We did the math and for corporations that have enough active members to play planetary conquest they should be able to afford this price. It might take them a week or so to get the ISK from scratch, but they can.

It will be challenging but not impossible. It's kind of like small corps in EVE saving up for their first POS. Its a big investment for them and at the same time very exciting. However unlike POS's provided you can field a strong 16 man team you have just as much chance of maintaining your district as the big guys.

Foxfour, im sorry but i dont think you are getting my point. We (corporations) have a flawed way of getting isk, donations arent the answer, taxes are. Until that and as i said before, relying on the charity of enough players wont get small corps, poor corps, into PC.

This is the purpose of DUST.

If you go back to the earliest announcements, CCP was very particular that they wanted Dust to suck money out of EVE once the two economies were interwoven.

80m ISK / 16 man tema = 5m ISK per person. Most people can get 5m ISK in about 2/3 nights worth of pubs...

It's looking very likely we will introduce corporation tax, just a question of when.

What prayer would that be? To receive a vague answer regarding the implementation of corp taxation in Dust?

I guess it's safe to assume, not anytime before or during the period where it could be extremely useful? Like say, the launch of Uprising and PC.




I'm nitpicking...I apologize.

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That's per match...not to mention the district you own will make you money...

No, the real problem here is about the feeling of ownership. What is the main perk of defending. Worst, the ONLY perk of defending ? It's picking more or less when you will fight. With this insta-lock, it means the LOSER can strike back immediatly and fight at the time HE wants as he would be the one who set the RT.

This isnt a problem if you only attack district with a RT you like. But what are the odds the districts of interest all with a RT you like ? Low.

So, say you manage to find some players willing to be present at the time required to get that target district, and then win it. Why shouldnt you instantly get your perk of deciding when you would like to fight if the corp decide to strike back ? Or if anyone else decides to attack that district you just got ? How long would those willing players of yours be able to keep being here to defend ?

Nullarbor said it is to prevent people flipping a district and insta change RT to "Obscure TimeZones". Which i didnt get as someone's obscure timezone is someone's ideal one. And as long as you own, you should decide.
The point of preventing Day one massive flipping of RT is also very weak imo. We all know most districts taken day one wont be attacked until a few days. So the 24h lock will just be a delay before seeing a massive RT change. Among which there will be obscure TZ for me and others.

God, one shard universe or what ?

My point is : winner takes it all. No reason he should be limited in what he wants to do with HIS district.
And as i already said : It should be the opposite. a freshly taken district shouldnt be able to be attacked for 24H.


Finally, i red post from Devs saying "Raiding should be cool". Raiding a district... taking a district, then insta-selling all clones scorch earth style. isnt that ultimate raiding ? This locking stuff shuts down many possibilities. We'll see how boring it will be to just see districts flip and flip again. Killing all the persistence and ownership feeling.

Then i'd have no issue with that personally. I assumed it would be an attack 24 hours after the district flipped with zero clone regen meaning you'd only have 50 clones there still. I'm terrible at math.

All in all, the more i think about it the more i think you've made the right calls personally. I'm interested in a rough number for FW payouts per player though post patch to see how that's going to impact peoples Isk flow and possibly PC commitments.

Whats the best and worst case scenario for getting corp tax in? I think that would fix a lot of peoples issues right off the bat and even a very rough idea would make people more comfortable with things.

It's also past your bed time. Welp.

Also, Looking at things EVE side PC is going to take place in Black Rise/Aridia or Lonetrek. I hope it's the latter.

Taxes are not going to fly for a vast majority of Mercs I suspect. Mercs are actually real people and gamers at that. They play games to relax and one of their favorite things to do is to bend the rules; Of every single aspect of any game.

Don't be surprised when poor recruitment practices don't generate funds to operate PC.

Once taxes can be implemented expect a sudden reduction in membership for the Corp that chooses that option. That might not be true in countries outside of the US. But here, taxes will probably drive more players away than will actually help the Corp.

A system to track donations would make much more sense. That enables pride and bragging rights while taxes inspire revolution on this little piece of Old Earth.

Quick question. How exactly does a corp take over an enemy's district? MCC destruction or by killing all the clones?

I dont see how changing RT makes it a nap fest at all. It's a simple matter of "you own, you decide when to fight"
And i disagree with the "hey you managed to have dudes at that time ? ok, you always can then".

What about a corp using the week end to fight a corp at say 3am ? They manage to get the district winning two games in a row on friday night and saturday night. Then, comes the week and oh.... RL !!! Damn, didnt see that one coming....

Why should they then be compelled to defend their district for maybe another 4 days at 3 am despite the fact they own the place ? Doesnt make sense to me.

Go ahead : bla bla alliance, bla bla defence in one day. One thing : Video-game here !

And the snooze fest you fear could happen is already turned down by the huge advantage in clone evolution between fights attackers gets. Time of fight aint snooze fest. Even worse. Why go and attack an out of your TZ district knowing you'll have to then struggle to keep it due to not being able to change RT right away ? Many could end up thinking "not worth the trouble, just gonna be a hassle" and decide to not even make the effort of syncing with specific RT just once to conquer it.

This could virtually split the fights through TZs except for large corps with around the globe players. Still thinking it's a bad move.

Oh dear: got 2 likes too, amazing ...............................................

Thinking out loud here (probably many holes in this idea but lets start a discussion anyway). What if you decide you cannot play at the next attack window you could defer it until the following day but it extends the reinforce by an hour. Potentially stacking multiple times so you could push your reinforce out to say the weekend but over a longer window.

You would also need to sacrifice the clone regeneration and EVE bonuses for that time period.

The reason for the clone sacrifice would be to balance against the district only being vulnerable for attack once over a long window versus multiple times over the days you just skipped. Although there is probably a middle ground that could be met by having reduced generation rather than 0.

The other idea we have talked about is to prevent an attacker from re-attacking immediately if they lose. It would give defenders some breathing room if we find PC becoming too much of a grind but it would make conquering a district a lot more difficult since you basically need to win multiple consecutive attacks. We'll have a close eye on how all this plays out post launch to see if something like that is required.

So, according to the recent CAST 514 episode, CCP Foxfour indicated that all districts are going to start with a completely random reinforcement timer. My question is this: When the district is in an unlocked state and not being attacked or modified in any way, can a corporation THEN change the reinforcement timer, or are we stuck with that timer forever?