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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.09.13 17:24:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014.
Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.13 17:28:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014. Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014.
Yea, instead of focusing it on Rouge it should instead be focused on CCP as a whole, since they're to blame for all but pulling the plug on this game.
He's just a face. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.09.13 17:36:00 -
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Murder Medic wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014. Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014. Yea, instead of focusing it on Rouge it should instead be focused on CCP as a whole, since they're to blame for all but pulling the plug on this game. He's just a face.
Why are we bothering with that tired horse anymore? The horse is long dead. it's body is bone powder.
Quit beating it.
Being buttmad about something that happened a year ago and more isn't going to make the game magically better.
they handed off control of the game to rattati. Quite bluntly the game started improving almost immediately given limited resources.
Is it where we want it?
No.
But we're getting faster progress than we did with the pre-2014 dev team, and more information shared to boot.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Vesta Opalus
Rebels New Republic
The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.09.13 17:50:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:While skipping over the "port naow" posts looking for something worth reading in GD, it occurred to me that the lowest moment in Dust's history -- the infamous Rouge Wedding -- was in fact nothing short of a port announcement!
More content.
Sexier graphics.
Better framework.
Fewer middlemen.
Presumably less lag.
Larger potential playerbase.
Etc ...
... and we freakin' crucified the dude.
If CCP Rouge waltzed in today and announced the very same thing he announced in 2014, would we not hail him as hero and savior?
I applauded him (in my mind since he couldnt hear me anyway, as I was not there). However its easy to recognize how tone deaf and clueless the announcement was and I understand why much of the community was butthurt about it. |
501st Headstrong
0uter.Heaven
2
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Posted - 2015.09.13 17:50:00 -
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A port is a continuation of the game. Legion was not going to be Dust.
And the fact that it was a new game at the Dust 514 keynote is great. The majority of this playerbase is on console. Sorry it's true.
However, people now know a ton more about why we can't have what we want on Dust via transparency. So we want a port. We want a port we can FOLLOW. 800 dollars in a PC, jesus no thank you. You guys who found the money to make one of those while paying food and rent congratd. Not everyone has that luxury.
Us filthy casuals who wanna log on, play with friends and then go to bed because we pull 12 hr shifts at work or school, yea boohoo to us right?
At least we know our limits on the PS4. For PC, so many different builds. Honestly what's the diference between constantly updating a PC vs changing consoles?
There is a no ultraright answer, but I inplore CCP to not turn their back on us again. Make it work.
TLDR: Legion was not a Port Announcement |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.09.13 18:15:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:Cat Merc wrote:I believe what Aeon is saying is that Rouge wasn't the one who made that decision.
He was CCP Shanghai's public face, but there was a net of strings behind the scene that made various decisions, decisions that Rouge didn't approve of and yet had to speak for.
CCP Shanghai had some staff pruning post FanFest 2014, particularly in the PR and marketing department. Thanks Cat for making that point. And IF that is what Aeon and Darth are trying to say then they should say THAT. And more. In clear and simple language without cryptic scoldings towards us. Because I have never heard Rouge say anything like that. I have never heard anything from Rouge ( who supposedly is in charge of Dust). Again, want me and others to change our opinion about what happened, why and his role then and since? Wait, for it..... Communication
I'm aware. The CPM is aware. CCP is aware. There is a strong desire for communication and we are doing everything we can to accomodate you (see Council's Chambers sub-forum and my blog).
Please have patience and try to consider the different perspectives.
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2015.09.13 18:43:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:
Being buttmad about something that happened a year ago and more isn't going to make the game magically better.
And being optimistic about things that have never happened won't magically give this game a full dev team with a proper budget.
We're both beating the same dead horse, just different ends |
howard sanchez
Vader's-Fist
The Empire of New Eden
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 20:42:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:howard sanchez wrote:Cat Merc wrote:I believe what Aeon is saying is that Rouge wasn't the one who made that decision.
He was CCP Shanghai's public face, but there was a net of strings behind the scene that made various decisions, decisions that Rouge didn't approve of and yet had to speak for.
