not reading this entire argument but agree with proto on the 1st few pages of points he laid down

strafe speed last build was good, ppl sucked and cried cuz they couldnt hit **** and the strafe speed was the only thing that was gonna help even the odds on the whole ds3 vs kb/m but since its nerfed keyboard warriors will have the upper hand and yes slower strafe speed and movement speed generally makes ppl play more cautiously and camp more

Unforgiving games = tactics. See any 1 hit kill game played at a competative level.

You mean like STASIS WEBIFIERS that slow down all movement by 40% to 90%.

Have fun strafing when hit by one of those.

No, I've just given up playing or providing statistical feedback. When I actually did I have people making insane statements to disprove me.
7ppl vs 1 HAV = balanced.
Being 100% superior to someone in same gear due to SP difference is balanced
Spawn camping shoul be part of the game
These are all things I've sen here and provided evidence against. But apparently it's a BETA so my opinions dont count and I should adapt to bad physics and poor game play.

Your right. I have stopped playing (pop on when I'm bored maybe).
I'd like Dust to be good. But if web idiots make scouts move at 0.5m (5m -90% as someone above said) then it'll jut be a campin game. It already is to an extent.

Last build was superior except or frame rate and hit detection. Map, gameplay, enjoyment, game mode, forgegun :) Only thing that wasn't cool was the swarm launcher.

I'll leave the forums when I get banned for spamming/offensive or whatever. But while I'm not banned, expect me to treat everyone like turds, because your talking **** when I provide figures for an argument, and get told "go back to CoD" "adapt or die" "it's beta".

@Snake
Stop being a ****** snake. You know as well as I do that provided you have hands which move and eyes that see, SP is more important than actual ability. Give 2 militia guys same gear, the one with +30% damage and 50%ehp ha a massive advantage. Why are you saying they don't? You've got over 22 mil SP. Sounds like your out of touch with things.

Right, but that's pretty standard in FPS. A miss is a miss. Now how is 30% damage and 50% health not a massive advantage? My original point was that you guys focused on these little examples. Which you are. And not the fact that no-one gives a decent, explaination.
I'm quite beyond caring.

So for you being a bullet sponge (high TTK), having shield and HP that re-gen make a FPS hard.

A FPS that protects you isn't hard: it's easy!
When a FPS in unforgiving, when few deciseconds of distraction cost you death, when few bullets can kill you it's hard not when it covers you ass with all sort of health regenerative nonsense and armors/shields that can absorb bullets like a sponge.

I have time to react/think in Halo or Dust when I am shot at: how can that be harder compered to a FPS that demands super fast reaction or you die.
In low TTK FPS you don't have the luxury of thinking about "where to side side strafe" or "to switch to the secondary weapon" after 3 bullets hit your chest or your head.
Requiring super fast reflexes are the elements that made a fps hard FPS not side strafing or letting shields delay death so that I can think about what I have to do!

The quality of a soldier in rel life is measured on how quickly he ca react BEFORE he gets 3 bullets his his chest not AFTER he got them.
FPS that aimed to deliver "Real life" experience are hard, not FPS where you can rocketjump of shields absorb bullets.

Don't mistake Hard to kill for "hard".
Dark Souls is a hard VG not because it takes a lot of time to kill a boss, but because it take little time to be killed.

Dust 514, on the FPS side, doesn't offer anything that PlanetSide din't do already in 9 years ago or BF 2142.
What Dust 514 is offering is access to the EVE universe.

Now BF 3 is a military FPS so going down easy it's essentially intended.
Also BF is not easy on vehicles, objectively not as much as Dust 514; in Dust 514 vehicles don't have weak spots, can self repair, have shields shields + you get SP that improve vehicles...it's really, really giving you a lot of help.
Maybe BF for you it's frustrating, or simply you don't like that kind of FPS but it's supposed to be easier to die there because it's a military FPS.

COD despite the low TTK is also cheapened by: lack of recoil, killstreaks, killcam, autoaim, minimap, etc...
Dust actually takes lot from COD: mini map, perma spotting, killstreaks (war points), perks (SP)

Now, I never said I don't accept Dust 514 TTK.
I favor low TTK FPS but I enjoy perfectly high TTK shooters...simply I don't think it' right to call Dust a very skill demanding FPS, not wit so many arcade FPS mechanics.

I like what they did with most of the vehicles after the patching. The vehicles became what they SHOULD be in a FPS... SUPPORT! Prior to patch, one good tank driver could DOMINATE a match, even if there were several decent engis trying to take him out. After patch, they were still relatively strong, but could not just bull their way through a match if the opposing team had a couple good engis. Making them a good support piece in a match, but not the OP game piece they were at BF's launch.

You're complaining about the Jav doing what it's supposed to do? It still takes two shots from a jav to destroy it by then the driver or gunner can get out and repair it lets not forget the javs loooong reload speed. Why do you think most engineers prefer the rpg's to the jav. it's easier and takes 3 shoots, reloads faster than the jav and if you get behind them you can completely take them out!