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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.09.12 16:47:00 -
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Every day, I skip over a half dozen "port naow" threads while looking for something worth reading in GD. It occurred to me last night that the lowest moment in Dust's history ... the infamous Rouge Wedding ... was in fact a port announcement!
More content.
Better graphics.
Better framework.
Fewer middlemen.
Presumably less lag.
Larger potential playerbase.
... and we freakin' crucified the dude. All on account of bad timing. If Rouge waltzed in and announced and demonstrated today the very same thing he announced in 2014, we'd hail him as hero and savior.
Amiright? |
VAHZZ
RabbitSwarm
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Posted - 2015.09.12 16:49:00 -
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"I fear all you have done is awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." - The Butts
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Press Attache
The Office of The Attorney General
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Posted - 2015.09.12 16:50:00 -
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Won't believe in a port until I see it.
I am on a strict do not trust, verify basis with CCP.
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Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization
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Posted - 2015.09.12 16:54:00 -
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But the majority of the playerbase does not want to play on PC.
Now, if he announces DUST or Legion for PS4, it'll be all aboard the hype train.
BPO Trade Stall
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.09.12 17:00:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:While skipping over the "port naow" posts looking for something worth reading in GD, it occurred to me that the lowest moment in Dust's history -- the infamous Rouge Wedding -- was in fact nothing short of a port announcement!
More content.
Sexier graphics.
Better framework.
Fewer middlemen.
Presumably less lag.
Larger potential playerbase.
Etc ...
... and we freakin' crucified the dude.
If Rouge waltzed in today and announced the very same thing he announced in 2014, we'd hail him as hero and savior.
Amiright?
No, the reason we "freakin' crucified the dude" was because he announced that they were basically ditching not only our community but all of our progress in Dust and moving to PC.
None of the Round Tables where they confirmed that our progress would be kept and that this was actually aimed at the current playerbase were streamed on Twitch.
Therefore the only thing seen by all of us watching the stream and not in attendance in Iceland was that we were all being ditched in exchange for the PC crowd while the Twitch chat was spammed with "PC MASTER RACE" and how all of us who currently play the game never deserved it in the first place.
THAT is why we all got pissed.
Personally, I went down to my PS3, logged into Dust, and ranted with my Corp members for almost 10 minutes straight before I finally calmed down enough to come back upstairs and watch more of the stream.
I still firmly believe that the acceptable platform migration is to PS4 because this game already has an honestly fanatically dedicated community on PSN and many of those people don't own a gaming PC or even a PC of sufficient strength to play this game were it to be mirgrated, thereby necessitating that they either spend at least $600-$800 (Don't even come at me with that $400 gaming PC bullshit, because we all know it's just that) to acquire a PC just to play this game, or else they're just out of luck.
Upgrading to the next console has been a reality of console gaming for years, and you'd have a damn hard time finding anyone who currently still owns a PS3 who would be mad about the game moving up to PS4 for the sake of improvement and more content. That's what console games do, and have done since consoles were first made.
I think CCP's original concept of creating a New Eden themed game for console gamers to bring a brand new group of gamers into the New Eden world was an excellent idea, and I don't think they should ditch that just because it's easier. Since when does CCP not do things the hard way just to show that they can? Seems to have worked pretty well for EVE Online so far.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Starlight Burner
Black Screen
Adaptation.
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Posted - 2015.09.12 17:03:00 -
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No, that is not what was announced.
What was announced was DUST514 was being moved to PC. At that current time, the DUST player base was probably 65/35 Console to PC players. Yes, we told CCP from the beginning that DUST514 is not a console game, they should go ahead and move it to PC back in Beta. They refused to or already had too much time invested and marched on. Which therefore established the console player majority player base.
CCP turned their back on the core playerbase that suffered through 3 years of torment. Doing so, resulted in lighting a flame feel of betrayal.
If CCP had announced Legion to be coming to PC and PS4, there wouldn't be any rioting or flames; however, CCP didn't and I agree with the hatred movement from the players against CCP, at that time.
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
6
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Posted - 2015.09.12 17:08:00 -
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Starlight Burner wrote:No, that is not what was announced.
What was announced was DUST514 was being moved to PC. At that current time, the DUST player base was probably 65/35 Console to PC players. Yes, we told CCP from the beginning that DUST514 is not a console game, they should go ahead and move it to PC back in Beta. They refused to or already had too much time invested and marched on. Which therefore established the console player majority player base.
CCP turned their back on the core playerbase that suffered through 3 years of torment. Doing so, resulted in lighting a flame feel of betrayal.
If CCP had announced Legion to be coming to PC and PS4, there wouldn't be any rioting or flames; however, CCP didn't and I agree with the hatred movement from the players against CCP, at that time.
There's no such thing as "not being a console game". The whole reason they made Dust 514 in the first place was to give console gamers an experience that the current console developers hadn't given them before.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.09.12 17:10:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:
THAT is why we all got pissed.
I was right there with you. I felt betrayed and was furious about it. But I wonder now, would our collective response have been different if Legion had not been announced at FF2014 and was instead announced today?
With all the "port naow, port anywhere" demands, I can't help but wonder. |
Starlight Burner
Black Screen
Adaptation.
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Posted - 2015.09.12 17:13:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:There's no such thing as "not being a console game". The whole reason they made Dust 514 in the first place was to give console gamers an experience that the current console developers hadn't given them before.
Disagree. There are some games that are not designed or destined to be on a console.
I strongly believe, DUST514, at it's current release time, was not destined to be a console game. Seeing the PS4 specs, the PS4 could do it; however, we run into the same problem, having to update the game to x console specifications every generation.
Agree to disagree but I disagree with your statement.
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Jammeh McJam
XxAMBUSH FTWxX
341
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Posted - 2015.09.12 18:22:00 -
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Be careful bro, these types of threads attract console peasants like flies...
PC is the only place a game of this calibre deserves to be, not on the ps4 getting drooled on by filthy casuals
Steam name - Jammeh McJam
PC master race
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Jammeh McJam
XxAMBUSH FTWxX
341
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Posted - 2015.09.12 18:24:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:No, that is not what was announced.
What was announced was DUST514 was being moved to PC. At that current time, the DUST player base was probably 65/35 Console to PC players. Yes, we told CCP from the beginning that DUST514 is not a console game, they should go ahead and move it to PC back in Beta. They refused to or already had too much time invested and marched on. Which therefore established the console player majority player base.
CCP turned their back on the core playerbase that suffered through 3 years of torment. Doing so, resulted in lighting a flame feel of betrayal.
If CCP had announced Legion to be coming to PC and PS4, there wouldn't be any rioting or flames; however, CCP didn't and I agree with the hatred movement from the players against CCP, at that time. There's no such thing as "not being a console game". The whole reason they made Dust 514 in the first place was to give console gamers an experience that the current console developers hadn't given them before.
And it failed, so time to bring it back home to the PC master race
Steam name - Jammeh McJam
PC master race
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
3
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Posted - 2015.09.12 19:28:00 -
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Jammeh McJam wrote:Be careful bro, these types of threads attract console peasants like flies...
PC is the only place a game of this calibre deserves to be, not on the ps4 getting drooled on by filthy casuals
Your kind are the reason nobody likes pc gamers.
Closed Beta Vet.
Founder of Helix Evolution I.W.C
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.09.12 19:44:00 -
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Jammeh McJam wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:No, that is not what was announced.
What was announced was DUST514 was being moved to PC. At that current time, the DUST player base was probably 65/35 Console to PC players. Yes, we told CCP from the beginning that DUST514 is not a console game, they should go ahead and move it to PC back in Beta. They refused to or already had too much time invested and marched on. Which therefore established the console player majority player base.
CCP turned their back on the core playerbase that suffered through 3 years of torment. Doing so, resulted in lighting a flame feel of betrayal.
If CCP had announced Legion to be coming to PC and PS4, there wouldn't be any rioting or flames; however, CCP didn't and I agree with the hatred movement from the players against CCP, at that time. There's no such thing as "not being a console game". The whole reason they made Dust 514 in the first place was to give console gamers an experience that the current console developers hadn't given them before. And it failed, so time to bring it back home to the PC master race
The game failed the playerbase, not the other way around. Don't get it twisted.
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
3
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Posted - 2015.09.12 19:47:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:While skipping over the "port naow" posts looking for something worth reading in GD, it occurred to me that the lowest moment in Dust's history -- the infamous Rouge Wedding -- was in fact nothing short of a port announcement!
More content.
Sexier graphics.
Better framework.
Fewer middlemen.
Presumably less lag.
Larger potential playerbase.
Etc ...
... and we freakin' crucified the dude.
If Rouge waltzed in today and announced the very same thing he announced in 2014, would we not hail him as hero and savior?
Legion was more of a rebuild with some of the Dust stuff as a base.
Some of us were pretty happy with the idea as long as it included full character and asset transfers.
Too bad console kiddie tears washed away our future.....
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
183
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Posted - 2015.09.12 20:02:00 -
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Flint Beastgood III wrote:But the majority of the playerbase does not want to play on PC.
Now, if he announces DUST or Legion for PS4, it'll be all aboard the hype train.
Actually the player base here may not like a PC port, but it would be the best thing to ever happen to this game. A single platform limited release was great for a beta project, but its time to release it to the much more lucrative and diverse PC crowd. Eve was successful with that model and Dust could have been. Maybe it still could be, but the player base here will not be what carries it into the future. For one, a reset of assets and SP would be the minimum requirement to get new players into the game. The NPE right now would not make anyone spend money on this game, and the current player base is never going to make it any better. |
DiGreatDestroyer
Grupo de Asalto Chacal
Rise Of Legion.
156
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Posted - 2015.09.12 20:26:00 -
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Im just going to leave this here...
Directivo de Grupo de Asalto Chacal
"SOMEONE GIVE THIS MAN A GD COOKIE"- Aeon Amadi
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Darth-Carbonite GIO
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
2
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Posted - 2015.09.12 21:37:00 -
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Rouge does not deserve any of the blame he got after Fanfest 2014.
I challenge you to a Gwent duel!
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
1
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Posted - 2015.09.12 21:41:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014.
Someone standing up for Rogue! Get him!
Give me my Plasma Flamethrower or give me a cookie!
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Jammeh McJam
XxAMBUSH FTWxX
341
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Posted - 2015.09.12 21:44:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014.
Agreed.
All he did was announce a port to the superior platform, why would people cry so much about it?
Steam name - Jammeh McJam
PC master race
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
1
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Posted - 2015.09.12 21:52:00 -
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Jammeh McJam wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014. Agreed. All he did was announce a port to the superior platform, why would people cry so much about it?
I wasn't mad at first when I heard of legion being annouced. It the way he did it, as in during the Dust Keynote and that there would be no future updates for Dust. All the stuff they talked about was for Legion and not for Dust, which seemed like a different game entirely. The community felt backstabbed and betrayed. Sure he announced a port, but dude should of done it in a more gentle way than what can be described as a huge ass f*cking. Then after a year, nothing is announced or revealed or said about Legion.
As for myself, I have no string opinions either way.
Give me my Plasma Flamethrower or give me a cookie!
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.09.12 21:57:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:While skipping over the "port naow" posts looking for something worth reading in GD, it occurred to me that the lowest moment in Dust's history -- the infamous Rouge Wedding -- was in fact nothing short of a port announcement!
More content.
Sexier graphics.
Better framework.
Fewer middlemen.
Presumably less lag.
Larger potential playerbase.
Etc ...
... and we freakin' crucified the dude.
If Rouge waltzed in today and announced the very same thing he announced in 2014, we'd hail him as hero and savior.
Amiright? No, the reason we "freakin' crucified the dude" was because he announced that they were basically ditching not only our community but all of our progress in Dust and moving to PC. None of the Round Tables where they confirmed that our progress would be kept and that this was actually aimed at the current playerbase were streamed on Twitch. Therefore the only thing seen by all of us watching the stream and not in attendance in Iceland was that we were all being ditched in exchange for the PC crowd while the Twitch chat was spammed with "PC MASTER RACE" and how all of us who currently play the game never deserved it in the first place. THAT is why we all got pissed.
CCP Rouge being the director of Eve TV and proprietor of the streaming service itself is clearly a justifiable reason why the man is at fault.
/sarcasm
You got pissed at the one guy who dared show his face despite the poor planning on behalf of people that are not him. The one guy who had the balls to actually go up at the beginning of the Eve Keynote to play damage control the next day. S'okay, though, because I did too later on. Got banned for it, even.
The hatred toward CCP Rouge was ill-placed and knee-jerky. Players couldn't - and still can't, apparently - understand the orchestra that is behind the scenes and will fault developers they know and see for the actions of the ones they don't.
Learn from that experience.
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.09.12 22:05:00 -
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The lack of accurate recall in here is crazy.
The FF2014 announcement was a riot because in the preceeding months DUST had been due multiple fixes for various game elements and mechanics that didn't happen. Instead it was months of total silence from the dev team, then, during what was supposed to be an expose of DUST's year(s) to come was an announcement that CCP had effectively quit doing anything support-wise for DUST so as to create a demo for Legion. And don't forget in those weeks prior there was the escalation of monetization elements (100% boosters, anyone?). THAT's the environment that announcement was made in.
Would people react the same to the same announcement now? Who knows. Could CCPs dev group at the time handled the problems that existed then, as Rattati has since? Who knows.
The latter question tho is the real kicker. At the end of the day it comes down to the old adage, "Where there's a will, there's a way." If CCP want to grow the relationship they've fostered with the console gaming community, then they will. If they want to diversify their clientele base by branching (farther?) into mobile, then they will. If they want to solely want to rely on the support of the "PCMasterRace" then they'll do that. IMHO, if they felt last of those was a worthwhile goal then they never would've grown into the console market in the first place.
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
57
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Posted - 2015.09.12 22:06:00 -
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People weren't mad at the news of a port.
They were mad at the news that pretty much all support for DUST would be dropped for the foreseeable future.
Hence why the only new content since then has pretty much been skins and a couple sky boxes. |
Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2015.09.12 22:20:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:...
The hatred toward CCP Rouge was ill-placed and knee-jerky. Players couldn't - and still can't, apparently - understand the orchestra that is behind the scenes and will fault developers they know and see for the actions of the ones they don't.
Learn from that experience.
Just gunna say that it is hard to understand the so-called "orchestra" when the conductors leave their audience in the dark and the musicians don't play their instruments, even though the audience bought tickets to their concert.
CCP coulda learned from that, but... well... it is kinda dim in here, and the crickets... Well, they are chirping.
Personally, I'd like the orchestra to begin to warm up and tune their instruments, if not begin to play some Tchaikovsky.
I am a minotaur.
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.12 22:22:00 -
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If Rouge ran point, half the reason he's there is so that he gets shot first. **** just comes with the job.
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.09.12 22:40:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:
THAT is why we all got pissed.
I was right there with you. I felt betrayed and was furious about it. But I wonder now, would our collective response have been different if Legion had not been announced at FF2014 and was instead announced today? With all the "port naow, port anywhere" demands, I can't help but wonder. Food for thought :-)
I would probably still be pissed for exactly the same reasons as FanFest 2014's hatred.
I have a 2 weeks old 1500 dollar PC.
I'm not worried about myself, I'm worried about CCP ditching this fanatically dedicated fanbase which they should be glad they managed to sustain despite DUST's troubled history.
AND THEN STEVE BUSCEMI SHOWS UP ON A FLYING PIG FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.09.12 22:42:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:...
The hatred toward CCP Rouge was ill-placed and knee-jerky. Players couldn't - and still can't, apparently - understand the orchestra that is behind the scenes and will fault developers they know and see for the actions of the ones they don't.
Learn from that experience. Just gunna say that it is hard to understand the so-called "orchestra" when the conductors leave their audience in the dark and the musicians don't play their instruments, even though the audience bought tickets to their concert. CCP coulda learned from that, but... well... it is kinda dim in here, and the crickets... Well, they are chirping. Personally, I'd like the orchestra to begin to warm up and tune their instruments, if not begin to play some Tchaikovsky.
And one wonders why
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First Prophet
Nos Nothi
4
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Posted - 2015.09.12 22:43:00 -
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Everyone go on twitter and tweet @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion
it's not too late?
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.09.12 22:43:00 -
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Starlight Burner wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:There's no such thing as "not being a console game". The whole reason they made Dust 514 in the first place was to give console gamers an experience that the current console developers hadn't given them before. Disagree. There are some games that are not designed or destined to be on a console. I strongly believe, DUST514, at it's current release time, was not destined to be a console game. Seeing the PS4 specs, the PS4 could do it; however, we run into the same problem, having to update the game to x console specifications every generation. Agree to disagree but I disagree with your statement.
The problem we ran into with DUST is that CCP's vision could absolutely not be realized on the PS3.
With the PS4 that isn't the case, their vision is within reach. Yeah we might not have the best graphics, but considering Planetside 2, I'm sure that the PS4 is capable of CCP's vision.
AND THEN STEVE BUSCEMI SHOWS UP ON A FLYING PIG FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.09.12 22:45:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Vicious Minotaur wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:...
The hatred toward CCP Rouge was ill-placed and knee-jerky. Players couldn't - and still can't, apparently - understand the orchestra that is behind the scenes and will fault developers they know and see for the actions of the ones they don't.
Learn from that experience. Just gunna say that it is hard to understand the so-called "orchestra" when the conductors leave their audience in the dark and the musicians don't play their instruments, even though the audience bought tickets to their concert. CCP coulda learned from that, but... well... it is kinda dim in here, and the crickets... Well, they are chirping. Personally, I'd like the orchestra to begin to warm up and tune their instruments, if not begin to play some Tchaikovsky. And one wonders why
Well, when they last played, they basically said they're going to take their instruments and play to a completely different crowd as well as take your money and leave.
Soooo.... There are reasons.
AND THEN STEVE BUSCEMI SHOWS UP ON A FLYING PIG FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.09.12 22:49:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014.
Rouge hate was misdirected, but I would say CCP Shanghai hate was justified.
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.09.12 22:51:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:The lack of accurate recall in here is crazy.
The FF2014 announcement was a riot because in the preceeding months DUST had been due multiple fixes for various game elements and mechanics that didn't happen. Instead it was months of total silence from the dev team, then, during what was supposed to be an expose of DUST's year(s) to come was an announcement that CCP had effectively quit doing anything support-wise for DUST so as to create a demo for Legion. And don't forget in those weeks prior there was the escalation of monetization elements (100% boosters, anyone?). THAT's the environment that announcement was made in.
Would people react the same to the same announcement now? Who knows. Could CCPs dev group at the time handled the problems that existed then, as Rattati has since? Who knows.
The latter question tho is the real kicker. At the end of the day it comes down to the old adage, "Where there's a will, there's a way." If CCP want to grow the relationship they've fostered with the console gaming community, then they will. If they want to diversify their clientele base by branching (farther?) into mobile, then they will. If they want to solely want to rely on the support of the "PCMasterRace" then they'll do that. IMHO, if they felt last of those was a worthwhile goal then they never would've grown into the console market in the first place.
This guy speaks trufacts.
AND THEN STEVE BUSCEMI SHOWS UP ON A FLYING PIG FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.09.12 23:01:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Vicious Minotaur wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:...
The hatred toward CCP Rouge was ill-placed and knee-jerky. Players couldn't - and still can't, apparently - understand the orchestra that is behind the scenes and will fault developers they know and see for the actions of the ones they don't.
Learn from that experience. Just gunna say that it is hard to understand the so-called "orchestra" when the conductors leave their audience in the dark and the musicians don't play their instruments, even though the audience bought tickets to their concert. CCP coulda learned from that, but... well... it is kinda dim in here, and the crickets... Well, they are chirping. Personally, I'd like the orchestra to begin to warm up and tune their instruments, if not begin to play some Tchaikovsky. And one wonders why Well, when they last played, they basically said they're going to take their instruments and play to a completely different crowd as well as take your money and leave. Soooo.... There are reasons.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
12
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Posted - 2015.09.12 23:35:00 -
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Like me, Context is king.
At the time it was announced, there was the understanding that PS3 was the focus, without a doubt, no if ands or buts. Not only was that NOT the case, but it hadn't been the case for quite some time up until FF14.
