DUST Search - Lets talk game mechanics.

Lurchasaurus wrote:

Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:

Noc Tempre wrote:

xprotoman23 wrote:

In replication redlining was virtually nonexistent. (there were a few isolated occasions where it did happen, but that was one side might have been stacked with good players. Replication was fast and very in your face in terms of action. Tears started flowing on the forums that people were moving too fast and nobody would stay still so a care bear could get a kill. Generally speaking eveybody liked the strafing speeds because it gave the game identity and was different from every other game on the market that caters to ADS play.

CareBears claimed DUST was supposed to be this "tactical" team based shooter almost akin to something you would find in a SOCOM trailer.

E3 build comes gameplay is slowed down people can't strafe as well as they could last build. So what happens? Redlining happens. People quit out of games or resort to sniping behind the redline. Matches are one sided and this game becomes boring.

Redlining happens because Plateau snowballs to hell in the first 60 seconds and despite militia drop uplinks, somehow they get left with one spawn, and it is a very crappy spawn. It isn't the new speed, which is virtually identical except for heavies.

NO SIR REDLINING HAPPENS BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU USE TANKS AND THERE IS NO DEFENSE FOR THAT EXCEPT FOR SPECING OUT IN THINGS THAT ARE EITHER BORING OR TOO EXPENSIVE

omni go away

you dont have to YELL


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Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.07.30 23:42:00 - [1] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: In replication redlining was virtually nonexistent. (there were a few isolated occasions where it did happen, but that was one side might have been stacked with good players. Replication was fast and very in your face in terms of action. Tears started flowing on the forums that people were moving too fast and nobody would stay still so a care bear could get a kill. Generally speaking eveybody liked the strafing speeds because it gave the game identity and was different from every other game on the market that caters to ADS play. CareBears claimed DUST was supposed to be this "tactical" team based shooter almost akin to something you would find in a SOCOM trailer. E3 build comes gameplay is slowed down people can't strafe as well as they could last build. So what happens? Redlining happens. People quit out of games or resort to sniping behind the redline. Matches are one sided and this game becomes boring. Redlining happens because Plateau snowballs to hell in the first 60 seconds and despite militia drop uplinks, somehow they get left with one spawn, and it is a very crappy spawn. It isn't the new speed, which is virtually identical except for heavies. NO SIR REDLINING HAPPENS BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU USE TANKS AND THERE IS NO DEFENSE FOR THAT EXCEPT FOR SPECING OUT IN THINGS THAT ARE EITHER BORING OR TOO EXPENSIVE
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.07.30 23:48:00 - [2] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: In replication redlining was virtually nonexistent. (there were a few isolated occasions where it did happen, but that was one side might have been stacked with good players. Replication was fast and very in your face in terms of action. Tears started flowing on the forums that people were moving too fast and nobody would stay still so a care bear could get a kill. Generally speaking eveybody liked the strafing speeds because it gave the game identity and was different from every other game on the market that caters to ADS play. CareBears claimed DUST was supposed to be this "tactical" team based shooter almost akin to something you would find in a SOCOM trailer. E3 build comes gameplay is slowed down people can't strafe as well as they could last build. So what happens? Redlining happens. People quit out of games or resort to sniping behind the redline. Matches are one sided and this game becomes boring. Redlining happens because Plateau snowballs to hell in the first 60 seconds and despite militia drop uplinks, somehow they get left with one spawn, and it is a very crappy spawn. It isn't the new speed, which is virtually identical except for heavies. NO SIR REDLINING HAPPENS BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU USE TANKS AND THERE IS NO DEFENSE FOR THAT EXCEPT FOR SPECING OUT IN THINGS THAT ARE EITHER BORING OR TOO EXPENSIVE omni go away you dont have to YELL APOLOGIES I GET EMOTIONAL okay that was just caps lock
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.07.31 00:15:00 - [3] - Quote Higher strafe speed is a necessity. Just like having a gun or having a HUD.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.07.31 00:59:00 - [4] - Quote Understand that a high strafing speed makes a good game that takes skill. A realistic game would be really boring and take no skill. Two shots to kill everyone. One shot extremely wounded.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.07.31 01:38:00 - [5] - Quote MUDMASTEI2 wrote: JaZZa01 wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: Higher strafe speed is a necessity. Just like having a gun or having a HUD. not necessarily that is pure opinion. maybe CCP wants low strafe speed as a fundamental game mechanic Then CCP want the game to fail. Enjoy. JaZZa CCP wanting this game to fail is already evident by the fact the game is grind2win. +1 The faster they understand this is a fps, the more successful this game will be, and they will gain a more consistent player base.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.07.31 01:47:00 - [6] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: >>>>ADS shooter and circle strafing might as well be the same thing. I'm sorry but I am going to have trouble taking anything else you say after that seriously. I'm done here Noc Tempre lost , I bow down before your magnificence. . you should tbqh
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.07.31 02:01:00 - [7] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: >>>>ADS shooter and circle strafing might as well be the same thing. I'm sorry but I am going to have trouble taking anything else you say after that seriously. I'm done here Noc Tempre lost , I bow down before your magnificence. . you should tbqh LOL btw where is the real omnipotent one? Haven't seen him on the leader boards. zitro and lilmamaJ are moejoe wannabes. moejoe says he will not be playing dust until everything is fixed. He will not be playing until fpsers get their way. Until then, no moejoe :( he barely even signs in anymore.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.07.31 02:13:00 - [8] - Quote Don't worry he has something in store. Once the NDA is loosened, expect a vid.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.07.31 18:06:00 - [9] - Quote Don't worry crimson its just ignorance.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.07.31 19:58:00 - [10] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: ima fix my earlier post by saying obviously you can run while ADS, but it sure wont be accurate. Im a proud owner of 17 firearms and i can tell you you dont accurately shoot down the sight while running. Unless your a freaking spec ops killing machine. Which, just to be argumentative at this point, DUST mercs are such freaking spec ops killing machines. i was thinking that during my typing of the message and would agree. im sure everyone would agree tho that ADS gunfights during a mutual circle strafe is shenanigans I wouldn't... Well... Maybe... Shenanigans that takes skill

Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.07.31 20:39:00 - [11] - Quote You gotta understand where I'm coming from. I'm an fps shooter that wants skill over everything else in the game. Most experienced shooters will agree that it is harder to hit someone when they are moving faster, therefore it takes more skill to hit someone while they are moving fast. We also need low bullet damage(which is pretty good in this game) so we can turn on the people with less skill then us. Just because I'm strafing doesn't mean I'm not behind cover. I'm still on the defense about tanks. I mean I can't really go anywhere because I will get destroyed by tanks. With dropships I'm 100% screwed because now i REALLY have nowhere to hide. The go and destroy it yourself mentality has always been crap. If I was a completely awful fps I would gladly destroy all tanks and noobships. Since I try to specialize in killing people and going for and defending objectives, I can't really take out tanks or dropships. The tanks are more do-able with my remote explosives, but dropships are just insane. They were OP in Dark Night Rises, they are OP here.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.07.31 22:19:00 - [12] - Quote -1 for lack of fps understanding
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.01 00:16:00 - [13] - Quote Why would you ever cater to casuals? You're giving handouts and freebees to people who don't deserve it. Don't let CCP hold your hand like Treyarch and Infinity Ward do. This is what society has come to. A bunch of lazy people who expect to be gifted everything.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.01 20:37:00 - [14] - Quote Fast mobility promotes good gun game lurch. Come to the fps side lurch. We are more elite and we have cookies.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.01 21:10:00 - [15] - Quote 1. High strafe speed takes more skill because it is harder to hit someone who is strafing. This makes aiming harder to do, henceforth more skill. 2. These are forums trolling is the 1337 forumer's specialty.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.01 21:31:00 - [16] - Quote That means we look at things very differently. Strafing is to stop enemies from hitting you. If you want to run from your enemy you would want faster running speeds. Strafing is basically moving side to side.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.01 21:53:00 - [17] - Quote We aren't trying to make this game Quake Live. We want just a bit faster so it takes more skill for the 1v1's. It barely even matters to me because this weekend I will devote my booster and skill points to AV weaponry to show those nub munchkins who's boss.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.01 22:05:00 - [18] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: We aren't trying to make this game Quake Live. We want just a bit faster so it takes more skill for the 1v1's. It barely even matters to me because this weekend I will devote my booster and skill points to AV weaponry to show those nub munchkins who's boss. IKR I am tired of getting into a gunfight and it consists of me staring at the enemy while he stares at me and we both hold R1. Most of the time all you can do is hope you have more skill points. Standing in one place and holding R1 is epic game play yo. It gets my adrenaline going. Yeah... Very tactical game play indeed. Well crimson, sometimes the game gets really interesting and the hit detection fails me. And even though I have more gear and a better gun, he beats the stare-off with a militia AR. This is very rare, but I love losing 100,000 isk when it happens.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.01 22:11:00 - [19] - Quote Come on lurch. It has been said before this is not EvE. The hardcore fps players are good at all fps players and win even at disadvantages. Unfortunately this disadvantage is just way to extreme for even the best fpsers like moejoe to handle. Skill points should not be too major of an advantage that the person with the least amount of skill points spent gets effed in the butt. You know how many kills moejoe and protoman would be getting if this game consistently took skill(no tanks, no dropships, no spawn camping, high strafing speed)?
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.01 22:37:00 - [20] - Quote Your mentality on fps shows the amount of fps experience and skill, which makes you classify you as what I do. Everyone's always learning but I think very soon you will realize that the strafe speed being upped is the way to go. If this was a computer game I would listen to everything you say. Crimson, proto, regis, and I pretty much know what we are talking about with this one

Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.02 02:01:00 - [21] - Quote Yes!!! Mike for president
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.02 04:52:00 - [22] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: ....look just because someone wants something "different" for the game doesnt mean they havent been around the block or understand how these things work..... im speaking for myself, not some of the other kiddies tho..... Try "going around the block" with the right people and your views will change.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.02 05:05:00 - [23] - Quote I have said this before lurch. WE HAVE COOKIES
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.02 06:13:00 - [24] - Quote I don't see the good point. Dust at its standing right now plays very similarly to COD. "Scissors" is the only thing to bring to the table. Tanks aren't bringing anything to the table right now. They are being used to milk kills in the way that takes the least amount of skill possible right now. These objectives aren't mcdonalds drive thrus. You can't cap objectives from your tanks.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.02 06:22:00 - [25] - Quote Lack of fps experience test guy?
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.03 22:11:00 - [26] - Quote I've given up on this fight because if we get what we want, and CCP doesn't hold our hands, then the scrubs who don't have gun game will use vehicles to milk easy kills instead of getting better. I have lost all hope for this game.