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In replication redlining was virtually nonexistent. (there were a few isolated occasions where it did happen, but that was one side might have been stacked with good players. Replication was fast and very in your face in terms of action. Tears started flowing on the forums that people were moving too fast and nobody would stay still so a care bear could get a kill. Generally speaking eveybody liked the strafing speeds because it gave the game identity and was different from every other game on the market that caters to ADS play.

CareBears claimed DUST was supposed to be this "tactical" team based shooter almost akin to something you would find in a SOCOM trailer.

E3 build comes gameplay is slowed down people can't strafe as well as they could last build. So what happens? Redlining happens. People quit out of games or resort to sniping behind the redline. Matches are one sided and this game becomes boring.

Plateau's is a flawed map, but redlining is what happens when gameplay is slowed down.

MAG 2.0 beta vs. 2.0 retail is a prime example of this.

MAG 2.0 beta gameplay was incredibly fast and most games really felt like a true struggle. People begin to QQ and cry about gameplay being too fast for them although it catered to both players that can't do anything but ADS and also those that like to both hipfire and ADS.

MAG 2.0 retail rolls around and redlining is alive and well.

When gameplay is slowed down players play much more defensively and allows for people to camp much easier.

Personally, i find the strafe speed to be good at this point, as last build you were able to strafe ads to fast, as idk if anyone here actually has done that, but u cant run and stafe while ads fast like you could build. This build allowes good strafe speed for hipfire and reduced for ads firing which it should. Either skill into a scout suit to get upclose and hipfire or make each shot count while adsNot saying dont have skill, as have seen u play, but i think movement speed is actually one of the things i find that work really well

If you can create "virtual cover" just by wagging back and forth on the left thumbstick, then 90% of the map design is just backdrop for your "elite'" gunfights. We have mixed arms and cover, and sprint mods. You are SIGNIFICANTLY more stable from a nearly immobile stance, but no prone. This means they want good mobility between fights, but you shouldn't be dodging bullets unless you are scout vs heavy. And even then one mistake and the scout is spaghetti. You don't have to like it, but crossing open terrain is supposed to be very dangerous. That is why the defender spawn in Plateau is SO bad - completely open without cover.

Realism arguments are negated since we are playing a scifi shooter with regenerating shield, lasers, and armor. When it comes to videogames gameplay trumps realism unless you are looking for authenticity. If CCP was looking for realism when I shoot at the treads on a tank after a certain damage threshold it should become immobile and even inoperable. Or when I drop gets shot in one of the thrusters it loses handling.

Shielding is cover in this game.

Slower game speeds has promoted the pile of crap that has been the E3 build of this game.

Make this into a real strafe and shoot fps. What we are playing now just feels to slow and bulky.

In addition to what's been said above. The E3 build and it's slower gameplay has lead to a defensive style of play which favors camping and promotes redlining. Last build redlining could happen and it was much worse than what we have now considering you could basically sit right on top of people as they spawn into the game. However though it wasn't prevalent because the gameplay was fast enough that matches could end up in a real struggle.

I'm still trying to figure this out.

Strafing gameplay:
Find fastest armor available
Find bullet hose gun with high DPS that's only good in CQC to medium range.
Dance around target while jumping like a sugar plumb fairy
Beg for increased hip firing accuracy

equals "better" gameplay? More "pro" gameplay? "superior" gamplay?

However, taking time to aim down sight, land 7 to 10 shots at center mass and register a kill from distance = "bad", "inferior", "camper", gameplay?

Sounds to me like the aforementioned "pro" FPS strafing style is for twitch ridden ADD 12 year olds and the latter would be for the adults in the room.

I really didn't want to come back to this beta until they did another build as I really don't like this map all that much. But if I have to keep coming back here to keep you circle strafing jag offs from turning this game into a run and gun POS like you want...if you want to turn this into MAG 2 + extra speed, then I'll make sure I stick around to offer a counterpoint.

Mojoe, Piggy, and the rest of the kills over wins, grims over hours, and KDR whores are what helped to kill off any kind of meta for that game and turned into a stale piece of garbage like every other FPS I've seen come down the pike.