Then, came the announcement itself. There wasn't one. Suddenly, instead of having all these small events about Dust, which is what we saw on the itinerary, we were getting a bunch of info about Legion, without having any idea what it really was, or what was happening with Dust.
AND ITS NOT EVEN GREENLIT!!
So not only was the "Dust" talks not Dust-centric, but all that was said was that MAYBE they were porting. The natural conclusion, given the dearth of actual communication, was that Dust was dead.
If they had handled it differently, it wouldn't have been such a big deal. If instead of telling us they were focused on the PS3, maybe indicating early on they were considering a port, and how a transition might work, or how Dust would fit into the overall discussion.
Looking at it in present context, what is wanted is some confirmation on the future of a Dust port, which was never what Legion was in the first place. It was, and still is as far as we know, merely a prototype that had no concrete backing.
Let's not forget what FF14 was. It wasn't the announcment of a port (it would have been greenlit had it truly been). It was the announcement of moving on from Dust with no clear direction. If anything, what people are clamoring for is for that clarity.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
6
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Posted - 2015.09.12 23:43:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014. Rouge hate was misdirected, but I would say CCP Shanghai hate was justified.
Quite.
Also, it ever occur to any of you people posting with superior attitudes about PCs that you're a major reason why many of the current community wouldn't follow the game to PC?
The honest fact is that your attitude is so repugnant that many people play console games to avoid it.
A gaming PC costs more than a console, and PC games usually involve the use of 3rd party software like VoIP that some people don't want to deal with. Let's also keep in mind that some people have families and a console is more accessible to both the parent and the kids.
These people are NOT inferior.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 00:10:00 -
[36] - Quote
Legion, port, what ever... It's not going to happen, let the thought die.
The C.E.O. of G.L.O.R.Y,
(~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
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Aeon Amadi
12
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Posted - 2015.09.13 01:36:00 -
[37] - Quote
Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014. Rouge hate was misdirected, but I would say CCP Shanghai hate was justified. Quite. Also, it ever occur to any of you people posting with superior attitudes about PCs that you're a major reason why many of the current community wouldn't follow the game to PC? The honest fact is that your attitude is so repugnant that many people play console games to avoid it. A gaming PC costs more than a console, and PC games usually involve the use of 3rd party software like VoIP that some people don't want to deal with. Let's also keep in mind that some people have families and a console is more accessible to both the parent and the kids. These people are NOT inferior.
In their defense, the 3rd party VOIPs would probably be a lot more reliable.
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
57
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Posted - 2015.09.13 01:59:00 -
[38] - Quote
Mobius Wyvern wrote:
These people are NOT inferior.
No, but their platform of choice is.
Let's face it. Most people who don't have a gaming PC is not because they don't want the awesome graphics, endless stream of mods, and buttery smooth performance.
They don't want to / can't shell out the cash to get and maintain one. Which is fine. But the simple fact is that PC will probably always be superior to consoles to anyone but casuals. |
Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
6
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Posted - 2015.09.13 02:01:00 -
[39] - Quote
Murder Medic wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:
These people are NOT inferior.
No, but their platform of choice is. Let's face it. Most people who don't have a gaming PC is not because they don't want the awesome graphics, endless stream of mods, and buttery smooth performance. They don't want to / can't shell out the cash to get and maintain one. Which is fine. But the simple fact is that PC will probably always be superior to consoles to anyone but casuals.
Superior in what way?
Hardware performance is about the only way it really is.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 02:05:00 -
[40] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014. Rouge hate was misdirected, but I would say CCP Shanghai hate was justified. Quite. Also, it ever occur to any of you people posting with superior attitudes about PCs that you're a major reason why many of the current community wouldn't follow the game to PC? The honest fact is that your attitude is so repugnant that many people play console games to avoid it. A gaming PC costs more than a console, and PC games usually involve the use of 3rd party software like VoIP that some people don't want to deal with. Let's also keep in mind that some people have families and a console is more accessible to both the parent and the kids. These people are NOT inferior. In their defense, the 3rd party VOIPs would probably be a lot more reliable.
Until they aren't for whatever reason and then we're ******.
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
58
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Posted - 2015.09.13 02:20:00 -
[41] - Quote
Mobius Wyvern wrote:Murder Medic wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:
These people are NOT inferior.
No, but their platform of choice is. Let's face it. Most people who don't have a gaming PC is not because they don't want the awesome graphics, endless stream of mods, and buttery smooth performance. They don't want to / can't shell out the cash to get and maintain one. Which is fine. But the simple fact is that PC will probably always be superior to consoles to anyone but casuals. Superior in what way? Hardware performance is about the only way it really is.
FPS is better, overall graphics are better, longevity is better (mods), overall size of the games tends to be better, and also many console games come out on PC as well but have the above mentioned benefits over their console counterparts.
I have my consoles too and play them sometimes but my PC is just leaps and bounds ahead of my PS4 and other systems. (it also cost me waaay more, so that's the primary downside to me) |
el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 02:31:00 -
[42] - Quote
Cat Merc wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:The lack of accurate recall in here is crazy.
The FF2014 announcement was a riot because in the preceeding months DUST had been due multiple fixes for various game elements and mechanics that didn't happen. Instead it was months of total silence from the dev team, then, during what was supposed to be an expose of DUST's year(s) to come was an announcement that CCP had effectively quit doing anything support-wise for DUST so as to create a demo for Legion. And don't forget in those weeks prior there was the escalation of monetization elements (100% boosters, anyone?). THAT's the environment that announcement was made in.
Would people react the same to the same announcement now? Who knows. Could CCPs dev group at the time handled the problems that existed then, as Rattati has since? Who knows.
The latter question tho is the real kicker. At the end of the day it comes down to the old adage, "Where there's a will, there's a way." If CCP want to grow the relationship they've fostered with the console gaming community, then they will. If they want to diversify their clientele base by branching (farther?) into mobile, then they will. If they want to solely want to rely on the support of the "PCMasterRace" then they'll do that. IMHO, if they felt last of those was a worthwhile goal then they never would've grown into the console market in the first place. This guy speaks trufacts.
Careful with this, this town'll run you out on a rail for associating with the likes of me.
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
15
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Posted - 2015.09.13 02:32:00 -
[43] - Quote
el OPERATOR wrote:
Careful with this, this town'll run you out on a rail for associating with the likes of me.
You actually seem rather reasonable when you aren't talking about Scouts, Logis or EWAR. |
DiablosMajora
280
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Posted - 2015.09.13 03:19:00 -
[44] - Quote
Here's hoping to some material news during the next Fanfest ;-;
Prepare your angus
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First Prophet
Nos Nothi
4
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Posted - 2015.09.13 05:53:00 -
[45] - Quote
First Prophet wrote:Everyone go on twitter and tweet @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion
it's not too late?
People found this review helpful!
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howard sanchez
Vader's-Fist
The Empire of New Eden
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 06:22:00 -
[46] - Quote
Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014.
I am really surprised to read that, Darth
Not any? He doesn't deserve any?
Why not?
And that right there is the reason he and ccp in general DO deserve the vitriol and resentment that persists to this day. What?
Because to this day and beyond ccp and Rouge first & foremost have failed to account for that debacle of misinformation and **** poor customer relations that was FF14.
Have they apologized? No - because they don't think they need to
Have they offered explanation? No, for the same damn reason
When was the last post ccp rouge has ever made to this community?
What has he ever done for dust?
And before Anyone starts listing Rouge's accomplishments I will point out that not one thing has been posted by or about him officially since that wedding.
I would like to give the guy a chance, a fair shake, an open and accepting ear - but he has not tried once to approach this playerbase and discuss matters.
i have faith and trust in those that extend the same to me. Rouge? Who the **** is that? |
howard sanchez
Vader's-Fist
The Empire of New Eden
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 06:34:00 -
[47] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:While skipping over the "port naow" posts looking for something worth reading in GD, it occurred to me that the lowest moment in Dust's history -- the infamous Rouge Wedding -- was in fact nothing short of a port announcement!
More content.
Sexier graphics.
Better framework.
Fewer middlemen.
Presumably less lag.
Larger potential playerbase.
Etc ...
... and we freakin' crucified the dude.
If Rouge waltzed in today and announced the very same thing he announced in 2014, we'd hail him as hero and savior.
Amiright? No, the reason we "freakin' crucified the dude" was because he announced that they were basically ditching not only our community but all of our progress in Dust and moving to PC. None of the Round Tables where they confirmed that our progress would be kept and that this was actually aimed at the current playerbase were streamed on Twitch. Therefore the only thing seen by all of us watching the stream and not in attendance in Iceland was that we were all being ditched in exchange for the PC crowd while the Twitch chat was spammed with "PC MASTER RACE" and how all of us who currently play the game never deserved it in the first place. THAT is why we all got pissed. CCP Rouge being the director of Eve TV and proprietor of the streaming service itself is clearly a justifiable reason why the man is at fault. /sarcasm You got pissed at the one guy who dared show his face despite the poor planning on behalf of people that are not him. The one guy who had the balls to actually go up at the beginning of the Eve Keynote to play damage control the next day. S'okay, though, because I did too later on. Got banned for it, even. The hatred toward CCP Rouge was ill-placed and knee-jerky. Players couldn't - and still can't, apparently - understand the orchestra that is behind the scenes and will fault developers they know and see for the actions of the ones they don't. Learn from that experience.
Holy crap- has the whole CPM been granted some detailed info and insight that the rest of the dust playerbase has To? Maybe that is exactly the case. When did you all get this terrific opinion of Rouge?
What has he done for dust? The only blue team that we have ever heard, over the past year, of doing anything positive for this game is Frame, Ratatti and crew. And crew has never included Rouge.
If that guy has contributed to this game in any positive way then spell it out.
Because the only interaction with the gentleman this playerbase has ever had was the keynote you suggest he provided "damage control" at. In my opinion it was a lot more damage than control
Seriously, I will try to be calm and put my very negative opinion on hold for a very short while if the CPM or any blue tag would like to point out why my opinion is so unjustified.
But you better be clear and convincing because no one has offered us any kind of explanation to this point and THAT is a big reason for the persistence in my and many others' dim view of the matter. |
howard sanchez
Vader's-Fist
The Empire of New Eden
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 06:44:00 -
[48] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:Vicious Minotaur wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:...
The hatred toward CCP Rouge was ill-placed and knee-jerky. Players couldn't - and still can't, apparently - understand the orchestra that is behind the scenes and will fault developers they know and see for the actions of the ones they don't.
Learn from that experience. Just gunna say that it is hard to understand the so-called "orchestra" when the conductors leave their audience in the dark and the musicians don't play their instruments, even though the audience bought tickets to their concert. CCP coulda learned from that, but... well... it is kinda dim in here, and the crickets... Well, they are chirping. Personally, I'd like the orchestra to begin to warm up and tune their instruments, if not begin to play some Tchaikovsky. And one wonders why
Aeon, I don't understand why you feel this community has no reason to dislike the style of 'communication' that ccp rouge has used since his hiring to 'interact' with us.
And what do you mean by,'and one wonders why'?
Wonders why what? Why we still feel negatively about fanfest 14?
Why wouldn't we? What has been said about the blindside we were dealt? What has been done to alleviate the concern that this game is still going no where?
And, in that particular regard, I will personally thank Cross Atu for what little hope and encouragement he could offer recently.
He is the only one trying to communicate a positive message to this playerbase....in the midst of continued silence and lack of information ( when clearly ther is information held closely by ccp).
So please do not suggest we shouldn't have a negative opinion of Rouge. Until he wants to step out of the shadows and give us a reason to trust him all we have to go with is what we know. And that ain't much |
Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
18
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Posted - 2015.09.13 09:38:00 -
[49] - Quote
I believe what Aeon is saying is that Rouge wasn't the one who made that decision.
He was CCP Shanghai's public face, but there was a net of strings behind the scene that made various decisions, decisions that Rouge didn't approve of and yet had to speak for.
CCP Shanghai had some staff pruning post FanFest 2014, particularly in the PR and marketing department.
AND THEN STEVE BUSCEMI SHOWS UP ON A FLYING PIG FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON
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Bri Bub
Dead TOOMEY
314
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Posted - 2015.09.13 10:24:00 -
[50] - Quote
Can anyone say "burning trees"?
Let us recall that in October prior to FF14 they committed to PS3 with "laser focus"... And while no game updates were released for months leading up to FF, the DEVs kept alluding to really great news for everyone to stay tuned for upcoming at the DUST keynote, which essentially was CCP abandoning DUST...
I'd rather just forget the whole episode, the shock and despair I felt as I watched the FF stream that weekday morning, and the aftermath of the community quitting in droves, still leaves a bad taste in my mouth... That announcement was not of a port, it was one of utter abandonment, and would have a similar result today...
Be just and if you can't be just be arbitrary.
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Leovarian L Lavitz
TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS
No Context
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 10:33:00 -
[51] - Quote
Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014.
Agreed, and I'll add that dust has gotten much more fun with him in charge
Youtube: Dust 514 - You should Have Worn Proto
One V One Emperor
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Georgia Xavier
Incorruptibles
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 14:32:00 -
[52] - Quote
Port threads in Dust
Click for an instant good day! (or atleast cheer you up a bit)
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howard sanchez
Vader's-Fist
The Empire of New Eden
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 14:41:00 -
[53] - Quote
Cat Merc wrote:I believe what Aeon is saying is that Rouge wasn't the one who made that decision.
He was CCP Shanghai's public face, but there was a net of strings behind the scene that made various decisions, decisions that Rouge didn't approve of and yet had to speak for.
CCP Shanghai had some staff pruning post FanFest 2014, particularly in the PR and marketing department.
Thanks Cat for making that point. And IF that is what Aeon and Darth are trying to say then they should say THAT. And more. In clear and simple language without cryptic scoldings towards us. Because I have never heard Rouge say anything like that. I have never heard anything from Rouge ( who supposedly is in charge of Dust).
Again, want me and others to change our opinion about what happened, why and his role then and since?
Wait, for it.....
Communication |
Aiwha Bait
Incorruptibles
260
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Posted - 2015.09.13 15:38:00 -
[54] - Quote
Adipem Nothi wrote:While skipping over the "port naow" posts looking for something worth reading in GD, it occurred to me that the lowest moment in Dust's history -- the infamous Rouge Wedding -- was in fact nothing short of a port announcement!
More content.
Sexier graphics.
Better framework.
Fewer middlemen.
Presumably less lag.
Larger potential playerbase.
Etc ...
... and we freakin' crucified the dude.
If CCP Rouge waltzed in today and announced the very same thing he announced in 2014, would we not hail him as hero and savior?
http://biomassed.net/2015/05/15/a-change-in-legion-status-maybe/ *looks at "port" announcememt and takes a shotgun to it*
"Bait is too adorable to stab" - Zaria Min Deir
Writer and Editor for Biomassed
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Aiwha Bait
Incorruptibles
260
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Posted - 2015.09.13 15:42:00 -
[55] - Quote
howard sanchez wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:While skipping over the "port naow" posts looking for something worth reading in GD, it occurred to me that the lowest moment in Dust's history -- the infamous Rouge Wedding -- was in fact nothing short of a port announcement!
More content.
Sexier graphics.
Better framework.
Fewer middlemen.
Presumably less lag.
Larger potential playerbase.
Etc ...
... and we freakin' crucified the dude.
If Rouge waltzed in today and announced the very same thing he announced in 2014, we'd hail him as hero and savior.
Amiright? No, the reason we "freakin' crucified the dude" was because he announced that they were basically ditching not only our community but all of our progress in Dust and moving to PC. None of the Round Tables where they confirmed that our progress would be kept and that this was actually aimed at the current playerbase were streamed on Twitch. Therefore the only thing seen by all of us watching the stream and not in attendance in Iceland was that we were all being ditched in exchange for the PC crowd while the Twitch chat was spammed with "PC MASTER RACE" and how all of us who currently play the game never deserved it in the first place. THAT is why we all got pissed. CCP Rouge being the director of Eve TV and proprietor of the streaming service itself is clearly a justifiable reason why the man is at fault. /sarcasm You got pissed at the one guy who dared show his face despite the poor planning on behalf of people that are not him. The one guy who had the balls to actually go up at the beginning of the Eve Keynote to play damage control the next day. S'okay, though, because I did too later on. Got banned for it, even. The hatred toward CCP Rouge was ill-placed and knee-jerky. Players couldn't - and still can't, apparently - understand the orchestra that is behind the scenes and will fault developers they know and see for the actions of the ones they don't. Learn from that experience. Holy crap- has the whole CPM been granted some detailed info and insight that the rest of the dust playerbase has To? Maybe that is exactly the case. When did you all get this terrific opinion of Rouge? What has he done for dust? The only blue team that we have ever heard, over the past year, of doing anything positive for this game is Frame, Ratatti and crew. And crew has never included Rouge. If that guy has contributed to this game in any positive way then spell it out.
Our patch notes are marked from both CCP Rattati and CCP Rouge, IIRC. Just saying. The man talks to us, just not directly.
"Bait is too adorable to stab" - Zaria Min Deir
Writer and Editor for Biomassed
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howard sanchez
Vader's-Fist
The Empire of New Eden
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 16:14:00 -
[56] - Quote
Respectfully Mr Bait,
When someone talks TO you it is, by definition, direct.
Of course there are people doing things with DUST that we never hear of or from. Hilmar comes to mind.
But these mystery people do not talk to us and any opinion we form of them is founded upon what we know.
So it is surprising to hear from multiple CPM2s about how great and contributory CCP Rouge has been.
And, again, I will gladly suspend and reform my negative opinions if and when someone with DIRECT knowledge and insight lists some of those contributions.
How is my position unreasonable in this matter? |
Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
6
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Posted - 2015.09.13 16:49:00 -
[57] - Quote
howard sanchez wrote:Respectfully Mr Bait,
When someone talks TO you it is, by definition, direct.
Of course there are people doing things with DUST that we never hear of or from. Hilmar comes to mind.
But these mystery people do not talk to us and any opinion we form of them is founded upon what we know.
So it is surprising to hear from multiple CPM2s about how great and contributory CCP Rouge has been.
And, again, I will gladly suspend and reform my negative opinions if and when someone with DIRECT knowledge and insight lists some of those contributions.
How is my position unreasonable in this matter?
I wouldn't say it's unreasonable, but it's pretty clear that right now Rattati is the only one that can handle this place right now.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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howard sanchez
Vader's-Fist
The Empire of New Eden
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 16:53:00 -
[58] - Quote
M+¦bius, we agree |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
15
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Posted - 2015.09.13 16:53:00 -
[59] - Quote
Mobius Wyvern wrote: ... it's pretty clear that right now Rattati is the only one that can handle this place.
CCP Rattati, Lord of the Rings. |
Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
18
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Posted - 2015.09.13 17:17:00 -
[60] - Quote
This place is full of trolls.
CCP Rattati is a troll.
Hence he not only survives here, he thrives.
AND THEN STEVE BUSCEMI SHOWS UP ON A FLYING PIG FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
11
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Posted - 2015.09.13 17:24:00 -
[61] - Quote
Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014.
Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2015.09.13 17:28:00 -
[62] - Quote
Breakin Stuff wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014. Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014.
Yea, instead of focusing it on Rouge it should instead be focused on CCP as a whole, since they're to blame for all but pulling the plug on this game.
He's just a face. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
11
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Posted - 2015.09.13 17:36:00 -
[63] - Quote
Murder Medic wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014. Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014. Yea, instead of focusing it on Rouge it should instead be focused on CCP as a whole, since they're to blame for all but pulling the plug on this game. He's just a face.
Why are we bothering with that tired horse anymore? The horse is long dead. it's body is bone powder.
Quit beating it.
Being buttmad about something that happened a year ago and more isn't going to make the game magically better.
they handed off control of the game to rattati. Quite bluntly the game started improving almost immediately given limited resources.
Is it where we want it?
No.
But we're getting faster progress than we did with the pre-2014 dev team, and more information shared to boot.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Vesta Opalus
Rebels New Republic
The Ditanian Alliance
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 17:50:00 -
[64] - Quote
Adipem Nothi wrote:While skipping over the "port naow" posts looking for something worth reading in GD, it occurred to me that the lowest moment in Dust's history -- the infamous Rouge Wedding -- was in fact nothing short of a port announcement!
