In addition to what's been said above. The E3 build and it's slower gameplay has lead to a defensive style of play which favors camping and promotes redlining. Last build redlining could happen and it was much worse than what we have now considering you could basically sit right on top of people as they spawn into the game. However though it wasn't prevalent because the gameplay was fast enough that matches could end up in a real struggle.

who needs ADS?

skill up sharpshooter and hipfire all the way across the map.

seems legit.

So you are complaining basically that because it is easier to kill what you are actually aiming at with the improved (still not fixed) hit detection is a bad thing? Is that what I'm really reading? You seem to attribute no credit to the insanely open map. In case you forgot, it was trivially easy to box attackers into the craterlake spawn and butcher them mercilessly there, and that was back when dropships couldn't dodge swarms and no militia uplinks. I think you have a bad memory of last build, but saying the game is worse off due to improved hit detection simply blows my mind.

somebody said ADS and circle stafing were the same thing. I declared that "X" person lost and left the thread.

You're posts aren't taken seriously after you said ADS and circle strafing were the same thing. Please leave this thread kind sir cause you lost.

I'm still trying to figure this out.

Strafing gameplay:
Find fastest armor available
Find bullet hose gun with high DPS that's only good in CQC to medium range.
Dance around target while jumping like a sugar plumb fairy
Beg for increased hip firing accuracy

equals "better" gameplay? More "pro" gameplay? "superior" gamplay?

However, taking time to aim down sight, land 7 to 10 shots at center mass and register a kill from distance = "bad", "inferior", "camper", gameplay?

Sounds to me like the aforementioned "pro" FPS strafing style is for twitch ridden ADD 12 year olds and the latter would be for the adults in the room.

I really didn't want to come back to this beta until they did another build as I really don't like this map all that much. But if I have to keep coming back here to keep you circle strafing jag offs from turning this game into a run and gun POS like you want...if you want to turn this into MAG 2 + extra speed, then I'll make sure I stick around to offer a counterpoint.

Mojoe, Piggy, and the rest of the kills over wins, grims over hours, and KDR whores are what helped to kill off any kind of meta for that game and turned into a stale piece of garbage like every other FPS I've seen come down the pike.

I'd prefer not to see you idiots do it with this one too.

ADS = Advanced Dodging Skills?

I'm still trying to figure this out.

Strafing gameplay:
Find fastest armor available
Find bullet hose gun with high DPS that's only good in CQC to medium range.
Dance around target while jumping like a sugar plumb fairy
Beg for increased hip firing accuracy

equals "better" gameplay? More "pro" gameplay? "superior" gamplay?

However, taking time to aim down sight, land 7 to 10 shots at center mass and register a kill from distance = "bad", "inferior", "camper", gameplay?

Sounds to me like the aforementioned "pro" FPS strafing style is for twitch ridden ADD 12 year olds and the latter would be for the adults in the room.

Don't worry crimson its just ignorance.

not reading this entire argument but agree with proto on the 1st few pages of points he laid down

strafe speed last build was good, ppl sucked and cried cuz they couldnt hit **** and the strafe speed was the only thing that was gonna help even the odds on the whole ds3 vs kb/m but since its nerfed keyboard warriors will have the upper hand and yes slower strafe speed and movement speed generally makes ppl play more cautiously and camp more

lolno

Last build nothing worked and hit detection/frame rate issues and lag was through the ******* roof hence why scout suits never took damage and bunny hopped all over the ******* place

Even in this build hit detection is still off and scout suits benefit once again because of how fast they still move

The build is fine for me, speed is good and camping is mostly in vehicles tbh

ADS = Advanced Dodging Skills?

Damage grows faster than health and has a higher ceiling. So skill up is in fact the answer. Prototype vs prototype fights end faster than militia vs militia.

not for smgs those things are way up against proto suits. Not that I mind but with out dmg mods smgs are next to useless vs proto.

proto......

i dont even.......

no.


if you think circle strafing in open ground is good gun game you need to read tactics 101

if you think you should be able to ADS while running/strafing, read reality 101

if neither of these things is what you were implying in the above threads, sorry i just woke up

what part of being able to hold L1 and land 7 to 10 shots on a slow moving target takes skill?
holdin L1 and landing it on a fast moving target sure but slow? lol @ u
some of u ppl with little to no competitive fps knowledge and background talk like u know what represents skill in a shooter

KZ2 had the BEST use of ADS of ANY game yet
while alot of u think its "realistic" to be runnin with ur gun to ur face looking down the sights and being super accurate kz2 did it RIGHT....ADS was ONLY really useful when u stood STILL and for long range shots and u couldnt even spray u had to single shot or burst at mid range

also even tho we call it "hip fire" if u actually look at someones character who is not holding ADS the gun is actually NOT at their HIP but at their shoulder, so its more shoulder fire only lmgs and heavy weapons are actually by the hip and KZ2 was like this as well the gun was actually shoulder height

ima fix my earlier post by saying obviously you can run while ADS, but it sure wont be accurate.

Im a proud owner of 17 firearms and i can tell you you dont accurately shoot down the sight while running. Unless your a freaking spec ops killing machine.

Which, just to be argumentative at this point, DUST mercs are such freaking spec ops killing machines.

i was thinking that during my typing of the message and would agree.

im sure everyone would agree tho that ADS gunfights during a mutual circle strafe is shenanigans

If you were a spec ops killing machine, you wouldn't need to ADS while running...

One of my friends shot a clay pigeon from hip fire, and he was just trying to look cool. Imagine being trained with guns day in and day out... You'd be insane.