It is a problem in CoD because no matter how good you play, there is no way to control the map. There are no lines of battle, only random chaos from any direction at any time, which is why that game would benefit from skill allowing dodging of bullets.

I HATE COD. Nothing but campers and random deaths galore. DUST plays nothing like that at the moments, with the exception of the broken defense spawn on plateau, which is easily avoided, albeit very hard to break.

The fact that you are saying one kind of "true skill" is making it very clear you have no idea what you're on about. Balance is moot, you just want to buff scissors since that's the only thing you bring to the table.

It is a problem in CoD because no matter how good you play, there is no way to control the map. There are no lines of battle, only random chaos from any direction at any time, which is why that game would benefit from skill allowing dodging of bullets.

I HATE COD. Nothing but campers and random deaths galore. DUST plays nothing like that at the moments, with the exception of the broken defense spawn on plateau, which is easily avoided, albeit very hard to break.

The fact that you are saying one kind of "true skill" is making it very clear you have no idea what you're on about. Balance is moot, you just want to buff scissors since that's the only thing you bring to the table.

It is a problem in CoD because no matter how good you play, there is no way to control the map. There are no lines of battle, only random chaos from any direction at any time, which is why that game would benefit from skill allowing dodging of bullets.

I HATE COD. Nothing but campers and random deaths galore. DUST plays nothing like that at the moments, with the exception of the broken defense spawn on plateau, which is easily avoided, albeit very hard to break.

The fact that you are saying one kind of "true skill" is making it very clear you have no idea what you're on about. Balance is moot, you just want to buff scissors since that's the only thing you bring to the table.

You must not be playing COD right if you don't know how to Spawn Trap/Choke. COD is a game of positioning and forcing your opponents spawn. It honestly has little to do with twitch reactions. It's more about setting up and controlling the map. The best COD players aren't going to run around looking for kills seeing as they'll choke you into a kill funnel and proceed to drop killstreaks.

It doesn't take much skill to spawn trap and force spawns in COD or any other game that has similar randomized spawning.

It was one of those "advanced dodging skill" moments.

I almost couldn't believe he said there is no such thing as map control in CoD. Losing swag and credibility post after post noc.

It is a problem in CoD because no matter how good you play, there is no way to control the map. There are no lines of battle, only random chaos from any direction at any time, which is why that game would benefit from skill allowing dodging of bullets.

I HATE COD. Nothing but campers and random deaths galore. DUST plays nothing like that at the moments, with the exception of the broken defense spawn on plateau, which is easily avoided, albeit very hard to break.

In actual battles, money and numbers will be the most important issue. I don't think how you want 1v1 to play out really matters.

Plus I think tactics should be emphasized over twitch reflexes. There are plenty of other FPSes that emphasize individual skill and epeen. If you want duels that pit your twitch reflex "skill" directly against someone else's, maybe you should play one of them.

I think slower movement speed is better because it makes tactics, cover use, and combined arms (ie: vehicles, orbital strikes, etc) more important. If you are moving around out of cover in front of the enemy, you should die. If you want to attack an defending enemy, you should be forced to use flanking, vehicle support, artillery, orbital strikes or whatever instead of just being able to strafe faster than they can aim.

I do think that fast "speed-tanking" fittings should be possible, but they should require lots of specialization and be otherwise balanced.

I don't see the good point. Dust at its standing right now plays very similarly to COD. "Scissors" is the only thing to bring to the table. Tanks aren't bringing anything to the table right now. They are being used to milk kills in the way that takes the least amount of skill possible right now.
These objectives aren't mcdonalds drive thrus. You can't cap objectives from your tanks.

In actual battles, money and numbers will be the most important issue. I don't think how you want 1v1 to play out really matters.

Plus I think tactics should be emphasized over twitch reflexes. There are plenty of other FPSes that emphasize individual skill and epeen. If you want duels that pit your twitch reflex "skill" directly against someone else's, maybe you should play one of them.

