Oh I know they couldn't put these modes in. Can't have clones without respawn. I'm just making the point that the mechanics will not support the tactics people are talking about.

We still havnt seen all the skills and mods they plan to put in like EWAR

I cba with this. I've talked about it all in too many threads.

If a tactic is good, why does movement speed make your tactic suddenly not work? Oh because you didn't adapt what your doing to how te enemy countered you? Oh ok... Were you just camping and got out done? Ok then.
If you say slow game = tactics your wrong.
Unforgiving games = tactics. See any 1 hit kill game played at a competative level.
And if you aren't using your shield to eat bullets, your doung it wrong. (wtf else is a shield for derp derp).

The bottom line is high health & regen do not go hand in hand with tactical shooters (you cover that objective, an watch as I just eat your sniper fire with my shields. LoL snipers and LoL tactics in Dust currently.)

You mean like STASIS WEBIFIERS that slow down all movement by 40% to 90%.

Have fun strafing when hit by one of those.

FPS with low TTK, near OHK, are the most difficult FPS.
Being able to survive more bullets essential grants you 1 thing in FPS: more time to think.
The more time to think you have while being shot the easier the game because you can escape that situation
Bunny Hopping is only possible in FPS that have very high TTK: if I try to bunny hop in KZ I die, no way I can make silly COD 360 or Halo jumping!

I am all for FPS with a very low TTK but still Dust 514 isn't' this FPS and I accept it, but do not advertise it as a very demanding FPS with emphasis of tactics because it has little.
Want tactics: give me a command wheel as in Rainbow Six or Ghost Recon (not Future Soldier) or even BF3.
I requested that for non mic players, which are the majority in FPS, and I was ignored.

Templar... Something I think you, and Tony, have failed to grasp is that tactics doesn't apply solely to gun game and fights. It will apply to battlefield placement, sneaking stealthily behind enemy lines to cap CRU's and objective points, luring enemy to one place so your team can occupy another, area denial, etc.

That is what makes DUST tactical, not all that bunny hopping, surviving for longer, whatever. It's a team game, not solo.

No, I've just given up playing or providing statistical feedback. When I actually did I have people making insane statements to disprove me.
7ppl vs 1 HAV = balanced.
Being 100% superior to someone in same gear due to SP difference is balanced
Spawn camping shoul be part of the game
These are all things I've sen here and provided evidence against. But apparently it's a BETA so my opinions dont count and I should adapt to bad physics and poor game play.

Your right. I have stopped playing (pop on when I'm bored maybe).
I'd like Dust to be good. But if web idiots make scouts move at 0.5m (5m -90% as someone above said) then it'll jut be a campin game. It already is to an extent.

Last build was superior except or frame rate and hit detection. Map, gameplay, enjoyment, game mode, forgegun :) Only thing that wasn't cool was the swarm launcher.

I'll leave the forums when I get banned for spamming/offensive or whatever. But while I'm not banned, expect me to treat everyone like turds, because your talking **** when I provide figures for an argument, and get told "go back to CoD" "adapt or die" "it's beta".

have you ever played a clan match in a shooter?

Spawn camping shouldn't, and won't, be part of the game. CCP have said they're working on making spawn placement random.

I have. Have you ever played a game where killing wasn't the sole objective?

First: randomization isn't actually possible: no algorithm has been created on this planet that can actually deliver true randomization.
Mathematicians have been trying to deliver a true randomization algorithm and failed, even MIT mathematicians.

Second: random spawn around pre-determined points, CRU in this case, have been used in countless of FPS and they all have that have Spawn-camping.

The only system that it's spawn-camping proof is "free spawning" where players decide where to spawn on the map.
Section 8 has it and it's the only FOS that doesn't have Spawn camping, like the game or not.

@Snake
Stop being a ****** snake. You know as well as I do that provided you have hands which move and eyes that see, SP is more important than actual ability. Give 2 militia guys same gear, the one with +30% damage and 50%ehp ha a massive advantage. Why are you saying they don't? You've got over 22 mil SP. Sounds like your out of touch with things.

Right, but that's pretty standard in FPS. A miss is a miss. Now how is 30% damage and 50% health not a massive advantage? My original point was that you guys focused on these little examples. Which you are. And not the fact that no-one gives a decent, explaination.
I'm quite beyond caring.

I have 26mil with about 2mil unused

If you cant aim you wont kill them, 30% means **** all if you dont hit them because you cause 0 damage

0 damage if you cant aim