CCP Shanghai had some staff pruning post FanFest 2014, particularly in the PR and marketing department. Thanks Cat for making that point. And IF that is what Aeon and Darth are trying to say then they should say THAT. And more. In clear and simple language without cryptic scoldings towards us. Because I have never heard Rouge say anything like that. I have never heard anything from Rouge ( who supposedly is in charge of Dust). Again, want me and others to change our opinion about what happened, why and his role then and since? Wait, for it..... Communication I'm aware. The CPM is aware. CCP is aware. There is a strong desire for communication and we are doing everything we can to accomodate you (see Council's Chambers sub-forum and my blog). Please have patience and try to consider the different perspectives.
Oh Aeon,
I am patient. And I do appreciate what you, Darth, Cross, Breakin and many others are doing to engender change in the way communication happens here. Please do not mistake my postings for anything other than what they are: my meager attempt to support that effort as well.
I am not stupid or ignorant of how the world and business works. I believe that Rouge, Ratatti, and even Hilmar have the games' best interest at heart.
By making the posts and statements I make I am trying to leverage change in the direction I believe would help most - more open and transparent communication between CCP and its players.
I have consistently advocated this approach for all the years I have been here.
And, for what it is worth, I appreciate CCP's position. Managing expectations and customer response to change can be frought with risk. But ccp accepts this risk to a greater degree with eve than they do with dust.
I am pushing for a similar level of engagement from the whole dust team ( Rouge) towards the players.
So, CPM2, all of you - thank you for the efforts you are making in this direction. I know there is a lot of stuff happening behind scenes that we are not privy too. And it is possible that CCP, Rouge and the rest are making great strides that will improve DUST in many of the ways we desire.
But we have been here before - reassurances that all is well and will be revealed in good time.
And that is what I am afraid of. I don't want to be misled again.
Thank you for all you do...please continue to consider the benefits of growing trust and further player commitment and loyalty through increased transparency and communication. |
J0LLY R0G3R
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Posted - 2015.09.13 20:49:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:While skipping over the "port naow" posts looking for something worth reading in GD, it occurred to me that the lowest moment in Dust's history -- the infamous Rouge Wedding -- was in fact nothing short of a port announcement!
More content.
Sexier graphics.
Better framework.
Fewer middlemen.
Presumably less lag.
Larger potential playerbase.
Etc ...
... and we freakin' crucified the dude.
If CCP Rouge waltzed in today and announced the very same thing he announced in 2014, would we not hail him as hero and savior?
Wasn't it announced as something being ported to PC?
Console(only) players will never be happy about that. No matter what year. |
Sequal's Back
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 21:14:00 -
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There are things, and the way you say things. And the second part is as important as the first.
CCP are the worst communicant and decision makers I've ever seen. That's your reason.
Bring your daughter... TO THE SLAUGHTER !
- Sequal Rise
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University
Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2015.09.13 21:30:00 -
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OK.
Wall of text incoming. This will be my last post on this subject, if it is brought up again I'm going to bookmark my post and simply link to it in the future.
Some of this will be based on conversations I've had or have been told about that are now public domain. Some will based on my interpretation so you should take it at face value but also as someone that was actually there to witness events as they unfolded and weren't on the stream, my experience is going to different to those of you watching via the internet.
First of all two things to confess that I've spoken about before but worth repeating again in the context of this thread.
1. I had prior knowledge of Legion. I was one of a small number of players who'd been contacted and asked for opinion on the subject. I do know who the other players are but its up to them if they wish to confirm it. For the record, I was unsurprised at the switch to PC for Legion because it was clear even then that CCP's original vision for the game couldn't be realised on the PS3. (at the time the specs for the PS4 were unknown) but I said that announcing at Fanfest was a dumb idea. More on that later.
2. I'm responsible for the 'Rouge Wedding' tag. Over lunch just after the keynote I was on a table with Kane, Aeon, Charlie Iddon and a couple of others going through the explosion that at happened on twitter with the new hash-tag #dust514redwedding. I commented at the time that I thought that was rather unimaginative because as CCP Rouge is French and as it means Red it should be #RougeWedding...... all at the table started using it.
