This tiny bit made me wonder... are the exact planets where PC is going to take place be announced prior to May 6th or we will have a stressed out gold rush in the 1st day with Corps having to very rapidly and in a rush make a very quick decision on what the best place to conquer is? Or alternatively reveal before the date and have corps investigate and consider best places to capture, maybe even with a few corps strategically coordinating, calling dibs, bluffing about where they'll go to attack first and other mental games?

I hope that we get some time.

That's why I keep speculating about the kitten region.

That's per match...not to mention the district you own will make you money...

Well... with this price increase it doesnt seem like my corp will be taking a district.
I think we might just go towards whoring ourselves out to the highest bidder.
ANY OFFERS FRIENDS?

I'm still concerned about larger corps with lots of resources being able to beat down a district by simple attrition. In other words, fighting a series of losing battles strictly for the purpose of reducing the number of clones on a district. If you can consistently kill 150 clones (which isn't hard if null cannon damage is adjusted so battles last 30 minutes or longer), you're going to wear down even a defender that manages to win every time. Sure it will be costly for you, but if you already have 5 or more districts you're producing enough clones that you'll never be putting one of your existing districts at risk of a gank. Meanwhile the defender is unable to reinforce because you're constantly locking the district with attacks (which I admit is a necessary mechanic, at least for a losing district).

For established corps with several districts, this will just be another part of gameplay, but for a new corp with only one or two districts, this means it will be nigh-impossible to get established if the other corp(s) on the planet are at all alert. Once you acquire a district, you'll simply get shut out of taking any more.

Yeah, this is where the small, medium, and large casinos issue is helpful.

If the 250 districts of PC space are divided into small, medium, and large pockets rather than contiguous, then we have a potential solution.

The biggest and most powerful ("Kaiju") corps will likely gravitate to the largest pockets because they can dominate those with minimal clone loss in transit.

The big, but not HUGE corps will aim towards the middle-sized pockets because they can defend those.

The smaller, but not tiny corps will tend to shoot for the smallest pockets.

Even over time, this principle will likely hold true. If you are a Kaiju, it's not worth trying to conquer a mid-sized pocket because the rewards aren't that awesome. You might attack them for fun or because the owners have annoyed you, but you aren't likely to try zerging it.

Big, but not top-name ("Monster") corps that want to knock the Kaijus down a peg will need the resources of a medium pocket to have a shot at attacking a big pocket. These corps might have started by conquering a small pocket, but they will shift their focus to the medium pocket as soon as possible.

This leaves the smallest pockets for the strong but small corps ("Sharks") to fight over. In order for a Shark to have a chance of becoming a Monster, they will need to conquer the whole pocket. However, if there are enough small pockets, there will be a lot of churn in these spots and plenty of opportunity for "Minnows" to try and become Sharks.

Solve the problem...rename the chosen region to Kitten!

Beware all ye who enter here...there be kittens...there're lolstomping over there and there and there...actually may just make more sense to rename New Eden to Cluster Kitten

What happens in this scenario?

A corp without any districts buys a clone pack and attacks a district held by another corp with 300 clones.

The attacker wins, now here's where I get confused.

If the attacker loses less clones than they steal (40 or 50 depending); then they have enough to attack the next day.

If they lose more than they recover from thievery they will have less than 150 clones, can they still attack the next day or do the clones automatically get sold back to the NPC corp. If they get sold back does that mean they would have to buy another clone pack to attack the next day.

Basically how does a corp that doesn't own a district break into PC once all of the districts are full?

I don't think it necessarily does. The incentive by players to use alt corps with the previous iteration was to accelerate a land grab of unoccupied districts on release day. After most of the districts have been claimed that incentive to rush districts no longer will exist. Then the only use of alt corps after that time would be to harass other corporations at distance, but if you split them up the assault pack will have no use for land grab(and thus alt corps) and still have a lower barrier to entry(20m) for smaller corps.

We expect the primary method be by targeting districts that are low on clones. At the end of a battle if the attacker has no districts under their control and they won all their extra clones get sold at the default sell price.

So if a Corp is disband and they own a district if becomes free gain?

It's looking very likely we will introduce corporation tax, just a question of when.

What prayer would that be? To receive a vague answer regarding the implementation of corp taxation in Dust?

I guess it's safe to assume, not anytime before or during the period where it could be extremely useful? Like say, the launch of Uprising and PC.




I'm nitpicking...I apologize.

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That's per match...not to mention the district you own will make you money...

No, the real problem here is about the feeling of ownership. What is the main perk of defending. Worst, the ONLY perk of defending ? It's picking more or less when you will fight. With this insta-lock, it means the LOSER can strike back immediatly and fight at the time HE wants as he would be the one who set the RT.

This isnt a problem if you only attack district with a RT you like. But what are the odds the districts of interest all with a RT you like ? Low.

So, say you manage to find some players willing to be present at the time required to get that target district, and then win it. Why shouldnt you instantly get your perk of deciding when you would like to fight if the corp decide to strike back ? Or if anyone else decides to attack that district you just got ? How long would those willing players of yours be able to keep being here to defend ?