I'd prefer not to see you idiots do it with this one too.

You gotta understand where I'm coming from. I'm an fps shooter that wants skill over everything else in the game. Most experienced shooters will agree that it is harder to hit someone when they are moving faster, therefore it takes more skill to hit someone while they are moving fast. We also need low bullet damage(which is pretty good in this game) so we can turn on the people with less skill then us.

Just because I'm strafing doesn't mean I'm not behind cover.

I'm still on the defense about tanks. I mean I can't really go anywhere because I will get destroyed by tanks. With dropships I'm 100% screwed because now i REALLY have nowhere to hide.

The go and destroy it yourself mentality has always been crap. If I was a completely awful fps I would gladly destroy all tanks and noobships. Since I try to specialize in killing people and going for and defending objectives, I can't really take out tanks or dropships. The tanks are more do-able with my remote explosives, but dropships are just insane. They were OP in Dark Night Rises, they are OP here.

The 90% will only get outplayed 10% of the time. That seems fine to me. 99/100 times is just fail math on your part.

while i also acknowlege Crimson's point, i want to note that Noc had a good point as far as Dust demanding a different style of play.

OH MY GOD YES.

they know about FPS's, ill give them that, but they refuse to accept that Dust will have a unique playstyle that might force them to play a little differently.

Faster strafe speeds has nothing to do with lone wolfing. Are you serious? The health makes it so you have to rely on your team. You can't just take on 7 people by yourself. Strafe speeds have nothing to do with it.

I have a feeling you didn't even read the entire thread.

Run along children.

2). Reward camping-There are two kinds of skill. You want to reward the one that takes less. Yeah I gotcha. Reward people that camp in corners and head glitch because they don't have the gun game to take on the person that is better then them at shooting/strafing.

Really so you want defensive campy game play to trump actual skill.

I want you to go play CoD for 8 hours and you will see exactly whats wrong with that statement.

Have you ever played CoD? Lots of tactical gameplay and camping/positioning. You would love it.

You must not be playing COD right if you don't know how to Spawn Trap/Choke. COD is a game of positioning and forcing your opponents spawn. It honestly has little to do with twitch reactions. It's more about setting up and controlling the map. The best COD players aren't going to run around looking for kills seeing as they'll choke you into a kill funnel and proceed to drop killstreaks.

It doesn't take much skill to spawn trap and force spawns in COD or any other game that has similar randomized spawning.

Tactics are emphasized more then skill. Way more atm. There needs to be a good meduim. Not just camping and heaglitching gets me kill HERP A DERP.

Headglitching is a pretty fancy word for "using cover". I've yet to see any instance of shooting through walls at while only exposing the head. Heavies have an issue with shooting at the same height as an AR, but that's merely disorienting as a bug, not game-breaking.

have you ever played a clan match in a shooter?

Just to throw in a quick fact.
Guild Wars2 is a RPG and it has PVP that doesn't rely on stats & gear.

Why Dust 514, that is a PVP FPS, wants to rely so much on stats & gear while Guild Wars is going the other way around?
Why Guild Wars 2 understand the stupidity of stats & gear in a PVP game and Dust doesn't?

EVE doesn't have any FPS mechanics

Shooting mechanics in EVE are complex spread sheet algorithms and setting your phazors to kill, while folding your laundry.

They were far from OP to begin with but the jav didnt work at all so it was RPG or nothing really but then the jav got a buff and tanks got a nerf

All it needed was for the jav to work and it would have been fine tbh, the tanks had a weak spot to begin with but now they are useless

You REALLY want to go down this road with me Mike Gunnzito? Hmmm?
Let us pretend your not just arguing debate club tactics to simply do so.

IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW FAST THE GUY WAS/IS! But you already knew that, right?
It may have been lag + no hit detection, But that really isn't the point either, and you already knew that to huh.
And yes even though it's in the future blah blah blah etc cliche, i DO expect the GAME MECHASNICS to have a semblance of reality.

But like i said, i'll just wait until the new build drops before i start digging in at the game.