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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.09.12 19:44:00 -
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Jammeh McJam wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:No, that is not what was announced.
What was announced was DUST514 was being moved to PC. At that current time, the DUST player base was probably 65/35 Console to PC players. Yes, we told CCP from the beginning that DUST514 is not a console game, they should go ahead and move it to PC back in Beta. They refused to or already had too much time invested and marched on. Which therefore established the console player majority player base.
CCP turned their back on the core playerbase that suffered through 3 years of torment. Doing so, resulted in lighting a flame feel of betrayal.
If CCP had announced Legion to be coming to PC and PS4, there wouldn't be any rioting or flames; however, CCP didn't and I agree with the hatred movement from the players against CCP, at that time. There's no such thing as "not being a console game". The whole reason they made Dust 514 in the first place was to give console gamers an experience that the current console developers hadn't given them before. And it failed, so time to bring it back home to the PC master race
The game failed the playerbase, not the other way around. Don't get it twisted.
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Posted - 2015.09.12 22:05:00 -
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The lack of accurate recall in here is crazy. The FF2014 announcement was a riot because in the preceeding months DUST had been due multiple fixes for various game elements and mechanics that didn't happen. Instead it was months of total silence from the dev team, then, during what was supposed to be an expose of DUST's year(s) to come was an announcement that CCP had effectively quit doing anything support-wise for DUST so as to create a demo for Legion. And don't forget in those weeks prior there was the escalation of monetization elements (100% boosters, anyone?). THAT's the environment that announcement was made in. Would people react the same to the same announcement now? Who knows. Could CCPs dev group at the time handled the problems that existed then, as Rattati has since? Who knows.
The latter question tho is the real kicker. At the end of the day it comes down to the old adage, "Where there's a will, there's a way." If CCP want to grow the relationship they've fostered with the console gaming community, then they will. If they want to diversify their clientele base by branching (farther?) into mobile, then they will. If they want to solely want to rely on the support of the "PCMasterRace" then they'll do that. IMHO, if they felt last of those was a worthwhile goal then they never would've grown into the console market in the first place.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.09.12 22:22:00 -
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If Rouge ran point, half the reason he's there is so that he gets shot first. **** just comes with the job.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.09.13 02:05:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014. Rouge hate was misdirected, but I would say CCP Shanghai hate was justified. Quite. Also, it ever occur to any of you people posting with superior attitudes about PCs that you're a major reason why many of the current community wouldn't follow the game to PC? The honest fact is that your attitude is so repugnant that many people play console games to avoid it. A gaming PC costs more than a console, and PC games usually involve the use of 3rd party software like VoIP that some people don't want to deal with. Let's also keep in mind that some people have families and a console is more accessible to both the parent and the kids. These people are NOT inferior. In their defense, the 3rd party VOIPs would probably be a lot more reliable.
Until they aren't for whatever reason and then we're ******.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.09.13 02:31:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:The lack of accurate recall in here is crazy. The FF2014 announcement was a riot because in the preceeding months DUST had been due multiple fixes for various game elements and mechanics that didn't happen. Instead it was months of total silence from the dev team, then, during what was supposed to be an expose of DUST's year(s) to come was an announcement that CCP had effectively quit doing anything support-wise for DUST so as to create a demo for Legion. And don't forget in those weeks prior there was the escalation of monetization elements (100% boosters, anyone?). THAT's the environment that announcement was made in. Would people react the same to the same announcement now? Who knows. Could CCPs dev group at the time handled the problems that existed then, as Rattati has since? Who knows.
The latter question tho is the real kicker. At the end of the day it comes down to the old adage, "Where there's a will, there's a way." If CCP want to grow the relationship they've fostered with the console gaming community, then they will. If they want to diversify their clientele base by branching (farther?) into mobile, then they will. If they want to solely want to rely on the support of the "PCMasterRace" then they'll do that. IMHO, if they felt last of those was a worthwhile goal then they never would've grown into the console market in the first place. This guy speaks trufacts.
Careful with this, this town'll run you out on a rail for associating with the likes of me.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.09.13 22:44:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:
You're hired on to make this all work, you make those changes, you announce them in quite honestly one of the biggest game marketing backstabbings in history, and then the community with which you made those changes for blames you for it all.
This...is basically justifying that backlash he received.
And GoT is awesome, it's not that first season of Spartacus or anything but it's still awesome.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.09.13 22:50:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:I have nothing to add at this point.