More content.
Sexier graphics.
Better framework.
Fewer middlemen.
Presumably less lag.
Larger potential playerbase.
Etc ...
... and we freakin' crucified the dude.
If CCP Rouge waltzed in today and announced the very same thing he announced in 2014, would we not hail him as hero and savior?
I applauded him (in my mind since he couldnt hear me anyway, as I was not there). However its easy to recognize how tone deaf and clueless the announcement was and I understand why much of the community was butthurt about it. |
501st Headstrong
0uter.Heaven
2
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Posted - 2015.09.13 17:50:00 -
[65] - Quote
A port is a continuation of the game. Legion was not going to be Dust.
And the fact that it was a new game at the Dust 514 keynote is great. The majority of this playerbase is on console. Sorry it's true.
However, people now know a ton more about why we can't have what we want on Dust via transparency. So we want a port. We want a port we can FOLLOW. 800 dollars in a PC, jesus no thank you. You guys who found the money to make one of those while paying food and rent congratd. Not everyone has that luxury.
Us filthy casuals who wanna log on, play with friends and then go to bed because we pull 12 hr shifts at work or school, yea boohoo to us right?
At least we know our limits on the PS4. For PC, so many different builds. Honestly what's the diference between constantly updating a PC vs changing consoles?
There is a no ultraright answer, but I inplore CCP to not turn their back on us again. Make it work.
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Aeon Amadi
12
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Posted - 2015.09.13 18:15:00 -
[66] - Quote
howard sanchez wrote:Cat Merc wrote:I believe what Aeon is saying is that Rouge wasn't the one who made that decision.
He was CCP Shanghai's public face, but there was a net of strings behind the scene that made various decisions, decisions that Rouge didn't approve of and yet had to speak for.
CCP Shanghai had some staff pruning post FanFest 2014, particularly in the PR and marketing department. Thanks Cat for making that point. And IF that is what Aeon and Darth are trying to say then they should say THAT. And more. In clear and simple language without cryptic scoldings towards us. Because I have never heard Rouge say anything like that. I have never heard anything from Rouge ( who supposedly is in charge of Dust). Again, want me and others to change our opinion about what happened, why and his role then and since? Wait, for it..... Communication
I'm aware. The CPM is aware. CCP is aware. There is a strong desire for communication and we are doing everything we can to accomodate you (see Council's Chambers sub-forum and my blog).
Please have patience and try to consider the different perspectives.
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2015.09.13 18:43:00 -
[67] - Quote
Breakin Stuff wrote:
Being buttmad about something that happened a year ago and more isn't going to make the game magically better.
And being optimistic about things that have never happened won't magically give this game a full dev team with a proper budget.
We're both beating the same dead horse, just different ends |
howard sanchez
Vader's-Fist
The Empire of New Eden
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 20:42:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:howard sanchez wrote:Cat Merc wrote:I believe what Aeon is saying is that Rouge wasn't the one who made that decision.
He was CCP Shanghai's public face, but there was a net of strings behind the scene that made various decisions, decisions that Rouge didn't approve of and yet had to speak for.
CCP Shanghai had some staff pruning post FanFest 2014, particularly in the PR and marketing department. Thanks Cat for making that point. And IF that is what Aeon and Darth are trying to say then they should say THAT. And more. In clear and simple language without cryptic scoldings towards us. Because I have never heard Rouge say anything like that. I have never heard anything from Rouge ( who supposedly is in charge of Dust). Again, want me and others to change our opinion about what happened, why and his role then and since? Wait, for it..... Communication I'm aware. The CPM is aware. CCP is aware. There is a strong desire for communication and we are doing everything we can to accomodate you (see Council's Chambers sub-forum and my blog). Please have patience and try to consider the different perspectives.
Oh Aeon,
I am patient. And I do appreciate what you, Darth, Cross, Breakin and many others are doing to engender change in the way communication happens here. Please do not mistake my postings for anything other than what they are: my meager attempt to support that effort as well.
I am not stupid or ignorant of how the world and business works. I believe that Rouge, Ratatti, and even Hilmar have the games' best interest at heart.
By making the posts and statements I make I am trying to leverage change in the direction I believe would help most - more open and transparent communication between CCP and its players.
I have consistently advocated this approach for all the years I have been here.
And, for what it is worth, I appreciate CCP's position. Managing expectations and customer response to change can be frought with risk. But ccp accepts this risk to a greater degree with eve than they do with dust.
I am pushing for a similar level of engagement from the whole dust team ( Rouge) towards the players.
So, CPM2, all of you - thank you for the efforts you are making in this direction. I know there is a lot of stuff happening behind scenes that we are not privy too. And it is possible that CCP, Rouge and the rest are making great strides that will improve DUST in many of the ways we desire.
But we have been here before - reassurances that all is well and will be revealed in good time.
And that is what I am afraid of. I don't want to be misled again.
Thank you for all you do...please continue to consider the benefits of growing trust and further player commitment and loyalty through increased transparency and communication. |
J0LLY R0G3R
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Posted - 2015.09.13 20:49:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:While skipping over the "port naow" posts looking for something worth reading in GD, it occurred to me that the lowest moment in Dust's history -- the infamous Rouge Wedding -- was in fact nothing short of a port announcement!
More content.
Sexier graphics.
Better framework.
Fewer middlemen.
Presumably less lag.
Larger potential playerbase.
Etc ...
... and we freakin' crucified the dude.
If CCP Rouge waltzed in today and announced the very same thing he announced in 2014, would we not hail him as hero and savior?
Wasn't it announced as something being ported to PC?
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Sequal's Back
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 21:14:00 -
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There are things, and the way you say things. And the second part is as important as the first.
CCP are the worst communicant and decision makers I've ever seen. That's your reason.
Bring your daughter... TO THE SLAUGHTER !
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University
Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2015.09.13 21:30:00 -
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OK.
Wall of text incoming. This will be my last post on this subject, if it is brought up again I'm going to bookmark my post and simply link to it in the future.
Some of this will be based on conversations I've had or have been told about that are now public domain. Some will based on my interpretation so you should take it at face value but also as someone that was actually there to witness events as they unfolded and weren't on the stream, my experience is going to different to those of you watching via the internet.
First of all two things to confess that I've spoken about before but worth repeating again in the context of this thread.
1. I had prior knowledge of Legion. I was one of a small number of players who'd been contacted and asked for opinion on the subject. I do know who the other players are but its up to them if they wish to confirm it. For the record, I was unsurprised at the switch to PC for Legion because it was clear even then that CCP's original vision for the game couldn't be realised on the PS3. (at the time the specs for the PS4 were unknown) but I said that announcing at Fanfest was a dumb idea. More on that later.
2. I'm responsible for the 'Rouge Wedding' tag. Over lunch just after the keynote I was on a table with Kane, Aeon, Charlie Iddon and a couple of others going through the explosion that at happened on twitter with the new hash-tag #dust514redwedding. I commented at the time that I thought that was rather unimaginative because as CCP Rouge is French and as it means Red it should be #RougeWedding...... all at the table started using it.
CCP Rouge has forgiven me but I doubt he'll forget.
First of all Legions announcement was, as has already been widely reported, first and foremost a marketing decision. The wisdom of that decision or rather the lack of it is no longer up for debate. It was hoped that an auditorium of predominately PC owning Eve players would give a rousing cheer live on stream as to the news of a format switch and in fairness, it succeeded in doing that.
Now as to the validity of allowing marketing people to make decisions that will effect community relations, my views are similar to Mr. Bill Hicks but he expresses them so much better than I could.
As has been reported in the past, the keynote was so short because CCP Rouge was under the impression that the round table Q&A session he was doing immediately after, where he could explain the reasoning for Legion and the move to PC, was also going to be live streamed. It was not. And to say that he was upset about that would be a monstrous understatement.
Another reason, if one were needed, that when decisions effecting community relations are made, the marketing people shouldn't be in the room.
There then followed a rather hectic day where Charlie Iddon and CCP Frame hit the forums to calm folks down if possible and myself, CCP Saberwing and CPM0 did similar work at the venue itself. At the insistence of CPM0, myself and the others there, Rouge basically kept crashing EVE.TV as much as he was able to get across the message that character transfer to Legion was a priority. He also went on stage again during Hilmar's keynote to repeat this.
The handling of the Legion announcement was a debacle and is described as such by CCP themselves. The lessons learnt from it have consequences even now. CCP policy is now not to promise anything till they are sure that it can be delivered. This was demonstrated clearly at Fanfest this year with the dropping of the usual 'CCP Presents' keynote on the Saturday for the UFC event with the Dev's.
For those unfamiliar with the 'CCP Presents' Keynote on the final day of Fanfest, it's where they share with the players a vision of what they want to do over the next year or two. Having been to the last four Fanfests in person and watched most the ones previous to that on YouTube and via the stream, I don't think it unkind to say that about 80% of what is shown at 'CCP Presents' never happens anyway. But they show the new Eve game trailer with its flashiness at the end of it and everyone leaves whooping.
But this year, even the new trailer was a very low key affair compared to previous ones. Part of CCP's new low key approach. But it was also something that they've delivered on for a change. The drifters are playing merry hell in Eve right now.
So anyway, Rouge became the public face of somebody else's cockup basically.
Since then CCP Rouge as undertaken a pretty substantial overhaul of the procedures and working practices of CCP Shanghai, where he is now Studio Director, responsible for the China Eve Server, Serenity as well as Gunjack, Dust 514 and like all game studios any other projects that they might be working on. But the day to to day running of Dust is what CCP Rattati does as senior producer. If there is one decision that I think the community will agree was a smart move by Rouge, it was the one that put Rattati in charge of the game.
Now there is more that I could say but obviously I'm bound by NDA. But all that I've said in this post is already out there. It also goes a little way to explaining CCP reluctance to share stuff till they're ready and know it'll happen. CPM 2 like CPM's 0 & 1 before them will continue to prod and poke them to be a little more open when possible. But ultimately that is CCP's decsion when that happens.
Rattati has already started asking questions of you all for the next hotfix. So have a look and make your views known. Rattati trawls the forums when ever he can so chances are he'll read your ideas and who knows, see about doing something about them.
CPM 1&2 Member
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Meee One
Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki
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Posted - 2015.09.13 21:32:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:howard sanchez wrote:Respectfully Mr Bait,
When someone talks TO you it is, by definition, direct.
Of course there are people doing things with DUST that we never hear of or from. Hilmar comes to mind.
But these mystery people do not talk to us and any opinion we form of them is founded upon what we know.
So it is surprising to hear from multiple CPM2s about how great and contributory CCP Rouge has been.
And, again, I will gladly suspend and reform my negative opinions if and when someone with DIRECT knowledge and insight lists some of those contributions.
How is my position unreasonable in this matter? I wouldn't say it's unreasonable, but it's pretty clear that right now Rattati is the only one that can handle this place right now.
People make time for something they find important to them.
Rattati finds Dust community input important,Rouge doesn't.
Official Blueberry of the Forums.
Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.09.13 22:30:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:-Snip-
Liked, then unliked, because you implicated me in something I had nothing to do with >=\
I couldn't have been one of the ones using the Rouge Wedding hasher! I didn't understand the context because I didn't (and still don't) watch Game of Thrones 
But yes, everything that Kevall is saying here besides that obvious ****-up of my involvement with #rougewedding (which I'll make him pay for later) is fairly accurate. I remember all of us sort of mulling over the situation, Hans and I especially, whenever we were in the lobby at the HARPA center (it is a lot smaller than it looks, surprisingly).
I made a thread about it while I was waiting for my flight in Washington that you can do some compare/contrast of views and mentalities then and now.
But when you get right down to it.... apart from the delivery and the platform debate, Legion (at the time) really was exactly what everyone was asking for. Rouge looked at the situation and acknowledged that it was never going to happen on the PS3, acknowledged that all of the problems that had occurred up until that point were over-hyped, over-promised, and impossible to deliver on... So he made the necessary changes to try and make that vision a reality.
And in return he got crucified on the forums and branded the reason for it all going south.
Put yourself in the guy's shoes. You're hired on to make this all work, you make those changes, you announce them in quite honestly one of the biggest game marketing backstabbings in history, and then the community with which you made those changes for blames you for it all.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
11
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Posted - 2015.09.13 22:37:00 -
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I have nothing to add at this point.
Just that getting pissed at rouge and rattati for the state of the game instead of looking at what has improved on their watch is rather akin to whipping a cancer victim for being sick.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 22:44:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:
You're hired on to make this all work, you make those changes, you announce them in quite honestly one of the biggest game marketing backstabbings in history, and then the community with which you made those changes for blames you for it all.
This...is basically justifying that backlash he received.
And GoT is awesome, it's not that first season of Spartacus or anything but it's still awesome.
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 22:50:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:I have nothing to add at this point.
Just that getting pissed at rouge and rattati for the state of the game instead of looking at what has improved on their watch is rather akin to whipping a cancer victim for being sick.
Without pointing fingers though it's just as worthwhile to recognize that for the time it takes to get actual broken stuff fixed as well as fixed without creating twice as many other problems expecting a playerbase to continue silently participating let alone financially supporting this endeavour is a real stretch of imaginative expectations.
"I want to love you baby, but...some of your bits ain't nice"
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
11
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Posted - 2015.09.13 23:30:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:I have nothing to add at this point.
Just that getting pissed at rouge and rattati for the state of the game instead of looking at what has improved on their watch is rather akin to whipping a cancer victim for being sick. Without pointing fingers though it's just as worthwhile to recognize that for the time it takes to get actual broken stuff fixed as well as fixed without creating twice as many other problems expecting a playerbase to continue silently participating let alone financially supporting this endeavour is a real stretch of imaginative expectations. "I want to love you baby, but...some of your bits ain't nice"
If you don't like the results that have happened that's fine.
It's the residual hate earned by someone else pinned to him that I object to.
Now if you were blaming ME for something I'd take credit and gloat about it. Because it's fun.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 23:40:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:I have nothing to add at this point.
Just that getting pissed at rouge and rattati for the state of the game instead of looking at what has improved on their watch is rather akin to whipping a cancer victim for being sick. Without pointing fingers though it's just as worthwhile to recognize that for the time it takes to get actual broken stuff fixed as well as fixed without creating twice as many other problems expecting a playerbase to continue silently participating let alone financially supporting this endeavour is a real stretch of imaginative expectations. "I want to love you baby, but...some of your bits ain't nice" If you don't like the results that have happened that's fine. It's the residual hate earned by someone else pinned to him that I object to. Now if you were blaming ME for something I'd take credit and gloat about it. Because it's fun.
Definitley agreed on "don't blame the messenger".
As a professional I doubt were you him that you'd behave like you describe, it'd just make all things worse. But I get your point.
Anyone interested can search my posts from that period and see where I stood on the matter.
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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howard sanchez
Vader's-Fist
The Empire of New Eden
1
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Posted - 2015.09.14 04:03:00 -
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Kevall,
Thank you for taking the time to put down, in detail, the circumstances and events that led us here from that fateful day.
And, to the rest of CPM2, thank you for your contributions and persistence in making your case.
I have a better understanding and appreciation for why he would find the term Rouge Wedding so offensive and misplaced. And for that reason I will cease using it ( though, admittedly, I sometimes did this as barb meant to elicit a response).
But, to reiterate my position for clarity: I do not "blame" Rouge, Ratatti or anyone for Dust's current state. I applaud Rattati and Co. For what DUST is and how far it has come this past year and a half. Dust is, right now, better than it has ever been.
And this is my gravest concern. You and others on the CPM have made clear that CCP won't tell us what they have planned until it's much more of a sure thing. Ok, I accept that.
So where does that leave is now? How far from a sure thing are we? The courses of action that have been discussed ( by the plAyer base because ccp won't talk) are PS4 and PC.
We have no word or confirmed direction from CCP so, based on your argument, we are not close enough to a sure thing for them to tell us.
Do you see where this is going?
I do not agree with any unspoken plan on ccp's part to withold this information from the players until such a time that marketing and promotion minded staff deem it most advantageous to the company to reveal. I don't want to hear about a port at fan fest or eve Vegas. I want to hear it from Ratatti or, even Rouge!, as soon as they decide the plan to port is firm and feasible.
We are the core playerbase. If ccp ports dust is will grow exponentially. The product is that good. You need us to help make this successful. Ccp should commit to us as we have to them. Don't ******* jerk us around with a big splashy but delayed reveal.
My complaint is not with dust. It is with ccp's lack of trust in the p,ayers of dust despite our loyalty to them.
Thanks again CPM2 for stepping up to the mic. We need more of this!
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.09.14 05:17:00 -
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We were mad because Rogue wasn't interested in a smooth transition. Instead he wanted to start basically completely over, and his talk of maintaing progress was surprisingly ambiguous.
This was also much reason to suspect that for months many developers who were supposed to be working on Dust were actually dedicating their time to Legion. To make things worse, many of these developers left subsequently which means that there are no longer the necessary staff to improve the game.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2015.09.14 05:27:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:We were mad because Rogue wasn't interested in a smooth transition. Instead he wanted to start basically completely over, and his talk of maintaing progress was surprisingly ambiguous.
This was also much reason to suspect that for months many developers who were supposed to be working on Dust were actually dedicating their time to Legion. To make things worse, many of these developers left subsequently which means that there are no longer the necessary staff to improve the game.
Also with them axing WoD, and more recently throwing themselves into even more projects, it's hard to believe they're even working on Legion somewhere in the dark.
And really. With the way CCP balances games....the thought of them working on it alone in the dark is almost more terrifying then them not working on anything at all.
Basically, it seems that placing faith in CCP is kind of like placing faith in the giant spaghetti monster: it's fun, but it doesn't really net you much in the end. |
Kevall Longstride
DUST University
Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2015.09.14 06:57:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:I don't want to hear about a port at fan fest or eve Vegas. I want to hear it from Ratatti or, even Rouge!, as soon as they decide the plan to port is firm and feasible.
The one thing that I can be fairly certain of after my conversations with Rouge and Rattati is that when CCP are ready to tell you something it'll be here on these forums and not wait for a public event again. CCP made that mistake once before.
CPM 1&2 Member
CEO of DUST University
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jett it
MONSTER SYNERGY
345
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Posted - 2015.09.14 10:13:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote: ... it's pretty clear that right now Rattati is the only one that can handle this place. CCP Rattati, Lord of the Rings.
Ahahahahahahah LOLOL 
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
6
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Posted - 2015.09.14 12:02:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:howard sanchez wrote:I don't want to hear about a port at fan fest or eve Vegas. I want to hear it from Ratatti or, even Rouge!, as soon as they decide the plan to port is firm and feasible. The one thing that I can be fairly certain of after my conversations with Rouge and Rattati is that when CCP are ready to tell you something it'll be here on these forums and not wait for a public event again. CCP made that mistake once before.
That's great to hear, Kevall.
I just hope we haven't risen to a bitterness level by that point that even CCP Rattati is afraid to come here.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.09.14 13:20:00 -
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Jammeh McJam wrote:Be careful bro, these types of threads attract console peasants like flies...
PC is the only place a game of this calibre deserves to be, not on the ps4 getting drooled on by filthy casuals
Dude! I rock an Alienware and I play on consoles. They serve their purpose and people can get a console for a couple hundred bucks rather than shell out over a grand. |
Mex-0
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.09.14 13:51:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:While skipping over the "port naow" posts looking for something worth reading in GD, it occurred to me that the lowest moment in Dust's history -- the infamous Rouge Wedding -- was in fact nothing short of a port announcement!
More content.
Sexier graphics.
Better framework.
Fewer middlemen.
Presumably less lag.
Larger potential playerbase.
Etc ...
... and we freakin' crucified the dude.
If Rouge waltzed in today and announced the very same thing he announced in 2014, we'd hail him as hero and savior.