CCP Rouge has forgiven me but I doubt he'll forget.
First of all Legions announcement was, as has already been widely reported, first and foremost a marketing decision. The wisdom of that decision or rather the lack of it is no longer up for debate. It was hoped that an auditorium of predominately PC owning Eve players would give a rousing cheer live on stream as to the news of a format switch and in fairness, it succeeded in doing that.
Now as to the validity of allowing marketing people to make decisions that will effect community relations, my views are similar to Mr. Bill Hicks but he expresses them so much better than I could.
As has been reported in the past, the keynote was so short because CCP Rouge was under the impression that the round table Q&A session he was doing immediately after, where he could explain the reasoning for Legion and the move to PC, was also going to be live streamed. It was not. And to say that he was upset about that would be a monstrous understatement.
Another reason, if one were needed, that when decisions effecting community relations are made, the marketing people shouldn't be in the room.
There then followed a rather hectic day where Charlie Iddon and CCP Frame hit the forums to calm folks down if possible and myself, CCP Saberwing and CPM0 did similar work at the venue itself. At the insistence of CPM0, myself and the others there, Rouge basically kept crashing EVE.TV as much as he was able to get across the message that character transfer to Legion was a priority. He also went on stage again during Hilmar's keynote to repeat this.
The handling of the Legion announcement was a debacle and is described as such by CCP themselves. The lessons learnt from it have consequences even now. CCP policy is now not to promise anything till they are sure that it can be delivered. This was demonstrated clearly at Fanfest this year with the dropping of the usual 'CCP Presents' keynote on the Saturday for the UFC event with the Dev's.
For those unfamiliar with the 'CCP Presents' Keynote on the final day of Fanfest, it's where they share with the players a vision of what they want to do over the next year or two. Having been to the last four Fanfests in person and watched most the ones previous to that on YouTube and via the stream, I don't think it unkind to say that about 80% of what is shown at 'CCP Presents' never happens anyway. But they show the new Eve game trailer with its flashiness at the end of it and everyone leaves whooping.
But this year, even the new trailer was a very low key affair compared to previous ones. Part of CCP's new low key approach. But it was also something that they've delivered on for a change. The drifters are playing merry hell in Eve right now.
So anyway, Rouge became the public face of somebody else's cockup basically.
Since then CCP Rouge as undertaken a pretty substantial overhaul of the procedures and working practices of CCP Shanghai, where he is now Studio Director, responsible for the China Eve Server, Serenity as well as Gunjack, Dust 514 and like all game studios any other projects that they might be working on. But the day to to day running of Dust is what CCP Rattati does as senior producer. If there is one decision that I think the community will agree was a smart move by Rouge, it was the one that put Rattati in charge of the game.
Now there is more that I could say but obviously I'm bound by NDA. But all that I've said in this post is already out there. It also goes a little way to explaining CCP reluctance to share stuff till they're ready and know it'll happen. CPM 2 like CPM's 0 & 1 before them will continue to prod and poke them to be a little more open when possible. But ultimately that is CCP's decsion when that happens.
Rattati has already started asking questions of you all for the next hotfix. So have a look and make your views known. Rattati trawls the forums when ever he can so chances are he'll read your ideas and who knows, see about doing something about them.
CPM 1&2 Member
CEO of DUST University
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Meee One
Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 21:32:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:howard sanchez wrote:Respectfully Mr Bait,
When someone talks TO you it is, by definition, direct.
Of course there are people doing things with DUST that we never hear of or from. Hilmar comes to mind.
But these mystery people do not talk to us and any opinion we form of them is founded upon what we know.
So it is surprising to hear from multiple CPM2s about how great and contributory CCP Rouge has been.
And, again, I will gladly suspend and reform my negative opinions if and when someone with DIRECT knowledge and insight lists some of those contributions.
How is my position unreasonable in this matter? I wouldn't say it's unreasonable, but it's pretty clear that right now Rattati is the only one that can handle this place right now.
People make time for something they find important to them.
Rattati finds Dust community input important,Rouge doesn't.
Official Blueberry of the Forums.
Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.09.13 22:30:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:-Snip-
Liked, then unliked, because you implicated me in something I had nothing to do with >=\
I couldn't have been one of the ones using the Rouge Wedding hasher! I didn't understand the context because I didn't (and still don't) watch Game of Thrones 
But yes, everything that Kevall is saying here besides that obvious ****-up of my involvement with #rougewedding (which I'll make him pay for later) is fairly accurate. I remember all of us sort of mulling over the situation, Hans and I especially, whenever we were in the lobby at the HARPA center (it is a lot smaller than it looks, surprisingly).
I made a thread about it while I was waiting for my flight in Washington that you can do some compare/contrast of views and mentalities then and now.
But when you get right down to it.... apart from the delivery and the platform debate, Legion (at the time) really was exactly what everyone was asking for. Rouge looked at the situation and acknowledged that it was never going to happen on the PS3, acknowledged that all of the problems that had occurred up until that point were over-hyped, over-promised, and impossible to deliver on... So he made the necessary changes to try and make that vision a reality.
And in return he got crucified on the forums and branded the reason for it all going south.
Put yourself in the guy's shoes. You're hired on to make this all work, you make those changes, you announce them in quite honestly one of the biggest game marketing backstabbings in history, and then the community with which you made those changes for blames you for it all.
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.09.13 22:37:00 -
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I have nothing to add at this point.
Just that getting pissed at rouge and rattati for the state of the game instead of looking at what has improved on their watch is rather akin to whipping a cancer victim for being sick.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 22:44:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:
You're hired on to make this all work, you make those changes, you announce them in quite honestly one of the biggest game marketing backstabbings in history, and then the community with which you made those changes for blames you for it all.
This...is basically justifying that backlash he received.
And GoT is awesome, it's not that first season of Spartacus or anything but it's still awesome.
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 22:50:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:I have nothing to add at this point.
Just that getting pissed at rouge and rattati for the state of the game instead of looking at what has improved on their watch is rather akin to whipping a cancer victim for being sick.
Without pointing fingers though it's just as worthwhile to recognize that for the time it takes to get actual broken stuff fixed as well as fixed without creating twice as many other problems expecting a playerbase to continue silently participating let alone financially supporting this endeavour is a real stretch of imaginative expectations.
"I want to love you baby, but...some of your bits ain't nice"
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
11
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Posted - 2015.09.13 23:30:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:I have nothing to add at this point.
Just that getting pissed at rouge and rattati for the state of the game instead of looking at what has improved on their watch is rather akin to whipping a cancer victim for being sick. Without pointing fingers though it's just as worthwhile to recognize that for the time it takes to get actual broken stuff fixed as well as fixed without creating twice as many other problems expecting a playerbase to continue silently participating let alone financially supporting this endeavour is a real stretch of imaginative expectations. "I want to love you baby, but...some of your bits ain't nice"
If you don't like the results that have happened that's fine.
It's the residual hate earned by someone else pinned to him that I object to.
Now if you were blaming ME for something I'd take credit and gloat about it. Because it's fun.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 23:40:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:I have nothing to add at this point.
Just that getting pissed at rouge and rattati for the state of the game instead of looking at what has improved on their watch is rather akin to whipping a cancer victim for being sick. Without pointing fingers though it's just as worthwhile to recognize that for the time it takes to get actual broken stuff fixed as well as fixed without creating twice as many other problems expecting a playerbase to continue silently participating let alone financially supporting this endeavour is a real stretch of imaginative expectations. "I want to love you baby, but...some of your bits ain't nice" If you don't like the results that have happened that's fine. It's the residual hate earned by someone else pinned to him that I object to. Now if you were blaming ME for something I'd take credit and gloat about it. Because it's fun.
Definitley agreed on "don't blame the messenger".
As a professional I doubt were you him that you'd behave like you describe, it'd just make all things worse. But I get your point.
Anyone interested can search my posts from that period and see where I stood on the matter.
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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howard sanchez
Vader's-Fist
The Empire of New Eden
1
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Posted - 2015.09.14 04:03:00 -
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Kevall,
Thank you for taking the time to put down, in detail, the circumstances and events that led us here from that fateful day.