Nullarbor said it is to prevent people flipping a district and insta change RT to "Obscure TimeZones". Which i didnt get as someone's obscure timezone is someone's ideal one. And as long as you own, you should decide.
The point of preventing Day one massive flipping of RT is also very weak imo. We all know most districts taken day one wont be attacked until a few days. So the 24h lock will just be a delay before seeing a massive RT change. Among which there will be obscure TZ for me and others.

God, one shard universe or what ?

My point is : winner takes it all. No reason he should be limited in what he wants to do with HIS district.
And as i already said : It should be the opposite. a freshly taken district shouldnt be able to be attacked for 24H.


Finally, i red post from Devs saying "Raiding should be cool". Raiding a district... taking a district, then insta-selling all clones scorch earth style. isnt that ultimate raiding ? This locking stuff shuts down many possibilities. We'll see how boring it will be to just see districts flip and flip again. Killing all the persistence and ownership feeling.

We actually will have a round table at Fanfest this year specifically dedicated to discussing this stuff. Discussing what DUST corporations need to manage their corporations and more than that what DUST players need to communicate and enhance the social experience. So if you know any DUST players coming to Fanfest please be sure to have them keep a lookout for that round table. :)

But if your losing 300 clones, the defending corp gets 300 clones in biomass. Plus whatever biomass they get from their own clone losses means they will more than recoup their losses. They can then buy new clones with the excess cash from the biomass spoils.

I'm also concerned. It's a very powerful tactic.

But, in your example defender is getting a terrible losses while winning, 150 clones. That can be considered bad defence.

Yeah, this is where the small, medium, and large casinos issue is helpful.

It's looking very likely we will introduce corporation tax, just a question of when.

Well. This has thrown the cat amongst the pigeons and no mistake.

Now aside from the additional cost the clones packs (which is a total killjoy for the more modest corps hoping to take part in this), the unlimited purchase of them has just given the larger corps exclusive rights to PC and totally destroys any chance of this being a strategic game mode. Within a week less than 10 corps will hold all the districts and with the winnings and ISK from the clones they're just going to get richer, better equipped and more likely to club together to prevent anyone breaking their monopoly.

Congrats and well done for giving Dust immovable power blocs. Smart move.




Now this is something I have a problem with.

Its now looking very likely we need a corporation Tax? It's only just looking likely?!!That suggests to me that at some point the need for corporation tax hadn't even occurred to you? Was that the same day it occurred to CCP that corps only needed two roles, didn't need corp mail, mailing lists or a wallet system that didn't have a transaction history?!!

What PC is increasing doing in point of fact, is demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of what is required by corps to run and fund their corps in the first place! All of which has a direct impact on being able to do PC at all.

It's not that you've build a house with no foundations, it's the fact your expecting the second floor to hover in the air above where the ground floor should be.

This just occurred to me, and i'm just putting it out there to further the discussion. (devil's advocate, if you will)

if the problem with the 80 Mil entry point is that it is prohibitive to the smaller corps (and i agree with this point BTW, as i'm from one of those smaller Corps), how exactly will the tax help in the grand scheme or things?

i ask this because, should a tax be implemented, i assume it would not be dependent on the corp size. (ie. every corp will now have a tax levy) so the larger corps will be receiving the tax also. if you follow this to it's logical conclusion this would mean that a large corp will be increasing their revenues also, plus at a higher rate than the smaller corps, 'cus.... well they have more members to tax.

so how does this actually help the smaller corps? yeah they get to make ISK faster, but so do the Big Boys, and i'd assume they would be in an even better position to dominate after the influx of the new ISK tax.

first its Bacon, now Kittens......... this Eve talk has me confused!

Well. This has thrown the cat amongst the pigeons and no mistake.

Now aside from the additional cost the clones packs (which is a total killjoy for the more modest corps hoping to take part in this), the unlimited purchase of them has just given the larger corps exclusive rights to PC and totally destroys any chance of this being a strategic game mode. Within a week less than 10 corps will hold all the districts and with the winnings and ISK from the clones they're just going to get richer, better equipped and more likely to club together to prevent anyone breaking their monopoly.

Congrats and well done for giving Dust immovable power blocs. Smart move.




Now this is something I have a problem with.

Its now looking very likely we need a corporation Tax? It's only just looking likely?!!That suggests to me that at some point the need for corporation tax hadn't even occurred to you? Was that the same day it occurred to CCP that corps only needed two roles, didn't need corp mail, mailing lists or a wallet system that didn't have a transaction history?!!

What PC is increasing doing in point of fact, is demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of what is required by corps to run and fund their corps in the first place! All of which has a direct impact on being able to do PC at all.

It's not that you've build a house with no foundations, it's the fact your expecting the second floor to hover in the air above where the ground floor should be.

I'd be willing to accept that the timers don't change if the district can get clones generated on them though.

I'll be honest, I'm still not entirely sure where the disincentive comes in. Is it merely the clone loss from shipping clones over long distances? You also have to consider that the largest corps will want to hold some of the most remote planets (because that's their territory in EVE).

what about small corp alliances?