Amiright? No, the reason we "freakin' crucified the dude" was because he announced that they were basically ditching not only our community but all of our progress in Dust and moving to PC. None of the Round Tables where they confirmed that our progress would be kept and that this was actually aimed at the current playerbase were streamed on Twitch. Therefore the only thing seen by all of us watching the stream and not in attendance in Iceland was that we were all being ditched in exchange for the PC crowd while the Twitch chat was spammed with "PC MASTER RACE" and how all of us who currently play the game never deserved it in the first place. THAT is why we all got pissed. Personally, I went down to my PS3, logged into Dust, and ranted with my Corp members for almost 10 minutes straight before I finally calmed down enough to come back upstairs and watch more of the stream. I still firmly believe that the acceptable platform migration is to PS4 because this game already has an honestly fanatically dedicated community on PSN and many of those people don't own a gaming PC or even a PC of sufficient strength to play this game were it to be mirgrated, thereby necessitating that they either spend at least $600-$800 (Don't even come at me with that $400 gaming PC bullshit, because we all know it's just that) to acquire a PC just to play this game, or else they're just out of luck. Upgrading to the next console has been a reality of console gaming for years, and you'd have a damn hard time finding anyone who currently still owns a PS3 who would be mad about the game moving up to PS4 for the sake of improvement and more content. That's what console games do, and have done since consoles were first made. I think CCP's original concept of creating a New Eden themed game for console gamers to bring a brand new group of gamers into the New Eden world was an excellent idea, and I don't think they should ditch that just because it's easier. Since when does CCP not do things the hard way just to show that they can? Seems to have worked pretty well for EVE Online so far.
Well, I personally don't care who we crucify, as long as we crucify someone...
HELLO
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Soraya Xel
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
6
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Posted - 2015.09.14 13:54:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Rattati finds Dust community input important,Rouge doesn't.
This is utter bull. Rouge is running an entire game studio, and so, no, he isn't on the forums directly himself, but he's the guy who put Rattati in charge of DUST, and is behind what Rattati is doing 110%.
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
6
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Posted - 2015.09.14 13:58:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Meee One wrote:Rattati finds Dust community input important,Rouge doesn't. This is utter bull. Rouge is running an entire game studio, and so, no, he isn't on the forums directly himself, but he's the guy who put Rattati in charge of DUST, and is behind what Rattati is doing 110%.
Unfortunately as the frontman he innevitably ends up taking the flak for pretty much everything wrong with the game whether directly responsible or not.
Kinda like Hopper said in A Bug's Life: "First rule of leadership: everything is your fault."
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.14 15:45:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Meee One wrote:Rattati finds Dust community input important,Rouge doesn't. This is utter bull. Rouge is running an entire game studio, and so, no, he isn't on the forums directly himself, but he's the guy who put Rattati in charge of DUST, and is behind what Rattati is doing 110%.
So was it Rouge or Hilmar that pulled the majority of staff and funds off of DUST? |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
12
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Posted - 2015.09.14 15:46:00 -
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I sees blue tag on this here thread but no blue post?
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
12
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Posted - 2015.09.14 15:47:00 -
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Murder Medic wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Meee One wrote:Rattati finds Dust community input important,Rouge doesn't. This is utter bull. Rouge is running an entire game studio, and so, no, he isn't on the forums directly himself, but he's the guy who put Rattati in charge of DUST, and is behind what Rattati is doing 110%. So was it Rouge or Hilmar that pulled the majority of staff and funds off of DUST?
Just so you know, Dust has been primarily funded by Eve Online.
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Bremen van Equis
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.09.14 15:48:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:I sees blue tag on this here thread but no blue post?
Working as intended.
Buckle up, boysGǪthis ramp leads to space. -Axe Cop
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.14 15:49:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Murder Medic wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Meee One wrote:Rattati finds Dust community input important,Rouge doesn't. This is utter bull. Rouge is running an entire game studio, and so, no, he isn't on the forums directly himself, but he's the guy who put Rattati in charge of DUST, and is behind what Rattati is doing 110%. So was it Rouge or Hilmar that pulled the majority of staff and funds off of DUST? Just so you know, Dust has been primarily funded by Eve Online.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.09.14 15:50:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.09.14 15:50:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:I sees blue tag on this here thread but no blue post?
Rattati deleted his post, it was the Jarl Ballin' Skyrim video.
Also deleted a quote of his post.
I'm guessing he felt like he trolled too hard considering this is a touchy issue and tried to erase it from existence.
AND THEN STEVE BUSCEMI SHOWS UP ON A FLYING PIG FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
12
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Posted - 2015.09.14 15:55:00 -
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Murder Medic wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Murder Medic wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Meee One wrote:Rattati finds Dust community input important,Rouge doesn't. This is utter bull. Rouge is running an entire game studio, and so, no, he isn't on the forums directly himself, but he's the guy who put Rattati in charge of DUST, and is behind what Rattati is doing 110%. So was it Rouge or Hilmar that pulled the majority of staff and funds off of DUST? Just so you know, Dust has been primarily funded by Eve Online. That is entirely irrelevant to the fact that DUST currently has next to no budget or staff
Links please.
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Asad Thahab-Jabal
Incorruptibles
26
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Posted - 2015.09.14 16:00:00 -
[97] - Quote
Maken Tosch wrote:Links please. Do you need a link? Just look around man. How often do we get content patches? In the time it takes CCP Shanghai to roll out one hotfix other F2P games like Warframe roll out a half dozen.
Read the writing on the wall.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
26
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Posted - 2015.09.14 16:04:00 -
[98] - Quote
Maken Tosch wrote:
Just so you know, Dust has been primarily funded by Eve Online.
Maken Tosch wrote:
Links please.
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
3
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Posted - 2015.09.14 16:12:00 -
[99] - Quote
Maken Tosch wrote:Murder Medic wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Meee One wrote:Rattati finds Dust community input important,Rouge doesn't. This is utter bull. Rouge is running an entire game studio, and so, no, he isn't on the forums directly himself, but he's the guy who put Rattati in charge of DUST, and is behind what Rattati is doing 110%. So was it Rouge or Hilmar that pulled the majority of staff and funds off of DUST? Just so you know, Dust has been primarily funded by Eve Online.
Dust was NOT funded by Eve.
I have more than once shown the convertible bonds which CCP sold to fund Dust once it was past the project phase.
The ideas to the contrary were all started by Eve players making assumptions.
deezy dabest wrote:Most of the original money for Dust came from a venture capital firm that bought into convertible bonds from CCP to fund Dust. http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/09/ccp-dust-514-funding/Those bonds were bought back around the same time that the Legion trademark was dropped. http://massivelyop.com/2015/05/18/ccp-games-buys-back-20m-in-bonds-drops-legion-trademark/Many of us speculated at the time of the "profitable" statement that this was in reference to month to month, quarterly, or maybe something else. When looking at the information above it would seem a much better assumption to say profitable was actually in regards to paying back its original start up cost and operating at a positive after paying the skeleton crew even if that positive is only one dollar.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
7
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Posted - 2015.09.14 16:43:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:While skipping over the "port naow" posts looking for something worth reading in GD, it occurred to me that the lowest moment in Dust's history -- the infamous Rouge Wedding -- was in fact nothing short of a port announcement!
More content.
Sexier graphics.
Better framework.
Fewer middlemen.
Presumably less lag.
Larger potential playerbase.
Etc ...
... and we freakin' crucified the dude.
If Rouge waltzed in today and announced the very same thing he announced in 2014, we'd hail him as hero and savior.
Amiright? No, the reason we "freakin' crucified the dude" was because he announced that they were basically ditching not only our community but all of our progress in Dust and moving to PC. None of the Round Tables where they confirmed that our progress would be kept and that this was actually aimed at the current playerbase were streamed on Twitch. Therefore the only thing seen by all of us watching the stream and not in attendance in Iceland was that we were all being ditched in exchange for the PC crowd while the Twitch chat was spammed with "PC MASTER RACE" and how all of us who currently play the game never deserved it in the first place. THAT is why we all got pissed.
That sums up why people were pissed.
The reason the hate was directed at Rouge was simply because he was the one who made the announcement, so he was the person who took the heat.
But people in the know, know that Rouge was ordered to save the announcement for FanFest and to not tell us (prepare us) ahead of time. He was also told that the round table would be streamed, which it wasn't.
Those in the know blamed CCP's Marketing department for what has got to be the biggest marketing screw-up since the New Taste of Coke! Rouge's hands were tied. He was setup to fail, and those idiots would not listen to him when he told them it was a bad idea.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
6
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Posted - 2015.09.14 17:03:00 -
[101] - Quote
Fox Gaden wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:While skipping over the "port naow" posts looking for something worth reading in GD, it occurred to me that the lowest moment in Dust's history -- the infamous Rouge Wedding -- was in fact nothing short of a port announcement!
More content.
Sexier graphics.
Better framework.
Fewer middlemen.
Presumably less lag.
Larger potential playerbase.
Etc ...
... and we freakin' crucified the dude.
If Rouge waltzed in today and announced the very same thing he announced in 2014, we'd hail him as hero and savior.
Amiright? No, the reason we "freakin' crucified the dude" was because he announced that they were basically ditching not only our community but all of our progress in Dust and moving to PC. None of the Round Tables where they confirmed that our progress would be kept and that this was actually aimed at the current playerbase were streamed on Twitch. Therefore the only thing seen by all of us watching the stream and not in attendance in Iceland was that we were all being ditched in exchange for the PC crowd while the Twitch chat was spammed with "PC MASTER RACE" and how all of us who currently play the game never deserved it in the first place. THAT is why we all got pissed. That sums up why people were pissed. The reason the hate was directed at Rouge was simply because he was the one who made the announcement, so he was the person who took the heat. But people in the know, know that Rouge was ordered to save the announcement for FanFest and to not tell us (prepare us) ahead of time. He was also told that the round table would be streamed, which it wasn't. Those in the know blamed CCP's Marketing department for what has got to be the biggest marketing screw-up since the New Taste of Coke! Rouge's hands were tied. He was setup to fail, and those idiots would not listen to him when he told them it was a bad idea.
Personally, I'm pretty sure when they finally announce a port it'll come out that pushing PC was Himar's idea, same as how aggressively they pushed Incarna at his behest.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
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Asad Thahab-Jabal
Incorruptibles
26
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Posted - 2015.09.14 17:08:00 -
[102] - Quote
Mobius Wyvern wrote:Personally, I'm pretty sure when they finally announce a port it'll come out that pushing PC was Himar's idea, same as how aggressively they pushed Incarna at his behest. u wot?
An interview with CCP Rouge...
CCP Rouge wrote:GÇ£New Eden deserves a shooter on PCGÇ¥.
CCP Rouge wrote:GÇ£Yes, of course PC is a target because thatGÇÖs our primary platform for Eve Online,GÇ¥
Not saying PS4 isn't a target now, but that PC was Rouge's vision for this game... which is wise. Shame a port will never come to pass. |
Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
3
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Posted - 2015.09.14 17:13:00 -
[103] - Quote
Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Personally, I'm pretty sure when they finally announce a port it'll come out that pushing PC was Himar's idea, same as how aggressively they pushed Incarna at his behest. u wot? An interview with CCP Rouge...CCP Rouge wrote:GÇ£New Eden deserves a shooter on PCGÇ¥. CCP Rouge wrote:GÇ£Yes, of course PC is a target because thatGÇÖs our primary platform for Eve Online,GÇ¥ Not saying PS4 isn't a target now, but that PC was Rouge's vision for this game... which is wise. Shame a port will never come to pass.
So we finally have an answer, ccp is singing a death sentence on their relations with console players.... good to know... after all this I doubt anyone would ever get valkyrie, you can say goodbye to console platforms forever now ccp.
I absolutely hate that Playstation is the only gaming system that doesn't have a game like halo... why the hell can't we have our own space/sifi/future/non earth game... why
Closed Beta Vet.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
7
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Posted - 2015.09.14 17:14:00 -
[104] - Quote
Kevall Longstride wrote:OK. Wall of text incoming. This will be my last post on this subject, if it is brought up again I'm going to bookmark my post and simply link to it in the future. Some of this will be based on conversations I've had or have been told about that are now public domain. Some will based on my interpretation so you should take it at face value but also as someone that was actually there to witness events as they unfolded and weren't on the stream, my experience is going to different to those of you watching via the internet. First of all two things to confess that I've spoken about before but worth repeating again in the context of this thread. 1. I had prior knowledge of Legion. I was one of a small number of players who'd been contacted and asked for opinion on the subject. I do know who the other players are but its up to them if they wish to confirm it. For the record, I was unsurprised at the switch to PC for Legion because it was clear even then that CCP's original vision for the game couldn't be realised on the PS3. (at the time the specs for the PS4 were unknown) but I said that announcing at Fanfest was a dumb idea. More on that later. 2. I'm responsible for the 'Rouge Wedding' tag. Over lunch just after the keynote I was on a table with Kane, Aeon, Charlie Iddon and a couple of others going through the explosion that at happened on twitter with the new hash-tag #dust514redwedding. I commented at the time that I thought that was rather unimaginative because as CCP Rouge is French and as it means Red it should be #RougeWedding...... all at the table started using it. CCP Rouge has forgiven me but I doubt he'll forget. First of all Legions announcement was, as has already been widely reported, first and foremost a marketing decision. The wisdom of that decision or rather the lack of it is no longer up for debate. It was hoped that an auditorium of predominately PC owning Eve players would give a rousing cheer live on stream as to the news of a format switch and in fairness, it succeeded in doing that. Now as to the validity of allowing marketing people to make decisions that will effect community relations, my views are similar to Mr. Bill Hicks but he expresses them so much better than I could. As has been reported in the past, the keynote was so short because CCP Rouge was under the impression that the round table Q&A session he was doing immediately after, where he could explain the reasoning for Legion and the move to PC, was also going to be live streamed. It was not. And to say that he was upset about that would be a monstrous understatement. Another reason, if one were needed, that when decisions effecting community relations are made, the marketing people shouldn't be in the room. There then followed a rather hectic day where Charlie Iddon and CCP Frame hit the forums to calm folks down if possible and myself, CCP Saberwing and CPM0 did similar work at the venue itself. At the insistence of CPM0, myself and the others there, Rouge basically kept crashing EVE.TV as much as he was able to get across the message that character transfer to Legion was a priority. He also went on stage again during Hilmar's keynote to repeat this. The handling of the Legion announcement was a debacle and is described as such by CCP themselves. The lessons learnt from it have consequences even now. CCP policy is now not to promise anything till they are sure that it can be delivered. This was demonstrated clearly at Fanfest this year with the dropping of the usual 'CCP Presents' keynote on the Saturday for the UFC event with the Dev's. For those unfamiliar with the 'CCP Presents' Keynote on the final day of Fanfest, it's where they share with the players a vision of what they want to do over the next year or two. Having been to the last four Fanfests in person and watched most the ones previous to that on YouTube and via the stream, I don't think it unkind to say that about 80% of what is shown at 'CCP Presents' never happens anyway. But they show the new Eve game trailer with its flashiness at the end of it and everyone leaves whooping. But this year, even the new trailer was a very low key affair compared to previous ones. Part of CCP's new low key approach. But it was also something that they've delivered on for a change. The drifters are playing merry hell in Eve right now. So anyway, Rouge became the public face of somebody else's cockup basically. Since then CCP Rouge as undertaken a pretty substantial overhaul of the procedures and working practices of CCP Shanghai, where he is now Studio Director, responsible for the China Eve Server, Serenity as well as Gunjack, Dust 514 and like all game studios any other projects that they might be working on. But the day to to day running of Dust is what CCP Rattati does as senior producer. If there is one decision that I think the community will agree was a smart move by Rouge, it was the one that put Rattati in charge of the game. Now there is more that I could say but obviously I'm bound by NDA. But all that I've said in this post is already out there. It also goes a little way to explaining CCP reluctance to share stuff till they're ready and know it'll happen. CPM 2 like CPM's 0 & 1 before them will continue to prod and poke them to be a little more open when possible. But ultimately that is CCP's decsion when that happens.
Thanks for that. I copied it into an in-game mail (love EVE Gate) and sent it to my Alliance.
I think this should be posted in a new thread and stickied.
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Asad Thahab-Jabal
Incorruptibles
26
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Posted - 2015.09.14 17:16:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:So we finally have an answer, ccp is singing a death sentence on their relations with console players.... good to know
I absolutely hate that Playstation is the only gaming system that doesn't have a game like halo... why the hell can't we have our own space/sifi/future/non earth game... why Read the article. He leaves some wiggle room to assume they might develop a PS4 port too. PC gaming is CCP's home field though. If they had to do it all over I'm sure they would have started on the PC then ported to a console like the PS4.
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
92
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Posted - 2015.09.14 17:17:00 -
[106] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Personally, I'm pretty sure when they finally announce a port it'll come out that pushing PC was Himar's idea, same as how aggressively they pushed Incarna at his behest. u wot? An interview with CCP Rouge...CCP Rouge wrote:GÇ£New Eden deserves a shooter on PCGÇ¥. CCP Rouge wrote:GÇ£Yes, of course PC is a target because thatGÇÖs our primary platform for Eve Online,GÇ¥ Not saying PS4 isn't a target now, but that PC was Rouge's vision for this game... which is wise. Shame a port will never come to pass. So we finally have an answer, ccp is singing a death sentence on their relations with console players.... good to know... after all this I doubt anyone would ever get valkyrie, you can say goodbye to console platforms forever now ccp. I absolutely hate that Playstation is the only gaming system that doesn't have a game like halo... why the hell can't we have our own space/sifi/future/non earth game... why
At least we'll have No Man's Sky, not that it fits the bill you're looking for.
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
3
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Posted - 2015.09.14 17:20:00 -
[107] - Quote
No game on the Playstation fits the bill I want, the only one that does is dust514, and we aren't keeping it
Closed Beta Vet.
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
3
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Posted - 2015.09.14 17:24:00 -
[108] - Quote
Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Void Echo wrote:So we finally have an answer, ccp is singing a death sentence on their relations with console players.... good to know
I absolutely hate that Playstation is the only gaming system that doesn't have a game like halo... why the hell can't we have our own space/sifi/future/non earth game... why Read the article. He leaves some wiggle room to assume they might develop a PS4 port too. PC gaming is CCP's home field though. If they had to do it all over I'm sure they would have started on the PC then ported to a console like the PS4.
With their reputation on the console, a port or overhaul to pc only, effectively abandoning console players, would pretty much be saying goodbye to consoles forever.
Microsoft wants full control and access to eve online, which is why ccp said no to them.
Sony regrets signing a contract with ccp because it failed to make a profit, not to mention all the bugs and dead ends ccp put Sony through with every update over the years so if they would Sony would say no to porting anything from pc made by ccp, they might say yes to port from ps3 but that's still a long jump. Not to mention the horrible player to ccp relation that has gone on since closed beta.
See what I mean? By going 100% pc, they are effectively saying goodbye to consoles forever.
Closed Beta Vet.
Founder of Helix Evolution I.W.C
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Asad Thahab-Jabal
Incorruptibles
26
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Posted - 2015.09.14 17:28:00 -
[109] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:With their reputation on the console, a port or overhaul to pc only, effectively abandoning console players, would pretty much be saying goodbye to consoles forever.
Microsoft wants full control and access to eve online, which is why ccp said no to them.
Sony regrets signing a contract with ccp because it failed to make a profit, not to mention all the bugs and dead ends ccp put Sony through with every update over the years so if they would Sony would say no to porting anything from pc made by ccp, they might say yes to port from ps3 but that's still a long jump. Not to mention the horrible player to ccp relation that has gone on since closed beta.
See what I mean? By going 100% pc, they are effectively saying goodbye to consoles forever. Not at all...
By going PC and PS4 they wouldn't be going "100% PC". If they went "100% PC" they wouldn't have to care about consoles anymore And Sony doesn't have a stake in Dust's profitability. They get a percentage of each PSN transaction whether Dust is making CCP money or not so "Sony regrets" is a bunch of bull.
Anyway, interpret what you want. This game isn't getting ported to either platform. See: complete silence on CCP's part.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
12
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Posted - 2015.09.14 17:31:00 -
[110] - Quote
Why does this have a blue tag, yet no Dev Post?