I think slower movement speed is better because it makes tactics, cover use, and combined arms (ie: vehicles, orbital strikes, etc) more important. If you are moving around out of cover in front of the enemy, you should die. If you want to attack an defending enemy, you should be forced to use flanking, vehicle support, artillery, orbital strikes or whatever instead of just being able to strafe faster than they can aim.

I do think that fast "speed-tanking" fittings should be possible, but they should require lots of specialization and be otherwise balanced.

Tactics are emphasized more then skill. Way more atm. There needs to be a good meduim. Not just camping and heaglitching gets me kill HERP A DERP.

Headglitching is a pretty fancy word for "using cover". I've yet to see any instance of shooting through walls at while only exposing the head. Heavies have an issue with shooting at the same height as an AR, but that's merely disorienting as a bug, not game-breaking.

Headglitching is a pretty fancy word for "using cover". I've yet to see any instance of shooting through walls at while only exposing the head. Heavies have an issue with shooting at the same height as an AR, but that's merely disorienting as a bug, not game-breaking.

i also want to make it clear from here on out that the only game type i play on dust is skirmish.......just a heads up. dont really care about TDM, otherwise id play a diff game. i want the complexities....fair enough?

Head glitching is not shooting through walls. Its hiding behind a crate or cover with only your head exposed and killing people.

I have seen plenty of people "using cover" and just popping their head out. Especially on communication.

Please tell me more about how there is no map control in CoD.

Proving my point. Smart use of angles is not a glitch. The only true headglitch is where you can clip through a wall and truly only show the head. Seems like you just have a fundamental issue with cover in a shooting game.

Lack of fps experience test guy?

I never thought otherwise. The whole "wanting a complex game while wanting simple game mechanics" was more or less just to get my point across. I know you want a complex game.

cool

we understand each other then. i hope you hold the same kind of respect for me and my experience in games as i allow you. shoving credentials on a forum is douchier than douchy and you can really only tell if someone knows what they are talking about by reading their posts without the fanboyism....from either side.

mechanics for ambush are one thing, but gameplay in skirmish is a completely different beast. Thats why im so excited for Dust, cause as a long time gamer, i feel like im finally getting something that can actually pose a challenge again. Dark souls was a piece of cake....almost a let down....

sorry if i sounded like i was tooting my own horn there, wasnt the intention. just saying im looking forward to some serious corp battles.

Also, you better win in the arena cause ima bet money on you crimson and you better win. Im gonna use your sorry hide for making a profit mwahahahaha

It is a problem in CoD because no matter how good you play, there is no way to control the map. There are no lines of battle, only random chaos from any direction at any time, which is why that game would benefit from skill allowing dodging of bullets.

I HATE COD. Nothing but campers and random deaths galore. DUST plays nothing like that at the moments, with the exception of the broken defense spawn on plateau, which is easily avoided, albeit very hard to break.

The fact that you are saying one kind of "true skill" is making it very clear you have no idea what you're on about. Balance is moot, you just want to buff scissors since that's the only thing you bring to the table.

Understand that a high strafing speed makes a good game that takes skill. A realistic game would be really boring and take no skill. Two shots to kill everyone. One shot extremely wounded.

I cba with this. I've talked about it all in too many threads.

If a tactic is good, why does movement speed make your tactic suddenly not work? Oh because you didn't adapt what your doing to how te enemy countered you? Oh ok... Were you just camping and got out done? Ok then.
If you say slow game = tactics your wrong.
Unforgiving games = tactics. See any 1 hit kill game played at a competative level.
And if you aren't using your shield to eat bullets, your doung it wrong. (wtf else is a shield for derp derp).

The bottom line is high health & regen do not go hand in hand with tactical shooters (you cover that objective, an watch as I just eat your sniper fire with my shields. LoL snipers and LoL tactics in Dust currently.)

Unforgiving games = tactics. See any 1 hit kill game played at a competative level.