My advice is to merge the corporations into just one or two.

I'm not saying this to be mean, just practical. If you look at successful EVE-side corporations, those that hold territory are HUGE and they are part of HUGE alliances.

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Here's a link to the largest alliance in EVE:
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Goonswarm_Federation/corporations

This alliance has 190 member corporations. Their largest corporation, GoonWaffe, has over 4,000 members.
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It might also help to get an EVE alliance to take you in. That will, as the games tie closer together, give you certain advantages.

Please see this post here

You could consolidate your corps into one (mine). Or join an Alliance (mine).

Look, I understand the whole shell corp thing but the mad dash for districts is going to be worse now and cost the corps less money... Before the change, these corps would be losing 20 mil isk for every "shell corp" taking a district for them, now they won't be losing any money because they don't have to go fight and take the district away from there shell corp.

All raising the price does is keep the little guys out.

Every argument I've seen against my stance has been from big corps.

I undertsand wanting to make the bigger corps work a little more, but raising the price by 60M ISK just completely takes us smaller corp's out of the game. The corp I'm in currently has around 30 members, 5 of which are pretty active. I doubt 5 of us could raise that much.

I undertsand wanting to make the bigger corps work a little more, but raising the price by 60M ISK just completely takes us smaller corp's out of the game. The corp I'm in currently has around 30 members, 5 of which are pretty active. I doubt 5 of us could raise that much.

You do seem to be forgetting that now, for every district, the ebil big corps have to shell out 80 mill rather than 20 - cutting the potential initial land grab by 75%

I doubt 5 of you could hold a single district...

I undertsand wanting to make the bigger corps work a little more, but raising the price by 60M ISK just completely takes us smaller corp's out of the game. The corp I'm in currently has around 30 members, 5 of which are pretty active. I doubt 5 of us could raise that much.

I doubt 5 of you could hold a single district...

Money sinks will never work in dust or eve why... Because this game is all about getting as much isk as possabile so why would Anyone take part in a isk sink it. defeats the whole core of eve

I made this post in the general forum, but I'll make it here too since its in response to the dev blog.

My concern is, the cost of individual clones makes the difference between gear costs negliable. A starter clone costs over 500k ISK. So this means, a clone with equipment would range between like 510k and like 1M or so.

Point is, the balance between proto gear and lower gear made sense when the price increase was 10k to like 500k, 50X price for an advantage. But when its simply 2X, it wouldnt remotely make ANY sense to not use proto gear.

So whats the point of the lower gear even existing? Are you really gunna suit a 500k clone with cheap gear, ever? This also means that any corp with half a brain will only allow soldiers who have enough SP to run proto gear to use their clones. So now, newer players are pretty much cut off from enjoying the meta aspects of the game.

PC was already going to be an ISK sink due to arms races. Youd be throwing your best gear at PC, regardless of it a dude could only fit an advanced suit or a proto. But now, if I'm a corp, theres no way Im letting me fight in PC cause I dont have the SP to use proto gear. And Im not putting 10-50k gear in a 500k clone.

It looks to me, with this current system of clones costing much more and the attacker gaining so much when they win, that defending is almost pointless. Corps can just jump district to district and gain huge amounts of clones, ISK, and loot and not bother to risk losing it by defending a district. Since attacking can be so incredibly profitable, what does someone gain by holding a district, or even many districts in a system beyond gaining clones from unsuccessful attackers?

I undertsand wanting to make the bigger corps work a little more, but raising the price by 60M ISK just completely takes us smaller corp's out of the game. The corp I'm in currently has around 30 members, 5 of which are pretty active. I doubt 5 of us could raise that much.

I doubt 5 of you could hold a single district...

A. It will cost you 80M to jump around without owning a district.
B. You need a district to take back the clones you won.
C. Owning a district generates you ISK which allows you to expand.

We don't want to consolidate, we like our corps and that's why we did the coalition.. All of our corps are small friend based corps that want to get all the fun out of the game, however, I feel like things here run like they do in our government, the fat get fatter and the poor get poorer.

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My corp has 35 members.
I cannot force a good player to donate, nor can i control when he did.

We actually will have a round table at Fanfest this year specifically dedicated to discussing this stuff. Discussing what DUST corporations need to manage their corporations and more than that what DUST players need to communicate and enhance the social experience. So if you know any DUST players coming to Fanfest please be sure to have them keep a lookout for that round table. :)

Please bear in mind that the Factional Warfare (FW) mechanic is also changing.

Your corp will be able to participate in FW battles that affect territorial control between the big factions.

Small corps are not cut off from the persistent universe of New Eden, just from PC.

Corps that couldn't raise 80M from their members didn't have a snowball's chance in PC anyway even if the price had stayed the same.

Please bear in mind that the Factional Warfare (FW) mechanic is also changing.

Your corp will be able to participate in FW battles that affect territorial control between the big factions.

Small corps are not cut off from the persistent universe of New Eden, just from PC.

Corps that couldn't raise 80M from their members didn't have a snowball's chance in PC anyway even if the price had stayed the same.

Are you accounting for the loss of clones needed to send to take the shell corp district?

You're still missing my point though, yeah it does make it a little less attractive for big corps to take multiple districts but it makes it impossible for a small corp to take one at all.

Looks to me like clones are of little purpose. I rarely if ever see a MCC match win through clone count. Even more so in Corp battles as people are more aware of picking up their squad members.

I don't see any corps having more than the lowest number of clones since losing to clone count is quite rare and the clones themselves are quite expensive.

It doesn't seem to bear any advantage to having more clones.

Also there doesn't seem to be any advantage to being in PC from the dust side other than having some gudfights. The costs seem more prohibitive than what you get out of them. It will be an isk sink that I don't see having many rewards.

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Our coalition has backing from large corporations, we were going to be able to hold our districts.

Day One:
Mama Corp buys its starter pack. The Babies do the same, all eighty of them. Thirty of those fail because of timing.

Day Two:
Mama Corp attacks Baby 1 using most of the clones from the starter pack and leaving just the produced clones.
Baby 2 attacks Baby 3 the same way.
Baby 4 attacks Baby 5.
etc., etc., etc.

Day Three:
Mama Corp attacks Baby 2.
Baby 2 attacks Baby 4.
Baby 4 attacks Baby 6.
etc., etc., etc.

This finishes in about a week and Mama Corp has not had to buy any additional clones. Even if it had, it is recouping some of its losses through the biomass that the Babies are yielding by not fighting at all.