Currently listening to: Tsukihime OST
Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
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Asad Thahab-Jabal
Incorruptibles
26
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Posted - 2015.09.14 17:32:00 -
[111] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:Why does this have a blue tag, yet no Dev Post? He posted, then had the post, and the quote with the post, deleted.
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
3
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Posted - 2015.09.14 17:32:00 -
[112] - Quote
Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Void Echo wrote:With their reputation on the console, a port or overhaul to pc only, effectively abandoning console players, would pretty much be saying goodbye to consoles forever.
Microsoft wants full control and access to eve online, which is why ccp said no to them.
Sony regrets signing a contract with ccp because it failed to make a profit, not to mention all the bugs and dead ends ccp put Sony through with every update over the years so if they would Sony would say no to porting anything from pc made by ccp, they might say yes to port from ps3 but that's still a long jump. Not to mention the horrible player to ccp relation that has gone on since closed beta.
See what I mean? By going 100% pc, they are effectively saying goodbye to consoles forever. Not at all... By going PC and PS4 they wouldn't be going "100% PC". If they went "100% PC" they wouldn't have to care about consoles anymore And Sony doesn't have a stake in Dust's profitability. They get a percentage of each PSN transaction whether Dust is making CCP money or not so "Sony regrets" is a bunch of bull. Anyway, interpret what you want. This game isn't getting ported to either platform. See: complete silence on CCP's part.
If they were to go pc/ps4 that would be a miracle. Actually Sony does regret it, you can look it up all over the net, there was months of fuss over whether or not Sony themselves would pull the plug on dust or not long before the Rouge wedding because dust wasn't profitable.
Closed Beta Vet.
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
3
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Posted - 2015.09.14 17:33:00 -
[113] - Quote
Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Why does this have a blue tag, yet no Dev Post? He posted, then had the post, and the quote with the post, deleted.
What did he even say
Closed Beta Vet.
Founder of Helix Evolution I.W.C
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.14 17:34:00 -
[114] - Quote
Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:He posted, then had the post, and the quote with the post, deleted.
Not quite
jett it wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote: ... it's pretty clear that right now Rattati is the only one that can handle this place. CCP Rattati, Lord of the Rings. Ahahahahahahah LOLOL
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Asad Thahab-Jabal
Incorruptibles
26
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Posted - 2015.09.14 17:34:00 -
[115] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:If they were to go pc/ps4 that would be a miracle. Actually Sony does regret it, you can look it up all over the net, there was months of fuss over whether or not Sony themselves would pull the plug on dust or not long before the Rouge wedding because dust wasn't profitable. If it is "all over the net" then how about a link?
And CCP went with PC/PS4 for Eve: Valkyrie. Doesn't seem like a sign of regret on Sony's part. |
Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
6
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Posted - 2015.09.14 17:36:00 -
[116] - Quote
Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Personally, I'm pretty sure when they finally announce a port it'll come out that pushing PC was Himar's idea, same as how aggressively they pushed Incarna at his behest. u wot? An interview with CCP Rouge...CCP Rouge wrote:GÇ£New Eden deserves a shooter on PCGÇ¥. CCP Rouge wrote:GÇ£Yes, of course PC is a target because thatGÇÖs our primary platform for Eve Online,GÇ¥ Not saying PS4 isn't a target now, but that PC was Rouge's vision for this game... which is wise. Shame a port will never come to pass.
Keep in mind that none of the EVE Dev team expressed public opposition to Incarna.
Rouge doesn't write company policy or call the shots on platforms. Pretty sure if he did, even if he liked the idea of a PC port, it would have been announced far better than it was.
It's not like I'd hate the guy for supporting such a migration. After all right now CCP basically has it's name on a balky lobby-shooter that most people have never heard of and many think is trash, rather than a successful F2P title like they obviously hoped for.
All I'm saying is that that decision would mean throwing out one of the core focuses of this game as stated in 2009: to bring console gamers into New Eden in a more accessible format.
I think that was an admirable goal, and I think it - and we - are worth the effort to make that happen the way both we and CCP wanted.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
3
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Posted - 2015.09.14 17:43:00 -
[117] - Quote
Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Void Echo wrote:If they were to go pc/ps4 that would be a miracle. Actually Sony does regret it, you can look it up all over the net, there was months of fuss over whether or not Sony themselves would pull the plug on dust or not long before the Rouge wedding because dust wasn't profitable. If it is "all over the net" then how about a link? And CCP went with PC/PS4 for Eve: Valkyrie. Doesn't seem like a sign of regret on Sony's part.
Valkyrie is not an fps, it's a space flight simulator, completely different.
But I will give you one thing, there is some hope for dust surviving on the ps4. I do hope more than anything that my 4 years of building up void echo will not go to waste
Closed Beta Vet.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.14 17:43:00 -
[118] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:If they were to go pc/ps4 that would be a miracle. Actually Sony does regret it, you can look it up all over the net, there was months of fuss over whether or not Sony themselves would pull the plug on dust or not long before the Rouge wedding because dust wasn't profitable.
EARTH TO VOID ECHO.
Dust is profitable for Sony no matter what as all they do is keep a % of the money we spend and let Dust sit there in the store. Part of the money Sony charges for updates even accounts for server space and bandwidth cost to make sure that no matter what Sony does not drop a penny of profits.
Next time you are going to spout total bullshit based on some rumors that flew around on the forums about the expiration date of the contract and source "all over the net" try to at least make a little bit of sense.
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Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
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I still find the outrage quite understandable. Personally, I went into the stream with high hopes for the next big thing for Dust. Possibly a large update within the next few weeks. Instead I learned that Dust had been cancelled. They then proceeded to announce that they were - or maybe not - making a new FPS for PC and proceeded to show a demo of it. Something they had done previously, in 2009, which then took 4 years to materialize.
I'm sure CCP Rouge is a good guy if you meet him - most people are. I also don't think the frustration within the community was unfounded. He presented the content of his presentation as his own opinion. The community had no reason to believe otherwise. Not everything that was said afterwards was appropriate, but the general outrage should've been expected.
I'm glad they learned something about community interaction. Gameplay-wise Dust has made more progress since FF14 than it did in the year before. I'm fairly sure things will keep improving as we go. I can't see what's hidden behind the NDA but I trust that those who do know not to repeat their mistakes. |
XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles.
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[120] - Quote
Why does this thread have a blue tag?
AVERT YOUR EYES!
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
3
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Posted - 2015.09.14 17:46:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Personally, I'm pretty sure when they finally announce a port it'll come out that pushing PC was Himar's idea, same as how aggressively they pushed Incarna at his behest. u wot? An interview with CCP Rouge...CCP Rouge wrote:GÇ£New Eden deserves a shooter on PCGÇ¥. CCP Rouge wrote:GÇ£Yes, of course PC is a target because thatGÇÖs our primary platform for Eve Online,GÇ¥ Not saying PS4 isn't a target now, but that PC was Rouge's vision for this game... which is wise. Shame a port will never come to pass. Keep in mind that none of the EVE Dev team expressed public opposition to Incarna. Rouge doesn't write company policy or call the shots on platforms. Pretty sure if he did, even if he liked the idea of a PC port, it would have been announced far better than it was. It's not like I'd hate the guy for supporting such a migration. After all right now CCP basically has it's name on a balky lobby-shooter that most people have never heard of and many think is trash, rather than a successful F2P title like they obviously hoped for. All I'm saying is that that decision would mean throwing out one of the core focuses of this game as stated in 2009: to bring console gamers into New Eden in a more accessible format. I think that was an admirable goal, and I think it - and we - are worth the effort to make that happen the way both we and CCP wanted.
This. Unfortunately the original development team were the ones who screwed up dust so badly that by the time rattati took control, it was hanging on a hair line for dear life, if rattati didn't come in when he did, dust wouldn't be online right now, I only wish he was in charge in the beginning. If he was, dust would be mildly successful and there wouldn't be any questions on where it was going
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deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:If they were to go pc/ps4 that would be a miracle. Actually Sony does regret it, you can look it up all over the net, there was months of fuss over whether or not Sony themselves would pull the plug on dust or not long before the Rouge wedding because dust wasn't profitable. EARTH TO VOID ECHO. Dust is profitable for Sony no matter what as all they do is keep a % of the money we spend and let Dust sit there in the store. Part of the money Sony charges for updates even accounts for server space and bandwidth cost to make sure that no matter what Sony does not drop a penny of profits. Next time you are going to spout total bullshit based on some rumors that flew around on the forums about the expiration date of the contract and source "all over the net" try to at least make a little bit of sense.
I remember everything from back then. You really don't need to be a total ***** about something you never knew about or have no knowledge of.
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Asad Thahab-Jabal
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Keep in mind that none of the EVE Dev team expressed public opposition to Incarna.
Rouge doesn't write company policy or call the shots on platforms. Pretty sure if he did, even if he liked the idea of a PC port, it would have been announced far better than it was. The Legion announcement and all the nonsense surrounding it was a marketing screw up. Rouge wanted the announcement to go differently because, as stated in his interview, it is something he wants. A New Eden shooter on PC.
Mobius Wyvern wrote:I think that was an admirable goal, and I think it - and we - are worth the effort to make that happen the way both we and CCP wanted. Now we are talking about opinions Hard to debate feelings so I guess I'll just say... that's cool I guess.
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deezy dabest
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Void Echo wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:If they were to go pc/ps4 that would be a miracle. Actually Sony does regret it, you can look it up all over the net, there was months of fuss over whether or not Sony themselves would pull the plug on dust or not long before the Rouge wedding because dust wasn't profitable. EARTH TO VOID ECHO. Dust is profitable for Sony no matter what as all they do is keep a % of the money we spend and let Dust sit there in the store. Part of the money Sony charges for updates even accounts for server space and bandwidth cost to make sure that no matter what Sony does not drop a penny of profits. Next time you are going to spout total bullshit based on some rumors that flew around on the forums about the expiration date of the contract and source "all over the net" try to at least make a little bit of sense. I remember everything from back then. You really don't need to be a total ***** about something you never knew about or have no knowledge of.
I think this is the biggest problem with the forums in general. Why CCP does not step up and knock down rumor mongering in its tracks better I do not understand. I do believe that you believe what you are saying but you are totally wrong. You are just propagating old rumors of contract expiration as some sort of fact because CCP allows people to run around here doing just that to the point of convincing you.
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Void Echo
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Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Keep in mind that none of the EVE Dev team expressed public opposition to Incarna.
Rouge doesn't write company policy or call the shots on platforms. Pretty sure if he did, even if he liked the idea of a PC port, it would have been announced far better than it was. The Legion announcement and all the nonsense surrounding it was a marketing screw up. Rouge wanted the announcement to go differently because, as stated in his interview, it is something he wants. A New Eden shooter on PC. Mobius Wyvern wrote:I think that was an admirable goal, and I think it - and we - are worth the effort to make that happen the way both we and CCP wanted. Now we are talking about opinions Hard to debate feelings so I guess I'll just say... that's cool I guess. Void Echo wrote:I do hope more than anything that my 4 years of building up void echo will not go to waste You could always get a PC. They work quite well for gaming and you can use either a DS4 or xbox controller on PC if that is an issue for you.
I spent $400 once for my ps3 5 years ago. I can't afford to pay $600 for a gaming pc and spend more $$ keeping it updated...
Plus it is my firm belief that FPSs belong on console only
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deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:If they were to go pc/ps4 that would be a miracle. Actually Sony does regret it, you can look it up all over the net, there was months of fuss over whether or not Sony themselves would pull the plug on dust or not long before the Rouge wedding because dust wasn't profitable. EARTH TO VOID ECHO. Dust is profitable for Sony no matter what as all they do is keep a % of the money we spend and let Dust sit there in the store. Part of the money Sony charges for updates even accounts for server space and bandwidth cost to make sure that no matter what Sony does not drop a penny of profits. Next time you are going to spout total bullshit based on some rumors that flew around on the forums about the expiration date of the contract and source "all over the net" try to at least make a little bit of sense. I remember everything from back then. You really don't need to be a total ***** about something you never knew about or have no knowledge of. I think this is the biggest problem with the forums in general. Why CCP does not step up and knock down rumor mongering in its tracks better I do not understand. I do believe that you believe what you are saying but you are totally wrong. You are just propagating old rumors of contract expiration as some sort of fact because CCP allows people to run around here doing just that to the point of convincing you.
This post brings up something else that I noticed.... doesn't the contract end this year sometime? Or was it renewed or some ****
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Asad Thahab-Jabal
Incorruptibles
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Void Echo wrote:I spent $400 once for my ps3 5 years ago. I can't afford to pay $600 for a gaming pc and spend more $$ keeping it updated... Suit yourself. I will say this... after roughly 7 years of PC and console gaming, looking at the cost of the platform + peripherals and games, my console has been just as costly as my PC. Food for thought.
As for FPS being console only... you do know the first FPS was PC, right? CS:GO is a huge competitive FPS and is PC-exclusive. The FPS genre is not for consoles, it's for everyone. |
Void Echo
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Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Void Echo wrote:I spent $400 once for my ps3 5 years ago. I can't afford to pay $600 for a gaming pc and spend more $$ keeping it updated... Suit yourself. I will say this... after roughly 7 years of PC and console gaming, looking at the cost of the platform + peripherals and games, my console has been just as costly as my PC. Food for thought.
If you count paying for games as spending money on consoles then that's true. I spent $400 when I bought it, then I spend $98 last year to get it fixed, total over 5 years I have only spend $498 on my ps3 whereas if I get a pc, I would continuously spend money just to keep the pc itself updated
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Asad Thahab-Jabal
Incorruptibles
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Void Echo wrote:If you count paying for games as spending money on consoles then that's true. I spent $400 when I bought it, then I spend $98 last year to get it fixed, total over 5 years I have only spend $498 on my ps3 whereas if I get a pc, I would continuously spend money just to keep the pc itself updated Define "continuously" because I upgrade my PC only when I am forced to due to hardware failure or the minimum system requirements of a must-have game make me... and that is highly infrequent.
Yes, if you have more money than sense you can upgrade a PC every month and spend thousands on doing so. It is the norm? NO. Not in the slightest. |
deezy dabest
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Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Void Echo wrote:
This post brings up something else that I noticed.... doesn't the contract end this year sometime?
It supposedly ended in may but that was based on the contract being 2 years long which I do not believe was ever confirmed.
On another note holy crap look at this:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-05-what-will-dust-514-do-about-playstation4
That was back before the game was even launched and the quotes are from the same person who later said that Dust was just bad later when he was talking about the switch to Legion. Looking at these kind of things being said by the marketing department it is no shock that CCP told them to STFU.
Quote:"Like Eve, we believe Dust is going to be a long-term service that will vastly outlive the hardware that it launches on, much like Eve has vastly surpassed the graphics cards and processors of the PCs it launched on in 2003," answered David Reid, chief marketing officer at CCP. "It's just merely a different platform."
Quote:"We don't have anything to add to what Sony presented in their press conference other than the fact they've been a great partner, we talk with them all the time about these things and we've got a lot of confidence for Dust on PlayStation 3 today and living on as a service on next-generation platforms and beyond from there. But no dates or anything like that that we could talk about at this time."
My brain hurts after finding that little nugget.
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Void Echo
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Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Void Echo wrote:If you count paying for games as spending money on consoles then that's true. I spent $400 when I bought it, then I spend $98 last year to get it fixed, total over 5 years I have only spend $498 on my ps3 whereas if I get a pc, I would continuously spend money just to keep the pc itself updated Define "continuously" because I upgrade my PC only when I am forced to due to hardware failure or the minimum system requirements of a must-have game make me... and that is highly infrequent. Yes, if you have more money than sense you can upgrade a PC every month and spend thousands on doing so. It is the norm? NO. Not in the slightest.
Antivirus software, OS updates, repairs/replacements of current hardware. Updating the software so it's still usable. Subscribing to the manufacturer to get OS stability.
The list goes on and on. Updating the hardware alone costs $100s
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deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:
This post brings up something else that I noticed.... doesn't the contract end this year sometime?
It supposedly ended in may but that was based on the contract being 2 years long which I do not believe was ever confirmed. On another note holy crap look at this: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-05-what-will-dust-514-do-about-playstation4That was back before the game was even launched and the quotes are from the same person who later said that Dust was just bad later when he was talking about the switch to Legion. Looking at these kind of things being said by the marketing department it is no shock that CCP told them to STFU. Quote:"Like Eve, we believe Dust is going to be a long-term service that will vastly outlive the hardware that it launches on, much like Eve has vastly surpassed the graphics cards and processors of the PCs it launched on in 2003," answered David Reid, chief marketing officer at CCP. "It's just merely a different platform." Quote:"We don't have anything to add to what Sony presented in their press conference other than the fact they've been a great partner, we talk with them all the time about these things and we've got a lot of confidence for Dust on PlayStation 3 today and living on as a service on next-generation platforms and beyond from there. But no dates or anything like that that we could talk about at this time." My brain hurts after finding that little nugget.
Wow, now that is an eye opener.
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Asad Thahab-Jabal
Incorruptibles
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Void Echo wrote:Antivirus software, OS updates, repairs/replacements of current hardware. Updating the software so it's still usable. Subscribing to the manufacturer to get OS stability.
The list goes on and on. Updating the hardware alone costs $100s Anti-virus software? That's free. OS updates happen when you want them. People still have machines that run Windows 7. And as for "repairs/replacements" well that is pretty funny considering that PC components have individual warranties.
If a part on my PC breaks I remove it, ship it to the manufacturer for repair/replacement, I will pop in an old component in the meantime and keep on playing. PS3 breaks? Box it up and send the entire thing to Sony. Oh, and DON'T YOU DARE OPEN IT TO ATTEMPT FIXING IT YOURSELF opps now your warranty is voided. Sowwy console gamer.
This is a pretty tired argument though. I was just offering a suggestion that would, in the long run, open up a world of other games to you.
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Void Echo
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Posted - 2015.09.14 18:20:00 -
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Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Void Echo wrote:Antivirus software, OS updates, repairs/replacements of current hardware. Updating the software so it's still usable. Subscribing to the manufacturer to get OS stability.
The list goes on and on. Updating the hardware alone costs $100s Anti-virus software? That's free. OS updates happen when you want them. People still have machines that run Windows 7. And as for "repairs/replacements" well that is pretty funny considering that PC components have individual warranties. If a part on my PC breaks I remove it, ship it to the manufacturer for repair/replacement, I will pop in an old component in the meantime and keep on playing. PS3 breaks? Box it up and send the entire thing to Sony. Oh, and DON'T YOU DARE OPEN IT TO ATTEMPT FIXING IT YOURSELF opps now your warranty is voided. Sowwy console gamer. This is a pretty tired argument though. I was just offering a suggestion that would, in the long run, open up a world of other games to you.
Working for $5 an hour, I can't afford anything
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Rebels New Republic
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The day we found out we were just beta testers for PC gamers.
That poor guy was a face that everyone could point at. He might not have made the call but DUST died that day.
Its still kicking because of the dedicated players but who knows what direction we are heading.
I have hope but upon investigation it would be considered faith in CCP
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.14 18:25:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Void Echo wrote:Antivirus software, OS updates, repairs/replacements of current hardware. Updating the software so it's still usable. Subscribing to the manufacturer to get OS stability.
The list goes on and on. Updating the hardware alone costs $100s Anti-virus software? That's free. OS updates happen when you want them. People still have machines that run Windows 7. And as for "repairs/replacements" well that is pretty funny considering that PC components have individual warranties. If a part on my PC breaks I remove it, ship it to the manufacturer for repair/replacement, I will pop in an old component in the meantime and keep on playing. PS3 breaks? Box it up and send the entire thing to Sony. Oh, and DON'T YOU DARE OPEN IT TO ATTEMPT FIXING IT YOURSELF opps now your warranty is voided. Sowwy console gamer. This is a pretty tired argument though. I was just offering a suggestion that would, in the long run, open up a world of other games to you. Working for $5 an hour, I can't afford anything
You would be shocked how cheaply you can get a custom built gaming PC for on craigslist depending on the size of the area you live in. One thing about the PC Master Race is when it comes time to build a new one they are quick to take a loss on the old one and move on.