And, to the rest of CPM2, thank you for your contributions and persistence in making your case.
I have a better understanding and appreciation for why he would find the term Rouge Wedding so offensive and misplaced. And for that reason I will cease using it ( though, admittedly, I sometimes did this as barb meant to elicit a response).
But, to reiterate my position for clarity: I do not "blame" Rouge, Ratatti or anyone for Dust's current state. I applaud Rattati and Co. For what DUST is and how far it has come this past year and a half. Dust is, right now, better than it has ever been.
And this is my gravest concern. You and others on the CPM have made clear that CCP won't tell us what they have planned until it's much more of a sure thing. Ok, I accept that.
So where does that leave is now? How far from a sure thing are we? The courses of action that have been discussed ( by the plAyer base because ccp won't talk) are PS4 and PC.
We have no word or confirmed direction from CCP so, based on your argument, we are not close enough to a sure thing for them to tell us.
Do you see where this is going?
I do not agree with any unspoken plan on ccp's part to withold this information from the players until such a time that marketing and promotion minded staff deem it most advantageous to the company to reveal. I don't want to hear about a port at fan fest or eve Vegas. I want to hear it from Ratatti or, even Rouge!, as soon as they decide the plan to port is firm and feasible.
We are the core playerbase. If ccp ports dust is will grow exponentially. The product is that good. You need us to help make this successful. Ccp should commit to us as we have to them. Don't ******* jerk us around with a big splashy but delayed reveal.
My complaint is not with dust. It is with ccp's lack of trust in the p,ayers of dust despite our loyalty to them.
Thanks again CPM2 for stepping up to the mic. We need more of this!
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.09.14 05:17:00 -
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We were mad because Rogue wasn't interested in a smooth transition. Instead he wanted to start basically completely over, and his talk of maintaing progress was surprisingly ambiguous.
This was also much reason to suspect that for months many developers who were supposed to be working on Dust were actually dedicating their time to Legion. To make things worse, many of these developers left subsequently which means that there are no longer the necessary staff to improve the game.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2015.09.14 05:27:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:We were mad because Rogue wasn't interested in a smooth transition. Instead he wanted to start basically completely over, and his talk of maintaing progress was surprisingly ambiguous.
This was also much reason to suspect that for months many developers who were supposed to be working on Dust were actually dedicating their time to Legion. To make things worse, many of these developers left subsequently which means that there are no longer the necessary staff to improve the game.
Also with them axing WoD, and more recently throwing themselves into even more projects, it's hard to believe they're even working on Legion somewhere in the dark.
And really. With the way CCP balances games....the thought of them working on it alone in the dark is almost more terrifying then them not working on anything at all.
Basically, it seems that placing faith in CCP is kind of like placing faith in the giant spaghetti monster: it's fun, but it doesn't really net you much in the end. |
Kevall Longstride
DUST University
Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2015.09.14 06:57:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:I don't want to hear about a port at fan fest or eve Vegas. I want to hear it from Ratatti or, even Rouge!, as soon as they decide the plan to port is firm and feasible.
The one thing that I can be fairly certain of after my conversations with Rouge and Rattati is that when CCP are ready to tell you something it'll be here on these forums and not wait for a public event again. CCP made that mistake once before.
CPM 1&2 Member
CEO of DUST University
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jett it
MONSTER SYNERGY
345
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Posted - 2015.09.14 10:13:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote: ... it's pretty clear that right now Rattati is the only one that can handle this place. CCP Rattati, Lord of the Rings.
Ahahahahahahah LOLOL 
jettGaming - Youtube
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
6
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Posted - 2015.09.14 12:02:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:howard sanchez wrote:I don't want to hear about a port at fan fest or eve Vegas. I want to hear it from Ratatti or, even Rouge!, as soon as they decide the plan to port is firm and feasible. The one thing that I can be fairly certain of after my conversations with Rouge and Rattati is that when CCP are ready to tell you something it'll be here on these forums and not wait for a public event again. CCP made that mistake once before.
That's great to hear, Kevall.
