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BF3 is a slow game and has better strafe speed than Dust at the moment.

Here's the disconnect.
Crimson and crew want you to understand that their talking about FPS mechanics at the most fundamental level. Increase movement speed, so that there is more involvement on the 1v1 level... They want to be able to recover from incoming fire and retaliate. Not, "oh I see you first, I'll shoot 3 bullets into you, without you being able to move much, and win"

IMO, the "different type of game" argument that Lurch and Noc are mentioning doesn't need to mean slow movement speed/tactical gameplay/etc. The "tactical" gameplay shouldn't be on the 1v1 level, but more on the macro level. Tactical gameplay mean the entire team playing with strategy and/or tactics.

This can still be done, giving Dust it's "different" gameplay, while maintaining the type of FPS that Crimson (and others of us) want.

One point I am compelled to bring up is be prepared to fight slower.

Yup. Slower. The reason being is Dust514 is not going to all be on planets with the same gravity, luminosity, temperature, weather, atmosphere, terrain, or environmental dangers. The hope as having been expressed by some devs is that Dust514 will be able to go nearly everywhere in the future.

Different gravity for each planet?

Then we will just take all the planets with the lowest gravities. Problem solved.


You guys can keep your tactical game play on your planet.

I hate to say this but the OP is trying to turn dust into something its not.

I adjusted my play style to the current as you put it "Bulky strafe mechanics" and you know what I noticed. I was fighting the way real troops do. Moving forward cautiously. Moving from cover to cover. Trying to check the map for intel. Moving with allies.

No one is running around the map pwning people with luck based spray and pray dodging. And personally I prefer it that way. Slower paced gives people a chance to strategize instead of: "OH I dodged more you loose!"

I wish I had a more constructive way of defending the current movement controls but that about sums up my feelings.

The OP continues to say the same thing over and over again: I dont prefer the current movement mechanics I want them to be faster paced."

Thats a request and an opinion not an argument.

Corban's post captures the crux of it.

I'm certain that the vocal minority's cry for a strafier, more mainstream fpsier dust are primarily motivated by a KDR farming playstyle. It allows for more lone wolfing, and demands less integrated, thoughtful, teamwork.

After months of trying to take their arguments seriously, for my money that's the beginning and the end of it.

Corban's post captures the crux of it.

I'm certain that the vocal minority's cry for a strafier, more mainstream fpsier dust are primarily motivated by a KDR farming playstyle. It allows for more lone wolfing, and demands less integrated, thoughtful, teamwork.

After months of trying to take their arguments seriously, for my money that's the beginning and the end of it.

I have a feeling you didn't even read the entire thread.

Run along children.

careful crimson, your tone is borderline douche lol

Faster strafe speeds has nothing to do with lone wolfing. Are you serious? The health makes it so you have to rely on your team. You can't just take on 7 people by yourself. Strafe speeds have nothing to do with it.

I have a feeling you didn't even read the entire thread.

Run along children.

WATCH 4V4 Halo 3 MLG footage and then tell me if high strafe speed creates lone wolfing

ITS CALLED TEAM SHOTS

WATCH 4V4 Halo 3 MLG footage and then tell me if high strafe speed creates lone wolfing

ITS CALLED TEAM SHOTS

....look just because someone wants something "different" for the game doesnt mean they havent been around the block or understand how these things work.....

im speaking for myself, not some of the other kiddies tho.....

Try "going around the block" with the right people and your views will change.

Here's the disconnect.
Crimson and crew want you to understand that their talking about FPS mechanics at the most fundamental level. Increase movement speed, so that there is more involvement on the 1v1 level... They want to be able to recover from incoming fire and retaliate. Not, "oh I see you first, I'll shoot 3 bullets into you, without you being able to move much, and win"

IMO, the "different type of game" argument that Lurch and Noc are mentioning doesn't need to mean slow movement speed/tactical gameplay/etc. The "tactical" gameplay shouldn't be on the 1v1 level, but more on the macro level. Tactical gameplay mean the entire team playing with strategy and/or tactics.

This can still be done, giving Dust it's "different" gameplay, while maintaining the type of FPS that Crimson (and others of us) want.

Define team fire before it ends up like "ADS"

I have said this before lurch. WE HAVE COOKIES

I understand what they want. I merely reject their conclusions on what it will achieve.

1) Vs KBM - I disagree strongly, to the point I am convinced this is a scare tactic line that hasn't actually been thought about at all. Slower speeds mean less importance on moving your cursor extremely fast which translates into a smaller benefit to less of an imbalance.
2) Reward Skill - I counter there are two kinds of skill being discusses here, and confusing them is leading to a lot of problems. Yes there is skill to reflexes and gunplay and other split-second decisions. But it is not the ONLY skill that matters. I don't think it improves gameplay if the guy with more gun skill will be able to turn around and kill the guy with the stronger position (no matter how he got it, even if it was luck or "being cheap"). I understand the other argument, I just don't accept it.

So yes, my definition of rewarding intelligent play means I believe the guy shooting from behind should force the gungame guy to dive for cover before attempting to engage. If he does successfully get around that corner, the decision should be between reversing the trap, dragging it out until you have recovered shields, or finding allies to outnumber. At no point do I see the ability to skip all those steps by turning around and juking to victory adding more room for different strategies. In fact, in my opinion, it seems to neutralize most strategies.

DUST is clearly trying to cater to the cerebral shooter. While both twitch based play and tactics based play should cohabitate, a decision about who wins in the extreme match up of good gun skills vs good tactics is going to be controversial to the side that the game punishes. So yes, there are games, great games, that will let good skills win the vast majority of their fights irregardless of the "opening", but at the time, I don't think that is DUST.

On a side note: DUST business strategy clearly wants everyone to be going through lots and lots of clones and equipment to make AUR items appear more attractive while also making even an attempt at pay to win skyrocket into the hundreds of dollars a month - a level where it would be absurd to believe large numbers of people will be able to influence or unbalance the game this way.

2). Reward camping-There are two kinds of skill. You want to reward the one that takes less. Yeah I gotcha. Reward people that camp in corners and head glitch because they don't have the gun game to take on the person that is better then them at shooting/strafing.

Really so you want defensive campy game play to trump actual skill.

I want you to go play CoD for 8 hours and you will see exactly whats wrong with that statement.

Have you ever played CoD? Lots of tactical gameplay and camping/positioning. You would love it.

2). Reward camping-There are two kinds of skill. You want to reward the one that takes less. Yeah I gotcha. Reward people that camp in corners and head glitch because they don't have the gun game to take on the person that is better then them at shooting/strafing.

Really so you want defensive campy game play to trump actual skill.

I want you to go play CoD for 8 hours and you will see exactly whats wrong with that statement.

Have you ever played CoD? Lots of tactical gameplay and camping/positioning. You would love it.