You gotta understand where I'm coming from. I'm an fps shooter that wants skill over everything else in the game. Most experienced shooters will agree that it is harder to hit someone when they are moving faster, therefore it takes more skill to hit someone while they are moving fast. We also need low bullet damage(which is pretty good in this game) so we can turn on the people with less skill then us.

Just because I'm strafing doesn't mean I'm not behind cover.

I'm still on the defense about tanks. I mean I can't really go anywhere because I will get destroyed by tanks. With dropships I'm 100% screwed because now i REALLY have nowhere to hide.

The go and destroy it yourself mentality has always been crap. If I was a completely awful fps I would gladly destroy all tanks and noobships. Since I try to specialize in killing people and going for and defending objectives, I can't really take out tanks or dropships. The tanks are more do-able with my remote explosives, but dropships are just insane. They were OP in Dark Night Rises, they are OP here.

not reading this entire argument but agree with proto on the 1st few pages of points he laid down

strafe speed last build was good, ppl sucked and cried cuz they couldnt hit **** and the strafe speed was the only thing that was gonna help even the odds on the whole ds3 vs kb/m but since its nerfed keyboard warriors will have the upper hand and yes slower strafe speed and movement speed generally makes ppl play more cautiously and camp more

You gotta understand where I'm coming from. I'm an fps shooter that wants skill over everything else in the game. Most experienced shooters will agree that it is harder to hit someone when they are moving faster, therefore it takes more skill to hit someone while they are moving fast. We also need low bullet damage(which is pretty good in this game) so we can turn on the people with less skill then us.

Just because I'm strafing doesn't mean I'm not behind cover.

I'm still on the defense about tanks. I mean I can't really go anywhere because I will get destroyed by tanks. With dropships I'm 100% screwed because now i REALLY have nowhere to hide.

The go and destroy it yourself mentality has always been crap. If I was a completely awful fps I would gladly destroy all tanks and noobships. Since I try to specialize in killing people and going for and defending objectives, I can't really take out tanks or dropships. The tanks are more do-able with my remote explosives, but dropships are just insane. They were OP in Dark Night Rises, they are OP here.

In playing with you, and some of the others top guys in the beta and prior experience, you simply CANT have a game based on pure skill. It sounds good to those who have it, but for everyone else, you essen5ially alienate probably 90% of the possible community, as those who arent to your skill level will probably lose 99/100 times.

Im not saying dumb it down, but it needs to be able to cater to a bigger community. This game already may take hits based on final graphis (as cod fanboys will compare it), the indepth game play and time required (as this generatiom is run bby12yr olds who want to run and gun and get all the OP gear ina day or two). By allowing to have at least the mechanics suit everyones needs, it will help the game in numbers.

As ive said in all my posts, i find the strafing to work fine now, as it gives u enough ability to dodge a few bullets and hit others. As need to remember, everyone should have a chance to wina gun fight, as you have guns/gear/skill to also affect outcomes. if not, you'll turn new people off to the game right away as what new person will say in a game where they have no chance to get a kill based on skills/game mechanics,/weaponary/gear?

Crimson, you clearly don't know what "bulky" means, so please stop using it or use it correctly.

"Bulky" means that something is large or takes up a lot of space. A big suitcase is bulky. A mattress is bulky. A heavy winter coat is bulky Gameplay is not.

In playing with you, and some of the others top guys in the beta and prior experience, you simply CANT have a game based on pure skill. It sounds good to those who have it, but for everyone else, you essen5ially alienate probably 90% of the possible community, as those who arent to your skill level will probably lose 99/100 times.

Im not saying dumb it down, but it needs to be able to cater to a bigger community. This game already may take hits based on final graphis (as cod fanboys will compare it), the indepth game play and time required (as this generatiom is run bby12yr olds who want to run and gun and get all the OP gear ina day or two). By allowing to have at least the mechanics suit everyones needs, it will help the game in numbers.

As ive said in all my posts, i find the strafing to work fine now, as it gives u enough ability to dodge a few bullets and hit others. As need to remember, everyone should have a chance to wina gun fight, as you have guns/gear/skill to also affect outcomes. if not, you'll turn new people off to the game right away as what new person will say in a game where they have no chance to get a kill based on skills/game mechanics,/weaponary/gear?

The 90% will only get outplayed 10% of the time. That seems fine to me. 99/100 times is just fail math on your part.

Actually it isnt failed math, i was saying by altering to cater to the needs of the elite u will alienate 90% of the community, which in no means equates to being out played 10% of the times. And my 99/100 means the elite 10% would beat the other 90% of the community 99% of the time if cater to the needs of the elite. In ANY game, you need to cater to the iddle, as it allows for more to play. And is just good business

Yet CCP wants listened to the cries of the minority and decides to add M+KB support.

Why would you ever cater to casuals? You're giving handouts and freebees to people who don't deserve it. Don't let CCP hold your hand like Treyarch and Infinity Ward do. This is what society has come to. A bunch of lazy people who expect to be gifted everything.

As far as the mechanics go. Dust is high health strafe and shoot fps. The strafe speed is really low and the health is really high.. (unless you are a scout.) This doesn't sit well with me. Health and strafe speed needs to be tweaked so the gun fights are a little bit smoother and gun game takes more skill. I'm not saying I want the health lowered. That would be a bad thing. I would like to see the strafe speed raised a little bit so that the game play runs smoother with how much health you have.

A lot of my gun fights turn into me aiming down sight holding R1 and getting a kill. If I strafe to much, it just takes the sight off the enemy. Allowing the target to hit me if he has good gun game. (of course you have to strafe in cqc.)

While dust itself might be deep and complex. The gun mechanics are not. A lot of people talk about the game being bulky but they can't really come up with a way to fix it or what the problem is.

Make this into a real strafe and shoot fps. What we are playing now just feels to slow and bulky.

who needs ADS?

skill up sharpshooter and hipfire all the way across the map.

seems legit.

I really enjoyed the strafiness of the last build, had a lot of fun fights. I think this build supports tactical group play a bit better(if only there was group play).

Two ways to nerf strafiness are lower lateral velocity and increased suit inertia. It feels like CCP adjusted both of these - slower speed and greater inertia. I think they could adjust them back just a bit toward what they were last build.

But to address the 'bulky' isssue: I think most of the bulky feel comes from poor controls, not reduced strafiness. Slow and inconsistent weapon swapping, the annoying wheel, slow 'nade tosses, inability to interrupt animations, losing sprint everytime you get airborne, losing scope when you reload, having to hit R1 twice because you pressed it before the animation completed, and more issues which we're all too familiar with.

Anyway, my point is fixing these thing would go a long way towards giving the game a lighter, sweeter feel.

Man I have to wonder how loud all these 'gun game' aficionados are going to cry once they add in stasis webs.

Semantics and nitpicking. Thanks for adding to the discussion.

I'm sorry, but after seeing you use the same word incorrectly dozens of times in one thread, I felt I had to point out that you don't know what the word means.

And no, it's not just semantics or nitpicking. I didn't know what the hell you meant, since that word makes no sense in that context. I had to try to figure out from context what you meant, and I'm still not entirely sure.

Yet CCP wants listened to the cries of the minority and decides to add M+KB support.

your complaining about not maintaining your scope when your reload? really?

Lurch, I know it seems ridiculously nitpicky, but it's like sprinting after catching air or pressing R1 a little too soon after reloading - the game doesn't register the button press. Plain and simple: bad control mechanics.

Lurch, I know it seems ridiculously nitpicky, but it's like sprinting after catching air or pressing R1 a little too soon after reloading - the game doesn't register the button press. Plain and simple: bad control mechanics.