you should get a district. Just like in real life the bigger they are the more they have and can do. If you like having fun with your friends and don't want to tax your group then stay in random battles. If you want to own and hold districts then start taxing your mercs and recruiting. I am not being an ass but I am telling the truth.

Maybe I'm just missing it, but I don't see any reward for global, or even system conquest. There defiantly should be incentives on the Dust and Eve end for holding entire planets and even systems or whatnot, even if it is just bigger bonuses for more districts with a extra complete planet bonus.

Keeping the above in mind I think there maybe is an opportunity to tweak the entire system just a bit, fixing what I see as a bit of a fatal flaw in the current system. The flaw being alienating small corps. The tweak would be make it so a smaller districts on planets, can be held by a more traditional fps squad of 8 or so and give them a bit cheaper clone starting cost, while leaving the bigger districts requiring 16 competent defenders/attackers and the higher costs.

Doing this you can carve a little niche for those smaller fps clans that have been together for years, and don't want to double up, and/or for those who just think 16 is fun 32 is a crowd. I hope you think about it because I know you want to include as many as possible in your crowning jewel that is planetary conquest/eve interaction.

Just of the top of my head this could let small corps capture an 8 man team/16 man district, and hold it till a bigger corp buys it or takes it, for the planet bonus, that some serious evenessTM in dust.

I am actually a 4year eve pilot and isk will not be a problem for me, once the real interaction switch is flipped, which will probably be around the same time dust corps can tax anyway. Also while you may be keen to leave me and everyone else that's played more traditional fps's out, I happen to know Dust514's Dev team as a whole is not. The idea could even be expanded upon to allow for some planets to have super districts that require 32 mercs to defend or attack.

But being the first persistent fps mmo, I have played personally, not having a spot(district) in that persistent world, that me and my little fps clan can try to carve out for our own, would defiantly be disappointing if not a deal breaker.

Doing this you can carve a little niche for those smaller fps clans that have been together for years, and don't want to double up, and/or for those who just think 16 is fun 32 is a crowd. I hope you think about it because I know you want to include as many as possible in your crowning jewel that is planetary conquest/eve interaction.

Just of the top of my head this could let small corps capture an 8 man team/16 man district, and hold it till a bigger corp buys it or takes it, for the planet bonus, that some serious evenessTM in dust.

Taxes are not going to fly for a vast majority of Mercs I suspect. Mercs are actually real people and gamers at that. They play games to relax and one of their favorite things to do is to bend the rules; Of every single aspect of any game.

Don't be surprised when poor recruitment practices don't generate funds to operate PC.

Once taxes can be implemented expect a sudden reduction in membership for the Corp that chooses that option. That might not be true in countries outside of the US. But here, taxes will probably drive more players away than will actually help the Corp.

A system to track donations would make much more sense. That enables pride and bragging rights while taxes inspire revolution on this little piece of Old Earth.

Taxes are not going to fly for a vast majority of Mercs I suspect. Mercs are actually real people and gamers at that. They play games to relax and one of their favorite things to do is to bend the rules; Of every single aspect of any game.

Don't be surprised when poor recruitment practices don't generate funds to operate PC.

Once taxes can be implemented expect a sudden reduction in membership for the Corp that chooses that option. That might not be true in countries outside of the US. But here, taxes will probably drive more players away than will actually help the Corp.

A system to track donations would make much more sense. That enables pride and bragging rights while taxes inspire revolution on this little piece of Old Earth.

The way this is currently set up, the Eve players have a fairly minor role. Why can't you have an Eve player transport the clones as an option or something like that. Also the Dust players should have a bigger role in the planetary infrastructure system.

Something we havn't mentioned yet is that our cost calculation skips high security systems provided they are along the shortest path between the districts. Having said that, I am neither confirming nor denying there will be high security systems in any paths, just explaining how it works

Why would any DUST player trust any EVE player to transport clones?

Unless those players are one and the same it makes no sense.

EVE is built on backstabbing, thievery and never trusting EVE players. Just listen to the thieving clowns threaten you on your local chat. That should establish the quality of trust you can expect from the pod people.

Taxes are not going to fly for a vast majority of Mercs I suspect. Mercs are actually real people and gamers at that. They play games to relax and one of their favorite things to do is to bend the rules; Of every single aspect of any game.

Don't be surprised when poor recruitment practices don't generate funds to operate PC.

Once taxes can be implemented expect a sudden reduction in membership for the Corp that chooses that option. That might not be true in countries outside of the US. But here, taxes will probably drive more players away than will actually help the Corp.

A system to track donations would make much more sense. That enables pride and bragging rights while taxes inspire revolution on this little piece of Old Earth.

Why would any DUST player trust any EVE player to transport clones?

Unless those players are one and the same it makes no sense.

EVE is built on backstabbing, thievery and never trusting EVE players. Just listen to the thieving clowns threaten you on your local chat. That should establish the quality of trust you can expect from the pod people.

Previous subject of orbital strike WP count.
NPC Warbarges being on a WP count is realistic. Player ships are not. Just lift the WP requirement, and put in place a siege bombardment module that takes a 3 minute cycle to load for strike. Cycling the module causes district alert as well as system alert in eve local.

Multiple ships provide multiple strikes, but doing so in lowsec provokes CONCORD due to mass destruction conventions. In other words, nullsec sky dominance allows strikes per minute, suicide ganking planets is in lowsec.

Previous subject of orbital strike WP count.
NPC Warbarges being on a WP count is realistic. Player ships are not. Just lift the WP requirement, and put in place a siege bombardment module that takes a 3 minute cycle to load for strike. Cycling the module causes district alert as well as system alert in eve local.

Multiple ships provide multiple strikes, but doing so in lowsec provokes CONCORD due to mass destruction conventions. In other words, nullsec sky dominance allows strikes per minute, suicide ganking planets is in lowsec.