I just hope we haven't risen to a bitterness level by that point that even CCP Rattati is afraid to come here.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet
RUST415
386
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Posted - 2015.09.14 13:20:00 -
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Jammeh McJam wrote:Be careful bro, these types of threads attract console peasants like flies...
PC is the only place a game of this calibre deserves to be, not on the ps4 getting drooled on by filthy casuals
Dude! I rock an Alienware and I play on consoles. They serve their purpose and people can get a console for a couple hundred bucks rather than shell out over a grand. |
Mex-0
Corrosive Synergy
857
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Posted - 2015.09.14 13:51:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:While skipping over the "port naow" posts looking for something worth reading in GD, it occurred to me that the lowest moment in Dust's history -- the infamous Rouge Wedding -- was in fact nothing short of a port announcement!
More content.
Sexier graphics.
Better framework.
Fewer middlemen.
Presumably less lag.
Larger potential playerbase.
Etc ...
... and we freakin' crucified the dude.
If Rouge waltzed in today and announced the very same thing he announced in 2014, we'd hail him as hero and savior.
Amiright? No, the reason we "freakin' crucified the dude" was because he announced that they were basically ditching not only our community but all of our progress in Dust and moving to PC. None of the Round Tables where they confirmed that our progress would be kept and that this was actually aimed at the current playerbase were streamed on Twitch. Therefore the only thing seen by all of us watching the stream and not in attendance in Iceland was that we were all being ditched in exchange for the PC crowd while the Twitch chat was spammed with "PC MASTER RACE" and how all of us who currently play the game never deserved it in the first place. THAT is why we all got pissed. Personally, I went down to my PS3, logged into Dust, and ranted with my Corp members for almost 10 minutes straight before I finally calmed down enough to come back upstairs and watch more of the stream. I still firmly believe that the acceptable platform migration is to PS4 because this game already has an honestly fanatically dedicated community on PSN and many of those people don't own a gaming PC or even a PC of sufficient strength to play this game were it to be mirgrated, thereby necessitating that they either spend at least $600-$800 (Don't even come at me with that $400 gaming PC bullshit, because we all know it's just that) to acquire a PC just to play this game, or else they're just out of luck. Upgrading to the next console has been a reality of console gaming for years, and you'd have a damn hard time finding anyone who currently still owns a PS3 who would be mad about the game moving up to PS4 for the sake of improvement and more content. That's what console games do, and have done since consoles were first made. I think CCP's original concept of creating a New Eden themed game for console gamers to bring a brand new group of gamers into the New Eden world was an excellent idea, and I don't think they should ditch that just because it's easier. Since when does CCP not do things the hard way just to show that they can? Seems to have worked pretty well for EVE Online so far.
Well, I personally don't care who we crucify, as long as we crucify someone...
HELLO
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Soraya Xel
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.09.14 13:54:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Rattati finds Dust community input important,Rouge doesn't.
This is utter bull. Rouge is running an entire game studio, and so, no, he isn't on the forums directly himself, but he's the guy who put Rattati in charge of DUST, and is behind what Rattati is doing 110%.
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
6
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Posted - 2015.09.14 13:58:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Meee One wrote:Rattati finds Dust community input important,Rouge doesn't. This is utter bull. Rouge is running an entire game studio, and so, no, he isn't on the forums directly himself, but he's the guy who put Rattati in charge of DUST, and is behind what Rattati is doing 110%.
Unfortunately as the frontman he innevitably ends up taking the flak for pretty much everything wrong with the game whether directly responsible or not.
Kinda like Hopper said in A Bug's Life: "First rule of leadership: everything is your fault."
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.14 15:45:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Meee One wrote:Rattati finds Dust community input important,Rouge doesn't. This is utter bull. Rouge is running an entire game studio, and so, no, he isn't on the forums directly himself, but he's the guy who put Rattati in charge of DUST, and is behind what Rattati is doing 110%.
So was it Rouge or Hilmar that pulled the majority of staff and funds off of DUST? |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
12
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Posted - 2015.09.14 15:46:00 -
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I sees blue tag on this here thread but no blue post?
Eve Online Invite
https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
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