Just watch out for systems with high end video cards. If they were over clocked and took thermal damage you are going to be in for a bad surprise later on.
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Asad Thahab-Jabal
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deezy dabest wrote:You would be shocked how cheaply you can get a custom built gaming PC for on craigslist depending on the size of the area you live in. Adding to this... ... ... I don't know your car situation, but if you are willing to drive to other cities sometimes you can travel a bit for nice gear. I drove to a college town about an hour away and had a lady give me her son's school laptop. It wasn't maybe a year old Formatted it and now I have something to watch netflix on when I travel.
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Jammeh McJam
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Void Echo wrote:Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Void Echo wrote:If you count paying for games as spending money on consoles then that's true. I spent $400 when I bought it, then I spend $98 last year to get it fixed, total over 5 years I have only spend $498 on my ps3 whereas if I get a pc, I would continuously spend money just to keep the pc itself updated Define "continuously" because I upgrade my PC only when I am forced to due to hardware failure or the minimum system requirements of a must-have game make me... and that is highly infrequent. Yes, if you have more money than sense you can upgrade a PC every month and spend thousands on doing so. It is the norm? NO. Not in the slightest. Antivirus software, OS updates, repairs/replacements of current hardware. Updating the software so it's still usable. Subscribing to the manufacturer to get OS stability. The list goes on and on. Updating the hardware alone costs $100s
Antivirus doesn't need to be paid for, free antivirus software does the job perfectly fine (such as AVG). If you're already subscribed for antivirus software for a laptop or something, then the chances are it can be installed on multiple devices anyway.
If you want to be a normal human being when it comes to an OS on PC then you should use windows 7 (windows 8 is shite for games and idk about windows 10) which is a one time payment and comes with FREE updates.
If you buy hardware from the right place then it will come with a few years warranty, so replacements aren't a problem if something were to go wrong. I use scan.co.uk and aria.co.uk. They have relatively low prices on hardware with nice long warranties and instant replacements if something were to go wrong when installing the hardware.
Software updates happen automatically, whether it's to the OS or another program. If you're complaining about software updates in general then you shouldn't link it to PCs specifically, even the ps3's OS has updates regularly.
As for subscribing to manufacturers... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8RkR4rd7dM
I have never heard of anyone who's had to subscribe to a manufacturer for anything, LEAST OF ALL OS STABILITY!
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Jammeh McJam
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Posted - 2015.09.14 18:32:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Void Echo wrote:Antivirus software, OS updates, repairs/replacements of current hardware. Updating the software so it's still usable. Subscribing to the manufacturer to get OS stability.
The list goes on and on. Updating the hardware alone costs $100s Anti-virus software? That's free. OS updates happen when you want them. People still have machines that run Windows 7. And as for "repairs/replacements" well that is pretty funny considering that PC components have individual warranties. If a part on my PC breaks I remove it, ship it to the manufacturer for repair/replacement, I will pop in an old component in the meantime and keep on playing. PS3 breaks? Box it up and send the entire thing to Sony. Oh, and DON'T YOU DARE OPEN IT TO ATTEMPT FIXING IT YOURSELF opps now your warranty is voided. Sowwy console gamer. This is a pretty tired argument though. I was just offering a suggestion that would, in the long run, open up a world of other games to you. Working for $5 an hour, I can't afford anything
And people wonder why we call them console peasants.....
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Void Echo
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Jammeh McJam wrote:Void Echo wrote:Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Void Echo wrote:If you count paying for games as spending money on consoles then that's true. I spent $400 when I bought it, then I spend $98 last year to get it fixed, total over 5 years I have only spend $498 on my ps3 whereas if I get a pc, I would continuously spend money just to keep the pc itself updated Define "continuously" because I upgrade my PC only when I am forced to due to hardware failure or the minimum system requirements of a must-have game make me... and that is highly infrequent. Yes, if you have more money than sense you can upgrade a PC every month and spend thousands on doing so. It is the norm? NO. Not in the slightest. Antivirus software, OS updates, repairs/replacements of current hardware. Updating the software so it's still usable. Subscribing to the manufacturer to get OS stability. The list goes on and on. Updating the hardware alone costs $100s Antivirus doesn't need to be paid for, free antivirus software does the job perfectly fine (such as AVG). If you're already subscribed for antivirus software for a laptop or something, then the chances are it can be installed on multiple devices anyway. If you want to be a normal human being when it comes to an OS on PC then you should use windows 7 (windows 8 is shite for games and idk about windows 10) which is a one time payment and comes with FREE updates. If you buy hardware from the right place then it will come with a few years warranty, so replacements aren't a problem if something were to go wrong. I use scan.co.uk and aria.co.uk. They have relatively low prices on hardware with nice long warranties and instant replacements if something were to go wrong when installing the hardware. Software updates happen automatically, whether it's to the OS or another program. If you're complaining about software updates in general then you shouldn't link it to PCs specifically, even the ps3's OS has updates regularly. As for subscribing to manufacturers... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8RkR4rd7dMI have never heard of anyone who's had to subscribe to a manufacturer for anything, LEAST OF ALL OS STABILITY!
When I had a working laptop, I needed to pay a subscription to Toshiba in order to keep my OS running smoothly, the times I didn't my pc ran extremely slowly
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Jammeh McJam wrote:Void Echo wrote:Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Void Echo wrote:Antivirus software, OS updates, repairs/replacements of current hardware. Updating the software so it's still usable. Subscribing to the manufacturer to get OS stability.
The list goes on and on. Updating the hardware alone costs $100s Anti-virus software? That's free. OS updates happen when you want them. People still have machines that run Windows 7. And as for "repairs/replacements" well that is pretty funny considering that PC components have individual warranties. If a part on my PC breaks I remove it, ship it to the manufacturer for repair/replacement, I will pop in an old component in the meantime and keep on playing. PS3 breaks? Box it up and send the entire thing to Sony. Oh, and DON'T YOU DARE OPEN IT TO ATTEMPT FIXING IT YOURSELF opps now your warranty is voided. Sowwy console gamer. This is a pretty tired argument though. I was just offering a suggestion that would, in the long run, open up a world of other games to you. Working for $5 an hour, I can't afford anything And people wonder why we call them console peasants.....
You know, you are the reason people hate pc gamers. Your elites mentality is that of a ****. If you didn't expect everyone to live according to your standards people would embrace pc more but with all you assholes on pc, nobody likes dealing with *****
Your not giving pc gaming a good enough image for people to adopt if you treat console gamers like that
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Asad Thahab-Jabal
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Void Echo wrote:You know, you are the reason people hate pc gamers. Your elites mentality is that of a ****. If you didn't expect everyone to live according to your standards people would embrace pc more but with all you assholes on pc, nobody likes dealing with *****
Your not giving pc gaming a good enough image for people to adopt if you treat console gamers like that I agree with you, Void. I do believe in PC Master Race, but calling console gamers peasants isn't the way to get people playing the superior platform.
Remember, Jammeh, we hate the consoles, not the gamers.
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CommanderBolt
Dead Man's Game
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Void Echo wrote:Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Keep in mind that none of the EVE Dev team expressed public opposition to Incarna.
Rouge doesn't write company policy or call the shots on platforms. Pretty sure if he did, even if he liked the idea of a PC port, it would have been announced far better than it was. The Legion announcement and all the nonsense surrounding it was a marketing screw up. Rouge wanted the announcement to go differently because, as stated in his interview, it is something he wants. A New Eden shooter on PC. Mobius Wyvern wrote:I think that was an admirable goal, and I think it - and we - are worth the effort to make that happen the way both we and CCP wanted. Now we are talking about opinions Hard to debate feelings so I guess I'll just say... that's cool I guess. Void Echo wrote:I do hope more than anything that my 4 years of building up void echo will not go to waste You could always get a PC. They work quite well for gaming and you can use either a DS4 or xbox controller on PC if that is an issue for you. I spent $400 once for my ps3 5 years ago. I can't afford to pay $600 for a gaming pc and spend more $$ keeping it updated... Plus it is my firm belief that FPSs belong on console only
Please extrapolate why you believe FPS`s should only be on consoles.
Baring in mind all of the best and early online FPS games that I can think of were on PC (Quake, Unreal Tourney etc..)
Please also bare in mind that the controller for consoles is so terrible for the job of playing a shooter 9/10 games give you aim assist. Using aim assist is like using stabilisers as a kid, only console users don't seem to grow out of them.
P.S
Why is there a blue tag on this thread but then no blue post?
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deezy dabest
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Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:deezy dabest wrote:You would be shocked how cheaply you can get a custom built gaming PC for on craigslist depending on the size of the area you live in. Adding to this... ... ... I don't know your car situation, but if you are willing to drive to other cities sometimes you can travel a bit for nice gear. I drove to a college town about an hour away and had a lady give me her son's school laptop. It wasn't maybe a year old Formatted it and now I have something to watch netflix on when I travel. Like most things, be a smart consumer. Look for used stuff and you can get some crazy deals.
This is very true. I helped a friend of mine shop for one because he did not know how to check that everything was in good working order other than just firing up the system. He actually ended up dealing with this college kid who got in over his head on school loan debt and was just trying to pay off all he could and got a deal that made me jealous to say the least.
I have done builds for friends for less than $500 all the way up to my personal build that I am over $6k into. At the end of the day the cheaper ones would run most games tho only on low settings. The thing about a PC is you do not have to build it all at once. Starting out with a cheap video card then moving up when you catch a good sale or something is more than acceptable.
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Void Echo wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:Void Echo wrote:Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Void Echo wrote:If you count paying for games as spending money on consoles then that's true. I spent $400 when I bought it, then I spend $98 last year to get it fixed, total over 5 years I have only spend $498 on my ps3 whereas if I get a pc, I would continuously spend money just to keep the pc itself updated Define "continuously" because I upgrade my PC only when I am forced to due to hardware failure or the minimum system requirements of a must-have game make me... and that is highly infrequent. Yes, if you have more money than sense you can upgrade a PC every month and spend thousands on doing so. It is the norm? NO. Not in the slightest. Antivirus software, OS updates, repairs/replacements of current hardware. Updating the software so it's still usable. Subscribing to the manufacturer to get OS stability. The list goes on and on. Updating the hardware alone costs $100s Antivirus doesn't need to be paid for, free antivirus software does the job perfectly fine (such as AVG). If you're already subscribed for antivirus software for a laptop or something, then the chances are it can be installed on multiple devices anyway. If you want to be a normal human being when it comes to an OS on PC then you should use windows 7 (windows 8 is shite for games and idk about windows 10) which is a one time payment and comes with FREE updates. If you buy hardware from the right place then it will come with a few years warranty, so replacements aren't a problem if something were to go wrong. I use scan.co.uk and aria.co.uk. They have relatively low prices on hardware with nice long warranties and instant replacements if something were to go wrong when installing the hardware. Software updates happen automatically, whether it's to the OS or another program. If you're complaining about software updates in general then you shouldn't link it to PCs specifically, even the ps3's OS has updates regularly. As for subscribing to manufacturers... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8RkR4rd7dMI have never heard of anyone who's had to subscribe to a manufacturer for anything, LEAST OF ALL OS STABILITY! When I had a working laptop, I needed to pay a subscription to Toshiba in order to keep my OS running smoothly, the times I didn't my pc ran extremely slowly
Well then you got fked by toshiba
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Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Void Echo wrote:You know, you are the reason people hate pc gamers. Your elites mentality is that of a ****. If you didn't expect everyone to live according to your standards people would embrace pc more but with all you assholes on pc, nobody likes dealing with *****
Your not giving pc gaming a good enough image for people to adopt if you treat console gamers like that I agree with you, Void. I do believe in PC Master Race, but calling console gamers peasants isn't the way to get people playing the superior platform. Remember, Jammeh, we hate the consoles, not the gamers.
I just find it cute when they cry about things...
so i make them cry some more >:D
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
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CommanderBolt wrote:
Please extrapolate why you believe FPS`s should only be on consoles.
Baring in mind all of the best and early online FPS games that I can think of were on PC (Quake, Unreal Tourney etc..)
Please also bare in mind that the controller for consoles is so terrible for the job of playing a shooter 9/10 games give you aim assist. Using aim assist is like using stabilisers as a kid, only console users don't seem to grow out of them.
Console controls are far easier and more organized for me than keyboards. Not to mention its easier to hack pc
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Posted - 2015.09.14 18:42:00 -
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Jammeh McJam wrote:Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Void Echo wrote:You know, you are the reason people hate pc gamers. Your elites mentality is that of a ****. If you didn't expect everyone to live according to your standards people would embrace pc more but with all you assholes on pc, nobody likes dealing with *****
Your not giving pc gaming a good enough image for people to adopt if you treat console gamers like that I agree with you, Void. I do believe in PC Master Race, but calling console gamers peasants isn't the way to get people playing the superior platform. Remember, Jammeh, we hate the consoles, not the gamers. I just find it cute when they cry about things... so i make them cry some more >:D
It's not crying, it's stating the truth. You are acting like a ****
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Posted - 2015.09.14 18:47:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:
Please extrapolate why you believe FPS`s should only be on consoles.
Baring in mind all of the best and early online FPS games that I can think of were on PC (Quake, Unreal Tourney etc..)
Please also bare in mind that the controller for consoles is so terrible for the job of playing a shooter 9/10 games give you aim assist. Using aim assist is like using stabilisers as a kid, only console users don't seem to grow out of them.
Console controls are far easier and more organized for me than keyboards. Not to mention its easier to hack pc
Oh here we go again with the 'it's easier to hack PCs' -.- Anything can be hacked if the hacker puts their mind to it, if your PC gets hacked easily then you should get a better antivirus. As for games getting hacked, when people hack the clients of their games to give them an advantage, it normally doesn't take too long before they're banned by the developers.
As for console controls being easier, that is all opinion based. Personally I find keyboards easier to use than controllers. Yes there are more buttons but it only takes a few minutes to find where everything is.
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Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.09.14 18:47:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:
Please extrapolate why you believe FPS`s should only be on consoles.
Baring in mind all of the best and early online FPS games that I can think of were on PC (Quake, Unreal Tourney etc..)
Please also bare in mind that the controller for consoles is so terrible for the job of playing a shooter 9/10 games give you aim assist. Using aim assist is like using stabilisers as a kid, only console users don't seem to grow out of them.
Console controls are far easier and more organized for me than keyboards. Not to mention its easier to hack pc
It's debatable.
I will say this. In all of my years playing Battlefield games on PC (I started back on 1, played BF2 and BF2142, then Bad Company 2 then BF3 and now BF4) In ALL of that time I can honestly say hand on heart that I have only ever seen 2 hackers / cheaters.
To put that into context I have seen way more blatant cheaters on DUST in the space of less than 3 years. Cloak glitch - Remember those handful of guys that had this down to a T and were able to shoot cloaked for quite some time?
Glitching deliberately behind walls and cover, using RE`s in broken parts of the levels to detonate all.... the list really does go on.
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Posted - 2015.09.14 18:48:00 -
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Jammeh McJam wrote:Personally I find keyboards easier to use than controllers. Yes there are more buttons but it only takes a few minutes to find where everything is. And don't forget you can connect console controllers to a PC. The xbox controllers have drivers ready on Windows already. The DS4 can be used by downloading one piece of free software.
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Void Echo wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Void Echo wrote:You know, you are the reason people hate pc gamers. Your elites mentality is that of a ****. If you didn't expect everyone to live according to your standards people would embrace pc more but with all you assholes on pc, nobody likes dealing with *****
Your not giving pc gaming a good enough image for people to adopt if you treat console gamers like that I agree with you, Void. I do believe in PC Master Race, but calling console gamers peasants isn't the way to get people playing the superior platform. Remember, Jammeh, we hate the consoles, not the gamers. I just find it cute when they cry about things... so i make them cry some more >:D It's not crying, it's stating the truth. You are acting like a ****
You're not stating the truth you're expressing your opinion, which is fine.
However you're the only one here atm with that opinion, i'm pretty sure most of us here are trying to disprove the stereotypes that console gamers have about PC gamers.
Unless it's about the PC master race, in which case stereotype away! Most of what you hear is true
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Posted - 2015.09.14 18:51:00 -
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Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:Personally I find keyboards easier to use than controllers. Yes there are more buttons but it only takes a few minutes to find where everything is. And don't forget you can connect console controllers to a PC. The xbox controllers have drivers on Windows already. The DS4 can be used by downloading one piece of free software.
Exactly
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
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Posted - 2015.09.14 18:52:00 -
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The only console game Iv ever played that's been hacked is mw2. No other game that I own nor my ps3 has ever been hacked
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Posted - 2015.09.14 18:53:00 -
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Jammeh McJam wrote:Void Echo wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Void Echo wrote:You know, you are the reason people hate pc gamers. Your elites mentality is that of a ****. If you didn't expect everyone to live according to your standards people would embrace pc more but with all you assholes on pc, nobody likes dealing with *****
Your not giving pc gaming a good enough image for people to adopt if you treat console gamers like that I agree with you, Void. I do believe in PC Master Race, but calling console gamers peasants isn't the way to get people playing the superior platform. Remember, Jammeh, we hate the consoles, not the gamers. I just find it cute when they cry about things... so i make them cry some more >:D It's not crying, it's stating the truth. You are acting like a **** You're not stating the truth you're expressing your opinion, which is fine. However you're the only one here atm with that opinion, i'm pretty sure most of us here are trying to disprove the stereotypes that console gamers have about PC gamers. Unless it's about the PC master race, in which case stereotype away! Most of what you hear is true
You yourself aren't doing anything to disprove my statement that your kind are the reason why nobody tries it
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Posted - 2015.09.14 18:59:00 -
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'My kind' is what happens when PC master race meets troll in a primarily console peasant environment (in this case dust)
I don't expect you to like me, i just expect you to accept that consoles aren't where this game should be.
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Void Echo wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:Void Echo wrote:Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Void Echo wrote:Antivirus software, OS updates, repairs/replacements of current hardware. Updating the software so it's still usable. Subscribing to the manufacturer to get OS stability.
The list goes on and on. Updating the hardware alone costs $100s Anti-virus software? That's free. OS updates happen when you want them. People still have machines that run Windows 7. And as for "repairs/replacements" well that is pretty funny considering that PC components have individual warranties. If a part on my PC breaks I remove it, ship it to the manufacturer for repair/replacement, I will pop in an old component in the meantime and keep on playing. PS3 breaks? Box it up and send the entire thing to Sony. Oh, and DON'T YOU DARE OPEN IT TO ATTEMPT FIXING IT YOURSELF opps now your warranty is voided. Sowwy console gamer. This is a pretty tired argument though. I was just offering a suggestion that would, in the long run, open up a world of other games to you. Working for $5 an hour, I can't afford anything And people wonder why we call them console peasants..... You know, you are the reason people hate pc gamers. Your elites mentality is that of a ****. If you didn't expect everyone to live according to your standards people would embrace pc more but with all you assholes on pc, nobody likes dealing with ***** Your not giving pc gaming a good enough image for people to adopt if you treat console gamers like that
If Dust did go to PC, I would be one of many people who would be done with the game. I have other PC games and if I wanted to play with that crowd, I need to be in an environment where I can put up my defenses and say, "To hell with this, too many people want me to stop playing I am done." That is what PC players drive for when they want to destroy someone. Console gamers take the disposable approach and know that in 2 years it will be different.
PC gamers have some of the worst attitudes out there and they are insulated with anonymity so they trash talk in troll ways that just shock people. This forum has had some of those.
Gamers on consoles typically can't just create piles of accounts because it is linked to your machine. So they are more aware of their actions and also know that at any time some 7 year old with crazy reflexes will own you. PC games are afraid to play with that kid because they would have to acknowledge him or her. Sorry, I like Dust on consoles and if it makes it to PS4, I would be happy, but that will remove some of my favorite players.
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Void Echo wrote:
You yourself aren't doing anything to disprove my statement that your kind are the reason why nobody tries it
Honestly trolling console only gamers is some of the most fun trolling because every argument they have is based on the same old disproven BS that has been passed around for all of time.
I prefer keeping it to a minimum here just because CCP created and epic discontent for that type of talk with their blunder and their lack of understanding of console gamers.
