ill admit it fucks up smaller corps
they will already have a hard time holding 1 district the price for re-entry should they get the boot will keep them out which imo is a bad move

It will become an ISK sink.

Money sinks will never work in dust or eve why... Because this game is all about getting as much isk as possabile so why would Anyone take part in a isk sink it. defeats the whole core of eve

Factional Warfare fights are going to become a much bigger thing with Uprising and, we hope, be used a lot more for this sort of thing when not fighting corporation battles for planetary conquest.

I wish you guys would reconsider the starting price.

So you don't see a use for a source of income not relating to PC for, oh I dunno, corps not involved in PC?

This is such a load of crap!!

If they would go back to one genolution pack for each corp if you don't own a district we don't have this problem.

But since they've made it unlimited genolution clones, you're right... All the big corps will snatch up all the districts day 1

What member? Imagine i have 10 guys in corp chat saying they donated 1mil each, and i go to corp walled and only saw 1mil donated. Shall i expel them all for lying? Promote them for being dirty bastars? Say thank you and go away? Im not saying you arent correct, which you are, you have nailed it in the head, too many players being cheap. But no way of controlling who isnt.

Most of our alliance corps have 4-25 recruits, we're the biggest with 44 members but only about 15 active players

That's fine but at least our small corps would be given the opportunity to get in, now we aren't which just makes the problem worse.

We have an alliance of 8 corps that are banded together to help defend our districts, with the 20 mil isk starting point, it would have been sustainable but at 80 it just isn't.

I doubt 5 of you could hold a single district...

We don't want to consolidate, we like our corps and that's why we did the coalition.. All of our corps are small friend based corps that want to get all the fun out of the game, however, I feel like things here run like they do in our government, the fat get fatter and the poor get poorer.

Are you accounting for the loss of clones needed to send to take the shell corp district?

You're still missing my point though, yeah it does make it a little less attractive for big corps to take multiple districts but it makes it impossible for a small corp to take one at all.

Our coalition has backing from large corporations, we were going to be able to hold our districts.

nom nom nom

Not how it is, the backing we have is from a class act, he has proven to be on here and in game multiple times.

And if it did go down that way, shame on them but it wouldn't happen again

You can buy 10 Genolution clone's packs with 1 corporation, this is not sustainable anymore.

This tiny bit made me wonder... are the exact planets where PC is going to take place be announced prior to May 6th or we will have a stressed out gold rush in the 1st day with Corps having to very rapidly and in a rush make a very quick decision on what the best place to conquer is? Or alternatively reveal before the date and have corps investigate and consider best places to capture, maybe even with a few corps strategically coordinating, calling dibs, bluffing about where they'll go to attack first and other mental games?

I'm still concerned about larger corps with lots of resources being able to beat down a district by simple attrition. In other words, fighting a series of losing battles strictly for the purpose of reducing the number of clones on a district. If you can consistently kill 150 clones (which isn't hard if null cannon damage is adjusted so battles last 30 minutes or longer), you're going to wear down even a defender that manages to win every time. Sure it will be costly for you, but if you already have 5 or more districts you're producing enough clones that you'll never be putting one of your existing districts at risk of a gank. Meanwhile the defender is unable to reinforce because you're constantly locking the district with attacks (which I admit is a necessary mechanic, at least for a losing district).

For established corps with several districts, this will just be another part of gameplay, but for a new corp with only one or two districts, this means it will be nigh-impossible to get established if the other corp(s) on the planet are at all alert. Once you acquire a district, you'll simply get shut out of taking any more.

first its Bacon, now Kittens......... this Eve talk has me confused!

I'll be honest, I'm still not entirely sure where the disincentive comes in. Is it merely the clone loss from shipping clones over long distances? You also have to consider that the largest corps will want to hold some of the most remote planets (because that's their territory in EVE).

what about small corp alliances?

Also, Looking at things EVE side PC is going to take place in Black Rise/Aridia or Lonetrek. I hope it's the latter.

So just to clarify about the reinforcement timer.

This timer is fixed for all time for that district, can't be altered by ANY corp that holds it in its history? Is it is fixed 60m window for is it a couple of hours either way?

Doing this you can carve a little niche for those smaller fps clans that have been together for years, and don't want to double up, and/or for those who just think 16 is fun 32 is a crowd. I hope you think about it because I know you want to include as many as possible in your crowning jewel that is planetary conquest/eve interaction.

Just of the top of my head this could let small corps capture an 8 man team/16 man district, and hold it till a bigger corp buys it or takes it, for the planet bonus, that some serious evenessTM in dust.

Taxes are not going to fly for a vast majority of Mercs I suspect. Mercs are actually real people and gamers at that. They play games to relax and one of their favorite things to do is to bend the rules; Of every single aspect of any game.

Don't be surprised when poor recruitment practices don't generate funds to operate PC.

Once taxes can be implemented expect a sudden reduction in membership for the Corp that chooses that option. That might not be true in countries outside of the US. But here, taxes will probably drive more players away than will actually help the Corp.

A system to track donations would make much more sense. That enables pride and bragging rights while taxes inspire revolution on this little piece of Old Earth.

Something we havn't mentioned yet is that our cost calculation skips high security systems provided they are along the shortest path between the districts. Having said that, I am neither confirming nor denying there will be high security systems in any paths, just explaining how it works

Why would any DUST player trust any EVE player to transport clones?

Unless those players are one and the same it makes no sense.

EVE is built on backstabbing, thievery and never trusting EVE players. Just listen to the thieving clowns threaten you on your local chat. That should establish the quality of trust you can expect from the pod people.

Please reconsider that 'jumping over hisec'.
It feels unnecessary and reduces the feeling of location.
It wouldn't be bad if there would be sort of islands of lowsec instead of everything connected. Just different. I feel that it would be nice to have clear borders etc.

http://themittani.com/news/dust-514-new-skills-may-hurt-current-players
I Don't know if i like this or not...

Also, if it was always going to be necessary to merge with another corp to get in on PC, why have the option to create one? Why does one want to put in all of the effort and time just to have to be a subsidiary?

... QQ ...

Now, if we all just have to accept it for what it is...then why have a beta and ask for feedback? Why when someone offers some feedback or criticism do the bandwagoners have to jump to CCP's defense? Why are people so hellbent on this game not being all that it could be?

... More QQ ...

If it was only intended for EVE people to get into and enjoy, keep it on the pc ffs.

Lets present a hypothetical question: After PC under the current structure is around for a while. Will it be possible for a corp to break in to PC, gain and sustain a few territories then, gain and sustain a few more, and a few more until THAT corporation has one of the largest 1-2-3 areas on the map?

If one can answer yes, then cool. But the answer is No, not possible, or the odds are slim to none.