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Void Echo wrote:You know, you are the reason people hate pc gamers. Your elites mentality is that of a ****. If you didn't expect everyone to live according to your standards people would embrace pc more but with all you assholes on pc, nobody likes dealing with *****
Your not giving pc gaming a good enough image for people to adopt if you treat console gamers like that
Who gives a **** about the people that play PC, or console for that matter?
All that matters is the end product. For me, it was worth saving for over a year to get mine initially just so I could play things like Starcraft 2, heavily modded Minecraft, and later a heavily modded Skyrim (among plenty others). I'm not very tech savvy and spent way more than I needed, and had some pretty bad hardware mishaps along the way after my warranty, but it was still totally worth the extra performance I get out of my games.
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Jammeh McJam wrote:'My kind' is what happens when PC master race meets troll in a primarily console peasant environment (in this case dust)
I don't expect you to like me, i just expect you to accept that consoles aren't where this game should be.
No, your not a troll, a troll provides intelligent remarks but at the same time makes people laugh a little, you are doing neither
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Posted - 2015.09.14 19:07:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Void Echo wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:
Please extrapolate why you believe FPS`s should only be on consoles.
Baring in mind all of the best and early online FPS games that I can think of were on PC (Quake, Unreal Tourney etc..)
Please also bare in mind that the controller for consoles is so terrible for the job of playing a shooter 9/10 games give you aim assist. Using aim assist is like using stabilisers as a kid, only console users don't seem to grow out of them.
Console controls are far easier and more organized for me than keyboards. Not to mention its easier to hack pc It's debatable. I will say this. In all of my years playing Battlefield games on PC (I started back on 1, played BF2 and BF2142, then Bad Company 2 then BF3 and now BF4) In ALL of that time I can honestly say hand on heart that I have only ever seen 2 hackers / cheaters. To put that into context I have seen way more blatant cheaters on DUST in the space of less than 3 years. Cloak glitch - Remember those handful of guys that had this down to a T and were able to shoot cloaked for quite some time? Glitching deliberately behind walls and cover, using RE`s in broken parts of the levels to detonate all.... the list really does go on.
I've never played a PC game where it was hacked, but Ive only had my PC 5 years now and I actually play a lot of my games offline.
As for consoles, all I have to say is Halo 2 and Borderlands. Those games were hacked on consoles so bad it was basically unplayable online. Such a drag. |
deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.14 19:09:00 -
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Jammeh McJam wrote:'My kind' is what happens when PC master race meets troll in a primarily console peasant environment (in this case dust)
I don't expect you to like me, i just expect you to accept that consoles aren't where this game should be.
I would love to have the game on PC but honestly I think that would be a bad move for CCP. It would likely not work out well for Eve numbers and leave them with a divided player base which would not be good considering the struggles they are facing now and the ones they are going to be facing in the next couple of years as direct competitors move in.
I think their moves to diversify over various platforms using their initial IP was a great one. Hopefully Dust being the one that started it all will make it through to the end and not just be the one they learned lessons from.
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Asad Thahab-Jabal
Incorruptibles
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Murder Medic wrote:Borderlands. Those games were hacked on consoles so bad it was basically unplayable online. Such a drag. I was at a friend's house when he was handed a modded item in BL. It caused his console to freeze and had to be restarted. From that point on, even after dropping the item, his PS would freeze when playing Borderlands. He had to uninstall/reinstall to fix it.
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Jammeh McJam
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Posted - 2015.09.14 19:12:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:'My kind' is what happens when PC master race meets troll in a primarily console peasant environment (in this case dust)
I don't expect you to like me, i just expect you to accept that consoles aren't where this game should be. No, your not a troll, a troll provides intelligent remarks but at the same time makes people laugh a little, you are doing neither
Would you prefer I called myself an a$$hole? I don't have any problems with that.
PS: you're* If you want intelligent remarks then try to be intelligent yourself. :)
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.14 19:15:00 -
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Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Murder Medic wrote:Borderlands. Those games were hacked on consoles so bad it was basically unplayable online. Such a drag. I was at a friend's house when he was handed a modded item in BL. It caused his console to freeze and had to be restarted. From that point on, even after dropping the item, his PS would freeze when playing Borderlands. He had to uninstall/reinstall to fix it. So lol @ only PC has hackers.
Yea I had to stop inviting randoms cuz they would spawn in and shoot infinitely spawning rockets that would crash my system :/
The first time I ever saw a mod in a game was in Halo 2, on the big team battle map that was snowy with a big base at either end. I was running base defense on top of our outer wall when I saw a Scorpion tank cresting the center ridge. Suddenly it started shooting its main cannon as fast as an SMG. My whole screen was shaking and I saw a warthog fly through the sky, shooting plasma burst shots rapid fire down on us.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Murder Medic wrote:Borderlands. Those games were hacked on consoles so bad it was basically unplayable online. Such a drag. I was at a friend's house when he was handed a modded item in BL. It caused his console to freeze and had to be restarted. From that point on, even after dropping the item, his PS would freeze when playing Borderlands. He had to uninstall/reinstall to fix it. So lol @ only PC has hackers.
GTA
nuff said.
Those guys have even hacked the engine itself and added their own assets. I have not seen that happen on PC since the days of AoE. That is what happens when your only line of defense is that the OS is "closed source".
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Posted - 2015.09.14 19:17:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:'My kind' is what happens when PC master race meets troll in a primarily console peasant environment (in this case dust)
I don't expect you to like me, i just expect you to accept that consoles aren't where this game should be. I would love to have the game on PC but honestly I think that would be a bad move for CCP. It would likely not work out well for Eve numbers and leave them with a divided player base which would not be good considering the struggles they are facing now and the ones they are going to be facing in the next couple of years as direct competitors move in. I think their moves to diversify over various platforms using their initial IP was a great one. Hopefully Dust being the one that started it all will make it through to the end and not just be the one they learned lessons from.
I admit that expanding the market was a good move by CCP, however there is no other sci-fi FPS on PC that has as much depth and lore as dust, and definitely none that are connected to an MMO like eve.
If CCP want to expand their market, they don't need to come to consoles to do it. There are plenty of people on PC that would jump at the chance to play this game as the vision that was originally intended, however that vision is only possible on PC.
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Signed.
I hope it gets ported to the PS5 soonGäó.
The new PS5 will be the size of Zoolander's phone and have the 3 sea shells from Demolition Man for a controller. =ƒÿ£
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Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.14 19:21:00 -
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Jammeh McJam wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:'My kind' is what happens when PC master race meets troll in a primarily console peasant environment (in this case dust)
I don't expect you to like me, i just expect you to accept that consoles aren't where this game should be. I would love to have the game on PC but honestly I think that would be a bad move for CCP. It would likely not work out well for Eve numbers and leave them with a divided player base which would not be good considering the struggles they are facing now and the ones they are going to be facing in the next couple of years as direct competitors move in. I think their moves to diversify over various platforms using their initial IP was a great one. Hopefully Dust being the one that started it all will make it through to the end and not just be the one they learned lessons from. I admit that expanding the market was a good move by CCP, however there is no other sci-fi FPS on PC that has as much depth and lore as dust, and definitely none that are connected to an MMO like eve. If CCP want to expand their market, they don't need to come to consoles to do it. There are plenty of people on PC that would jump at the chance to play this game as the vision that was originally intended, however that vision is only possible on PC.
But CCP has shown pretty clearly they don't intend to pursue a deep link between their games. Just look at Valk. It's totally stand alone from EVE, it has nothing to do with it other than lore and assets.
PC is going to have some incredibly harsh competition in the coming years, especially for space FPS games. I think CCP has really shot themselves in the foot since most EVE players think a EVE FPS is stupid, and most DUST players think PC is stupid. Unless they go to PS4, the game will very likely still remain niche and loosely linked to EVE, even if the original vision somehow magically came to fruition. |
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Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.09.14 19:22:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:'My kind' is what happens when PC master race meets troll in a primarily console peasant environment (in this case dust)
I don't expect you to like me, i just expect you to accept that consoles aren't where this game should be. No, your not a troll, a troll provides intelligent remarks but at the same time makes people laugh a little, you are doing neither
I'm afraid you overestimate the intelligence and sense of humour of most trolls.
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Helix Evolution I.W.C
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Posted - 2015.09.14 19:22:00 -
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Jammeh McJam wrote:Void Echo wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:'My kind' is what happens when PC master race meets troll in a primarily console peasant environment (in this case dust)
I don't expect you to like me, i just expect you to accept that consoles aren't where this game should be. No, your not a troll, a troll provides intelligent remarks but at the same time makes people laugh a little, you are doing neither Would you prefer I called myself an a$$hole? I don't have any problems with that. PS: you're* If you want intelligent remarks then try to be intelligent yourself. :)
So on top of being a ****, your also a grammar bazi
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Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Jammeh McJam wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:'My kind' is what happens when PC master race meets troll in a primarily console peasant environment (in this case dust)
I don't expect you to like me, i just expect you to accept that consoles aren't where this game should be. I would love to have the game on PC but honestly I think that would be a bad move for CCP. It would likely not work out well for Eve numbers and leave them with a divided player base which would not be good considering the struggles they are facing now and the ones they are going to be facing in the next couple of years as direct competitors move in. I think their moves to diversify over various platforms using their initial IP was a great one. Hopefully Dust being the one that started it all will make it through to the end and not just be the one they learned lessons from. I admit that expanding the market was a good move by CCP, however there is no other sci-fi FPS on PC that has as much depth and lore as dust, and definitely none that are connected to an MMO like eve. If CCP want to expand their market, they don't need to come to consoles to do it. There are plenty of people on PC that would jump at the chance to play this game as the vision that was originally intended, however that vision is only possible on PC.
Obviously the 2 are different markets but with how grindy CCP makes things it just does not fit in. The other issue is that they bulk things up so much with carbon that very few people would be able to play Legion while AFK mining meaning that a choice is going to have to be made. Personally I believe Legion would go far better than Eve ever has specially when you consider the millions of PC gamers that CCP has in their databases from all of the free trials. I am not sure CCP wants to risk killing Eve if this happens.
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Jammeh McJam
XxAMBUSH FTWxX
354
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Void Echo wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:Void Echo wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:'My kind' is what happens when PC master race meets troll in a primarily console peasant environment (in this case dust)
I don't expect you to like me, i just expect you to accept that consoles aren't where this game should be. No, your not a troll, a troll provides intelligent remarks but at the same time makes people laugh a little, you are doing neither Would you prefer I called myself an a$$hole? I don't have any problems with that. PS: you're* If you want intelligent remarks then try to be intelligent yourself. :) So on top of being a ****, your also a grammar bazi
Yes
Steam name - Jammeh McJam
PC master race
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
3
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Posted - 2015.09.14 19:29:00 -
[174] - Quote
Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Void Echo wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:'My kind' is what happens when PC master race meets troll in a primarily console peasant environment (in this case dust)
I don't expect you to like me, i just expect you to accept that consoles aren't where this game should be. No, your not a troll, a troll provides intelligent remarks but at the same time makes people laugh a little, you are doing neither I'm afraid you overestimate the intelligence and sense of humour of most trolls.
At least dust 514 trolls. On other games the average troll IQ is at least 80, here its at best 50
Closed Beta Vet.
Founder of Helix Evolution I.W.C
It's not a dick, don't take it so hard bruh- hate mail response
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
3
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Posted - 2015.09.14 19:30:00 -
[175] - Quote
Jammeh McJam wrote:Void Echo wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:Void Echo wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:'My kind' is what happens when PC master race meets troll in a primarily console peasant environment (in this case dust)
I don't expect you to like me, i just expect you to accept that consoles aren't where this game should be. No, your not a troll, a troll provides intelligent remarks but at the same time makes people laugh a little, you are doing neither Would you prefer I called myself an a$$hole? I don't have any problems with that. PS: you're* If you want intelligent remarks then try to be intelligent yourself. :) So on top of being a ****, your also a grammar bazi Yes
And with that answer you also became a troll by his definition.
MIND + BLOWN
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
3
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Posted - 2015.09.14 19:34:00 -
[176] - Quote
This thread is all kinds of broken.
It has a blue tag and when I click on that to jump to the dev post it says there is only 3 pages.
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Jammeh McJam
XxAMBUSH FTWxX
355
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Posted - 2015.09.14 19:41:00 -
[177] - Quote
I think if the console peasants are scared of PCs getting hacked they need to get a special kind of antivirus...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ExuxDEXWgQ
Steam name - Jammeh McJam
PC master race
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Asad Thahab-Jabal
Incorruptibles
34
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Posted - 2015.09.14 19:46:00 -
[178] - Quote
"You only YOLO once"
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.09.14 20:01:00 -
[179] - Quote
Lighten up in here, people. This whole PC/Console user debate isn't neccessary and isn't going to solve or answer any of the problems or questions about DUST.
FACT- Assholes exist everywhere, especially online regardless of your interface.
FACT- PS3/4 just like a PC is a computer first so it's open to manipulation, especially if online (see above).
Personally, I grew out of the PC gaming environment years ago, tired of dealing all the random bs that came with it. Hardware issues, software issues, fotw upgrade chasing, ridiculous amounts of player generated cheats and exploits. Theres a couple cites ^ about a couple console games with issues- those are the NOT the norm console-side. Yes, there are games with game generated issues, "glitches", that once players learn of they will use or exploit but those are not the norm. And they're nothing at all like the crazyness of random **** that happens PCside. On top of the spiderweb of various 3rd party hardwares and softwares and updates etc, any which if they fail or develop a conflict of operation result in forced time NOT gaming but instead scouring the PC parts suppliers or climbing the techsupport chat trees. My console is a sealed magicbox full of fairies railing stardust that I plug in, turn on and play. When the faires die or run out of crack from my slavedriving I just get a whole new one cheap, and decide if I'm going to fix or junk the old one while I continue to game. If its a junker I junk it. If I fix it I keep one and recover my expense on the second by selling the other. Either way the whole is process is a much better value for my time and my money . And my gaming and life goes on relatively uninterrupted, but for a minor hiccup overall.
I'll leave this here, as a toast to future for all of us, whatever that future may hold-
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8TROBbOmbc8
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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RKKR
WarRavens
Imperium Eden
1
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Posted - 2015.09.14 20:04:00 -
[180] - Quote
The OP should also research on what CCP said about the features of (the current) DUST514 would be (and what CCP did with that one vampire game).
Actions > Words
Stop fantasizing/getting your hopes up.
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knight guard fury
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2015.09.14 20:14:00 -
[181] - Quote
funny thing is for me is that i never directed my hate towards CCP Rouge. i generally send my hate/love to CCP as a whole and not to one specific person (if and when i ever do that) or not at all. unless i know for sure that one specific person caused something severe to happen.
Kin of the Vherokior tribe and warrior of the republic
Self proclaimed minmatar lore master
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noob cavman
Nos Nothi
3
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Posted - 2015.09.14 20:40:00 -
[182] - Quote
Just because a games becomes available on pc doesn't mean it will be popular. Many good games on steam haven't sold over 1000 copies.
And the free to play fps scene is a scary place with.
Tf2
Planetside 2
Dirty bomb
Tribes ascend( making a return)
Now yes pc is objectively better performance wise with higher graphics and the ability to have fps over 60 ,unless the physics of game are tied to the framerate then in which case your stuck at whatever the devs decided. Mouse is objectively superior in aiming than the right analog stick as you much more finesse and speed whithout deadspots ( pc also supports higher fov in most cases which is also a big plus)
So yes pc is performance wise better.
Performance wise.
But the are many other things tied into it.
Cost.
Maintenence and upgrades.
User comfort.
1st party titles
Many people see sitting at a desk to be close to what they do at work.
Local multiplayer.
Controlers vs kbm familiarity
Tech knowledge
It is wrong in all honesty to claim one is superior to the other as both have major advantages and disadvantages. Without taking into what peoples income, past gaming experience, the way they game and what games they enjoy are also huge factors in the debate.
So yes as an a opinion pc is better but as claiming it as a fact is wrong. But fallout 4 will be amazibg on my rig. mods for days!!
The most abusive northerner.
currently reading crossed by alan moore. Remember your table salt XD
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Balistyc Farshot
MONSTER SYNERGY
376
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Posted - 2015.09.14 21:17:00 -
[183] - Quote
knight guard fury wrote:funny thing is for me is that i never directed my hate towards CCP Rouge. i generally send my hate/love to CCP as a whole and not to one specific person (if and when i ever do that) or not at all. unless i know for sure that one specific person caused something severe to happen.
Some people are hate bolt pistols. You are more of a hate mass driver. I am sure CCP appreciates the generalized hate. It is a warm blanket they wrap themselves in at night. I am joking. They probably are like most guys going through the rat race of trying to anticipate the formula for an amazing game.
CCP - > people like vampires vs werewolves, lets roll that out. Son of a ##@#@#$! Ok, what next, space marines, lets go, it looks just like that guys. Now we are getting hated on. Ok, what is next?
"Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!"
Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
12
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Posted - 2015.09.14 21:24:00 -
[184] - Quote
RKKR wrote:The OP should also research on what CCP said about the features of (the current) DUST514 would be (and what CCP did with that one vampire game).
Actions > Words
Stop fantasizing/getting your hopes up.
I can say with a great degree of confidence the OP knows about all that. He has been around the game quite a long time. Since well before FF 14.
My guess is that his optimism is based on a love for the game as well as being heavily invested in the game on several fronts.
I may disagree with his post, but its no reason to assume ignorance or to suggest his optimism has less weight than your pessimism.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Sequal's Back
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.09.14 21:29:00 -
[185] - Quote
Where is the CCP comment? There's a blue tag but no messages ? Even the forums are glitched now?
Bring your daughter... TO THE SLAUGHTER !
- Sequal Rise
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XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles.
2
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Posted - 2015.09.14 21:34:00 -
[186] - Quote
Sequal's Back wrote:Where is the CCP comment? There's a blue tag but no messages ? Even the forums are glitched now?
Someone here is a dev alt! It's the only explanation!
AVERT YOUR EYES!
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MrShooter01
Ustio Mercenary Squadron
1
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Posted - 2015.09.14 21:36:00 -
[187] - Quote
Sequal's Back wrote:Where is the CCP comment? There's a blue tag but no messages ? Even the forums are glitched now?
A brave CCP worker tried to give us actual information on a port
Sadly, the worker was quickly discovered by IA, and dealt with. The only evidence of their sacrifice remaining is a blue tag that links to nothing.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
3
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Posted - 2015.09.14 22:57:00 -
[188] - Quote
MrShooter01 wrote:Sequal's Back wrote:Where is the CCP comment? There's a blue tag but no messages ? Even the forums are glitched now? A brave CCP worker tried to give us actual information on a port Sadly, the worker was quickly discovered by IA, and dealt with. The only evidence of their sacrifice remaining is a blue tag that links to nothing. RIP brave merc
I figures they tried to lock it and it pulled out a laser rifle and cut right through that lock so they were rummaging around in the back for an entosis lock.
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Soraya Xel
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
6
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Posted - 2015.09.14 23:05:00 -
[189] - Quote
Murder Medic wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Meee One wrote:Rattati finds Dust community input important,Rouge doesn't. This is utter bull. Rouge is running an entire game studio, and so, no, he isn't on the forums directly himself, but he's the guy who put Rattati in charge of DUST, and is behind what Rattati is doing 110%. So was it Rouge or Hilmar that pulled the majority of staff and funds off of DUST?
As far as I know, CCP has like an executive board of directors that make decisions like that sort of thing.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Adelia Lafayette
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
818
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Posted - 2015.09.14 23:14:00 -
[190] - Quote
Why does this have a blue tag and no dev post? Did rattati develop a forum cloaking modual?
Assault dropship gets blown up....
(Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ "Kitten this I'm out"...
..."I'm back"
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501st Headstrong
0uter.Heaven
2
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Posted - 2015.09.14 23:18:00 -
[191] - Quote
Seriously how many people are going to ask the same darn question about the Dev post?
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
6
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Posted - 2015.09.14 23:37:00 -
[192] - Quote
Soraya Xel wrote:Murder Medic wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Meee One wrote:Rattati finds Dust community input important,Rouge doesn't. This is utter bull. Rouge is running an entire game studio, and so, no, he isn't on the forums directly himself, but he's the guy who put Rattati in charge of DUST, and is behind what Rattati is doing 110%. So was it Rouge or Hilmar that pulled the majority of staff and funds off of DUST? As far as I know, CCP has like an executive board of directors that make decisions like that sort of thing.
Seriously? I thought they just had the single CEO.
An executive board sounds far from ideal.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
11
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Posted - 2015.09.14 23:42:00 -
[193] - Quote
Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Void Echo wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:'My kind' is what happens when PC master race meets troll in a primarily console peasant environment (in this case dust)
I don't expect you to like me, i just expect you to accept that consoles aren't where this game should be. No, your not a troll, a troll provides intelligent remarks but at the same time makes people laugh a little, you are doing neither I'm afraid you overestimate the intelligence and sense of humour of most trolls.
A troll isn't seeking enlightened discourse on any level. A troll seeks a reaction via antagonistic interaction.
A mere smartass is the one void echo describes.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.09.14 23:48:00 -
[194] - Quote
Mobius Wyvern wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Murder Medic wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Meee One wrote:Rattati finds Dust community input important,Rouge doesn't. This is utter bull. Rouge is running an entire game studio, and so, no, he isn't on the forums directly himself, but he's the guy who put Rattati in charge of DUST, and is behind what Rattati is doing 110%. So was it Rouge or Hilmar that pulled the majority of staff and funds off of DUST? As far as I know, CCP has like an executive board of directors that make decisions like that sort of thing. Seriously? I thought they just had the single CEO. An executive board sounds far from ideal.
Real common corporate structure, there's a Chief Exec and then a Board of Execs. Its a much better setup than a SoleProprietorship-type of deal once a company grows past a certain point. Seriously, after a while theres no way one indiviual could even remotely be responsible about all aspects of a company. There's just too many moving parts.
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
3
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Posted - 2015.09.14 23:49:00 -
[195] - Quote
501st Headstrong wrote:Seriously how many people are going to ask the same darn question about the Dev post?
Rattati posted, then deleted his post.
What did he say?
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.09.14 23:52:00 -
[196] - Quote
deezy dabest wrote:501st Headstrong wrote:Seriously how many people are going to ask the same darn question about the Dev post?
Rattati posted, then deleted his post. What did he say?
He said, " Nevermind."
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University
Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2015.09.14 23:52:00 -
[197] - Quote
Not going to expand on my earlier post but there are a couple of untruths that have been mentioned since I posted that. The silly thing that most of them are easily found to be wrong with a quick Google search or even a search of these forums.
But some like to repeat them because it lends 'evidence' to back up assertions that are in fact opinions.
1. There was never an exclusivity deal between CCP and Sony.
CCP are free to publish this game on whatever format them wish. Now the fact that Hilmar told me that himself should be enough but Google it and you'll find the interview he gave confirming it. Sony and CCP do in fact still have a very strong relationship. Sony are rubbing their hands at the thought of how many Morpheus/PS4 package deals that Valkyrie is going to sell for them.
Sony used to have a 3 month QA process for game updates. Working closely with CCP enabled them to streamline the process down to a month, which has in turn benefited every game on the PSN.
2. Sony wasn't making a profit from Dust.
Bollocks. Sony take a cut of AUR sales via the PlayStation Store and Sonys 'cost' for the game is the storage of it on it's vast server farms. It's like saying Donald Trump is running at a loss because one tenant in a building that he owns in a town he's never been it, is a week late with their rent. The game makes a profit for CCP so of course so does Sony.
3. Eve Online funded Dust.
Again a falsehood spread by Eve players who don't seem to understand the basic premise that once you relinquish your money to a vendor, you lose all say in how that money spent by said vendor. CCP funded Dust and did so via venture capitalists as someone earlier linked.
CPM 1&2 Member
CEO of DUST University
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.09.15 00:14:00 -
[198] - Quote
Kevall Longstride wrote:
3. Eve Online funded Dust.
Again a falsehood spread by Eve players who don't seem to understand the basic premise that once you relinquish your money to a vendor, you lose all say in how that money spent by said vendor. CCP funded Dust and did so via venture capitalists as someone earlier linked.
LOL, ouch.
HTFU, EVElings!! XD
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
6
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Posted - 2015.09.15 00:48:00 -
[199] - Quote
el OPERATOR wrote:Kevall Longstride wrote:
3. Eve Online funded Dust.
Again a falsehood spread by Eve players who don't seem to understand the basic premise that once you relinquish your money to a vendor, you lose all say in how that money spent by said vendor. CCP funded Dust and did so via venture capitalists as someone earlier linked.
LOL, ouch. HTFU, EVElings!! XD
EVE players with superior attitudes are always spouting **** like that.
They also make threads in Test Server Feedback claiming they are entitled to round-the-clock access to the Test server and that setting it to Dev-only for any reason is unacceptable.
I LOVE watching CCP Falcon **** on those guys.
Some people need to get it through their heads that $15 a month buys you access to Tranquility and THAT'S IT.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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CallMeNoName
PIXXXIE
81
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Posted - 2015.09.15 00:51:00 -
[200] - Quote
Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014.
As much as I hate to say it, I agree. He couldn't really do much about it.
Core Nades can't melt Amarr Sentinels.
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
104
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Posted - 2015.09.15 00:55:00 -
[201] - Quote
Mobius Wyvern wrote:
Video game players with superior attitudes are always spouting **** like that.
Fix'd |
Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
6
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Posted - 2015.09.15 01:12:00 -
[202] - Quote
Murder Medic wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:
Video game players with superior attitudes are always spouting **** like that.
Fix'd
True.
Just as someone who's played EVE for over 7 years it seems like some of the "EVE Vets" get worse than other games.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Finn Colman
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
178
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Posted - 2015.09.15 01:23:00 -
[203] - Quote
Something I don't get is why people assert that it can only be ported to one system. There are a few multiplayer PC games that have made a coexisting port to PS4, not just with the two player-bases separated, but with PC players and PS4 players playing alongside one another. I've had plenty of fun with these games and never once felt I was at a significant disadvantage to PC players (despite "PC master race" arguments).
I will reiterate my opinion of the platform for which Legion is released. I would be fine if they put in on PC first, and later ported to PS4.
Jack-of-most-trades, master of one.
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
6
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Posted - 2015.09.15 01:43:00 -
[204] - Quote
Finn Colman wrote:Something I don't get is why people assert that it can only be ported to one system. There are a few multiplayer PC games that have made a coexisting port to PS4, not just with the two player-bases separated, but with PC players and PS4 players playing alongside one another. I've had plenty of fun with these games and never once felt I was at a significant disadvantage to PC players (despite "PC master race" arguments).
I will reiterate my opinion of the platform for which Legion is released. I would be fine if they put in on PC first, and later ported to PS4.
Cross-play in shooters doesn't work well. Trust me.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Sequal's Back
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.09.15 06:41:00 -
[205] - Quote
Ccp could do like DCUO : a pc server, and a PS3/PS4 server. Yes, PS4 players have an advantage, but that's a marketing move to push players to go on the next gen !
Bring your daughter... TO THE SLAUGHTER !
- Sequal Rise
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
18
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Posted - 2015.09.15 08:38:00 -
[206] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Void Echo wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:'My kind' is what happens when PC master race meets troll in a primarily console peasant environment (in this case dust)
I don't expect you to like me, i just expect you to accept that consoles aren't where this game should be. No, your not a troll, a troll provides intelligent remarks but at the same time makes people laugh a little, you are doing neither I'm afraid you overestimate the intelligence and sense of humour of most trolls. At least dust 514 trolls. On other games the average troll IQ is at least 80, here its at best 50
Hey!
I'm at least a 69 thank you very much!
AND THEN STEVE BUSCEMI SHOWS UP ON A FLYING PIG FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON
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RKKR
WarRavens
Imperium Eden
1
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Posted - 2015.09.15 08:39:00 -
[207] - Quote
One Eyed King wrote:RKKR wrote:The OP should also research on what CCP said about the features of (the current) DUST514 would be (and what CCP did with that one vampire game).
Actions > Words
Stop fantasizing/getting your hopes up.
I can say with a great degree of confidence the OP knows about all that. He has been around the game quite a long time. Since well before FF 14. My guess is that his optimism is based on a love for the game as well as being heavily invested in the game on several fronts. I may disagree with his post, but its no reason to assume ignorance or to suggest his optimism has less weight than your pessimism.
Since when is it wrong to voice my opinion on this?
What's wrong with my post? Did or did not CCP do those things? The only one that seems to suggest to weight anything is you with your post. He can make his believes based on words and I can make mine on previous actions.
But if a man can't even voice another view then what's the point of this forum? Circle jerking each other off like most of the people here already do?
Here is the thing in other (softer) words:
Does DUST get a port? Great
Doesn't DUST get a port? Great
So yeah I'm a pessimist . If it rains, it rains. I'm no pessimist for saying that it rains. |
el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.09.15 09:01:00 -
[208] - Quote
Mobius Wyvern wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Kevall Longstride wrote:
3. Eve Online funded Dust.
Again a falsehood spread by Eve players who don't seem to understand the basic premise that once you relinquish your money to a vendor, you lose all say in how that money spent by said vendor. CCP funded Dust and did so via venture capitalists as someone earlier linked.
LOL, ouch. HTFU, EVElings!! XD EVE players with superior attitudes are always spouting **** like that. They also make threads in Test Server Feedback claiming they are entitled to round-the-clock access to the Test server and that setting it to Dev-only for any reason is unacceptable. I LOVE watching CCP Falcon **** on those guys. Some people need to get it through their heads that $15 a month buys you access to Tranquility and THAT'S IT.
I'm no corporate apologist but that bit, based on some of the nasty comments in these forums and in-game from capsuleers, had me laugh. Tbh I don't agree with the logic but can only imagine some of the megalomanicism that goes on. I do also try to remember not everyone EVEside is like that (my local on DUSTs release had a ton of capsuleers trying to help NewEden noobs like me) and DUSTside some of us are probably just as bad if not worse at times. Myself included.
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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Count- -Crotchula
TasteTheTamsen
1
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Posted - 2015.09.15 12:07:00 -
[209] - Quote
this thread has a blue tag but I don't see a dev post anywhere!
anyway i sold my ps4 and wouldn't buy another one for DUST, I have my PC and do want to ugprade it, I'd get Legion or DUST for PC any day.
"you are pathetic little fat bald man sitting on the chair with chinese controller". -4lbert wesker
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
6
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Posted - 2015.09.15 14:23:00 -
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Sequal's Back wrote:Ccp could do like DCUO : a pc server, and a PS3/PS4 server. Yes, PS4 players have an advantage, but that's a marketing move to push players to go on the next gen !
You can't do that because the game is based in New Eden. The whole point is for all players in New Eden games to share the same world.
Imagine you were trying to take a planet, but your Corporation is on PS4 and you can't touch that planet because everyone who owns it is on PC. Not fun.
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Asad Thahab-Jabal
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Posted - 2015.09.15 14:26:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:You can't do that because the game is based in New Eden. The whole point is for all players in New Eden games to share the same world.
Imagine you were trying to take a planet, but your Corporation is on PS4 and you can't touch that planet because everyone who owns it is on PC. Not fun. Hate to break this to you, Mobius, but Eve: Valkyrie is standalone from Eve Online. It shares the same universe, but doesn't interact with New Eden directly. GUNJACK is the same.
CCP has accepted the idea of games set in New Eden, but not "touching" one another.
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Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2015.09.15 14:32:00 -
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Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:You can't do that because the game is based in New Eden. The whole point is for all players in New Eden games to share the same world.
Imagine you were trying to take a planet, but your Corporation is on PS4 and you can't touch that planet because everyone who owns it is on PC. Not fun. Hate to break this to you, Mobius, but Eve: Valkyrie is standalone from Eve Online. It shares the same universe, but doesn't interact with New Eden directly. GUNJACK is the same. CCP has accepted the idea of games set in New Eden, but not "touching" one another.
I'm well aware of that. However, neither of those games were built with the intention of linking to EVE Online. They were built from the ground up as standalones.
That's not the case with Dust 514. It was meant from the start to link with EVE and have all players sharing the same world the same way EVE does.
Keep in mind that EVR and Gunjack weren't even games initially. EVR was a tech demo made by a small group in their spare time that they decided to take further based on a LOT of tester feeback and all the public events they took it to, and Gunjack was inspired by that project. Especially consider that Gunjack is a mobile game.
If Dust 514 had no link to EVE, or was made by another company, would most of us even still be playing it? Part of why I never really had hope for Project Legion was because they said at the initial announcement that EVE: Legion would launch with NO EVE LINK WHATSOEVER, and that in fact Dust 514 would retain the link to EVE even though it would no longer receive client updates. They didn't even give any estimates on when EVE: Legion would actually be integrated into EVE.
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Posted - 2015.09.15 16:00:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:If Dust 514 had no link to EVE, or was made by another company, would most of us even still be playing it? To be quite honest - in three years of playing Dust I never interacted with a capsuleer - I only know what an Eve orbital strike looks like from the Fanfest 2013 presentation and the following trailer.
So if you ask me, I don't need Eve. To be quite honest I'm not sure the tie with Tranquility has done Dust any good so far.
Mind you, the connection to tranquility *could* make Dust a spectacular game. That is undisputed. But as for the past, present or mid term future there's nothing TQ does for Dust. The Eve franchise is a nice marketing pull, but considering that this game hasn't had any marketing in quite a while I'm not even sure the Eve universe is helping the game a lot.
I'd really like to know how many of our newberries are actually aware of the tie in with Eve online. Eve is a nieche game. Dust is even more of a nieche game. I'm not sure the link between them is very important to Dust. |
Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2015.09.15 16:58:00 -
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Stefan Stahl wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:If Dust 514 had no link to EVE, or was made by another company, would most of us even still be playing it? To be quite honest - in three years of playing Dust I never interacted with a capsuleer - I only know what an Eve orbital strike looks like from the Fanfest 2013 presentation and the following trailer. So if you ask me, I don't need Eve. To be quite honest I'm not sure the tie with Tranquility has done Dust any good so far. Mind you, the connection to tranquility *could* make Dust a spectacular game. That is undisputed. But as for the past, present or mid term future there's nothing TQ does for Dust. The Eve franchise is a nice marketing pull, but considering that this game hasn't had any marketing in quite a while I'm not even sure the Eve universe is helping the game a lot. I'd really like to know how many of our newberries are actually aware of the tie in with Eve online. Eve is a nieche game. Dust is even more of a nieche game. I'm not sure the link between them is very important to Dust.
If nothing else, all of us connecting to the same server is essential for the international focus of Dust 514. Once you get into separate servers you split people up who might otherwise interact and make cool stories happen while playing.
Any other company would have made separate regional servers and instanced everything, and that would take away from the feeling of all of us being in one big world.
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The Eristic
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Posted - 2015.09.15 23:31:00 -
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Came for the blue tag. Left disappointed.
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Posted - 2015.09.15 23:44:00 -
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One Eyed King
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Posted - 2015.09.15 23:56:00 -
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RKKR wrote:One Eyed King wrote:RKKR wrote:The OP should also research on what CCP said about the features of (the current) DUST514 would be (and what CCP did with that one vampire game).
Actions > Words
Stop fantasizing/getting your hopes up.
I can say with a great degree of confidence the OP knows about all that. He has been around the game quite a long time. Since well before FF 14. My guess is that his optimism is based on a love for the game as well as being heavily invested in the game on several fronts. I may disagree with his post, but its no reason to assume ignorance or to suggest his optimism has less weight than your pessimism. Since when is it wrong to voice my opinion on this? What's wrong with my post? Did or did not CCP do those things? The only one that seems to suggest to weight anything is you with your post. He can make his believes based on words and I can make mine on previous actions. But if a man can't even voice another view then what's the point of this forum? Circle jerking each other off like most of the people here already do? Here is the thing in other (softer) words: Does DUST get a port? GreatDoesn't DUST get a port? GreatSo yeah I'm a pessimist . If it rains, it rains. I'm no pessimist for saying that it rains.
Calling someone's optimism fantasies suggests that your pessimism is somehow more real. That is both a wrong action and an inaccurate statement.
Lets look at what happened post FF14.
We thought the game was over. We had no idea how long they were keeping the lights on, or what would become of Dust.
In comes Rattati, and with merely Hotfixes at his disposal, he does more to balance the game than the entirety of what CCP did prior to his arrival. THEN, at a point when we think we are only getting Hotfixes, and were happy to have them instead of nothing at all, we get updates and new content!
You aren't wrong to say it rains when it rains. But you ARE a pessimist when you ignore the days that it is sunny too.
Then you went so far as to hear someone say its sunny when it is sunny and call it a fantasy. That is hypocritical.
The reality is, there is reason for optimism as well as pessimism, and neither party knows what the future holds. If optimism is a fantasy, its no more or less a fantasy than your pessimism.
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Aiwha Bait
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Posted - 2015.09.16 04:16:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:Respectfully Mr Bait,
When someone talks TO you it is, by definition, direct.
Of course there are people doing things with DUST that we never hear of or from. Hilmar comes to mind.
But these mystery people do not talk to us and any opinion we form of them is founded upon what we know.
So it is surprising to hear from multiple CPM2s about how great and contributory CCP Rouge has been.
And, again, I will gladly suspend and reform my negative opinions if and when someone with DIRECT knowledge and insight lists some of those contributions.
How is my position unreasonable in this matter?
Sorry for being two or three days late. Got lost in my notifications.
I never said your position was unreasonable. I actually agree with you on some points. What you want is a very reasonable request.
(This is the part where I say your post is unreasonable)
I think you're being unreasonable when you say that these "mystery people", I assume the actual programmers, don't talk to us. Why should they? Is it their job to do that? No. Their job is to program, make art, music, etc. It is the job of CCP Frame, as Community Manager (I think he is), and CCP Rattati, as executive producer?, to talk to us about the state of the game.
The " mystery people" do their talking in the Monday meetings when they report to Rattati and Rouge. It would be nice if we got a monthly update, or biweekly update, about some of the things discussed in the Monday meetings.
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Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2015.09.16 16:43:00 -
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Aiwha Bait wrote:howard sanchez wrote:Respectfully Mr Bait,
When someone talks TO you it is, by definition, direct.
Of course there are people doing things with DUST that we never hear of or from. Hilmar comes to mind.
But these mystery people do not talk to us and any opinion we form of them is founded upon what we know.
So it is surprising to hear from multiple CPM2s about how great and contributory CCP Rouge has been.
And, again, I will gladly suspend and reform my negative opinions if and when someone with DIRECT knowledge and insight lists some of those contributions.
How is my position unreasonable in this matter? Sorry for being two or three days late. Got lost in my notifications. I never said your position was unreasonable. I actually agree with you on some points. What you want is a very reasonable request. (This is the part where I say your post is unreasonable) I think you're being unreasonable when you say that these "mystery people", I assume the actual programmers, don't talk to us. Why should they? Is it their job to do that? No. Their job is to program, make art, music, etc. It is the job of CCP Frame, as Community Manager (I think he is), and CCP Rattati, as executive producer?, to talk to us about the state of the game. The " mystery people" do their talking in the Monday meetings when they report to Rattati and Rouge. It would be nice if we got a monthly update, or biweekly update, about some of the things discussed in the Monday meetings.
I concur with the updated suggestion. Obviously the development team at large can't all be on the forums all the time or you end up with Planetside 2.
Getting a small peak into weekly progress on the game would help eliminate the appearance of stagnation, however.
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Posted - 2015.09.16 16:52:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Getting a small peak into weekly progress on the game would help eliminate the appearance of stagnation, however. Warframe has hour-ish long streams called devstreams where the community manager and some random people from the staff get on camera and just answer questions, talk about upcoming features, balancing that might happen in the near-term, events, etc. DE also gives away prizes during the stream.
I think they are every 2 weeks.
Imagine if Dust had something similar. Devs posting on the forums is great, and I like the feedback threads, but Rattati never talks about the future of the game beyond the next minor balancing tweak he wants to do... not exactly inspiring to the playerbase.
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