Just that getting pissed at rouge and rattati for the state of the game instead of looking at what has improved on their watch is rather akin to whipping a cancer victim for being sick.
Without pointing fingers though it's just as worthwhile to recognize that for the time it takes to get actual broken stuff fixed as well as fixed without creating twice as many other problems expecting a playerbase to continue silently participating let alone financially supporting this endeavour is a real stretch of imaginative expectations.
"I want to love you baby, but...some of your bits ain't nice"
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Posted - 2015.09.13 23:40:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:I have nothing to add at this point.
Just that getting pissed at rouge and rattati for the state of the game instead of looking at what has improved on their watch is rather akin to whipping a cancer victim for being sick. Without pointing fingers though it's just as worthwhile to recognize that for the time it takes to get actual broken stuff fixed as well as fixed without creating twice as many other problems expecting a playerbase to continue silently participating let alone financially supporting this endeavour is a real stretch of imaginative expectations. "I want to love you baby, but...some of your bits ain't nice" If you don't like the results that have happened that's fine. It's the residual hate earned by someone else pinned to him that I object to. Now if you were blaming ME for something I'd take credit and gloat about it. Because it's fun.
Definitley agreed on "don't blame the messenger". As a professional I doubt were you him that you'd behave like you describe, it'd just make all things worse. But I get your point.
Anyone interested can search my posts from that period and see where I stood on the matter.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.09.14 20:01:00 -
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Lighten up in here, people. This whole PC/Console user debate isn't neccessary and isn't going to solve or answer any of the problems or questions about DUST. FACT- Assholes exist everywhere, especially online regardless of your interface. FACT- PS3/4 just like a PC is a computer first so it's open to manipulation, especially if online (see above).
Personally, I grew out of the PC gaming environment years ago, tired of dealing all the random bs that came with it. Hardware issues, software issues, fotw upgrade chasing, ridiculous amounts of player generated cheats and exploits. Theres a couple cites ^ about a couple console games with issues- those are the NOT the norm console-side. Yes, there are games with game generated issues, "glitches", that once players learn of they will use or exploit but those are not the norm. And they're nothing at all like the crazyness of random **** that happens PCside. On top of the spiderweb of various 3rd party hardwares and softwares and updates etc, any which if they fail or develop a conflict of operation result in forced time NOT gaming but instead scouring the PC parts suppliers or climbing the techsupport chat trees. My console is a sealed magicbox full of fairies railing stardust that I plug in, turn on and play. When the faires die or run out of crack from my slavedriving I just get a whole new one cheap, and decide if I'm going to fix or junk the old one while I continue to game. If its a junker I junk it. If I fix it I keep one and recover my expense on the second by selling the other. Either way the whole is process is a much better value for my time and my money . And my gaming and life goes on relatively uninterrupted, but for a minor hiccup overall.
I'll leave this here, as a toast to future for all of us, whatever that future may hold-
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8TROBbOmbc8
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Posted - 2015.09.14 23:48:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Murder Medic wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Meee One wrote:Rattati finds Dust community input important,Rouge doesn't. This is utter bull. Rouge is running an entire game studio, and so, no, he isn't on the forums directly himself, but he's the guy who put Rattati in charge of DUST, and is behind what Rattati is doing 110%. So was it Rouge or Hilmar that pulled the majority of staff and funds off of DUST? As far as I know, CCP has like an executive board of directors that make decisions like that sort of thing. Seriously? I thought they just had the single CEO. An executive board sounds far from ideal.
Real common corporate structure, there's a Chief Exec and then a Board of Execs. Its a much better setup than a SoleProprietorship-type of deal once a company grows past a certain point. Seriously, after a while theres no way one indiviual could even remotely be responsible about all aspects of a company. There's just too many moving parts.
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Posted - 2015.09.14 23:52:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:501st Headstrong wrote:Seriously how many people are going to ask the same darn question about the Dev post?
Rattati posted, then deleted his post. What did he say?
He said, " Nevermind."
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Posted - 2015.09.15 00:14:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:
3. Eve Online funded Dust.
Again a falsehood spread by Eve players who don't seem to understand the basic premise that once you relinquish your money to a vendor, you lose all say in how that money spent by said vendor. CCP funded Dust and did so via venture capitalists as someone earlier linked.
LOL, ouch. HTFU, EVElings!! XD
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Posted - 2015.09.15 09:01:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Kevall Longstride wrote:
3. Eve Online funded Dust.
Again a falsehood spread by Eve players who don't seem to understand the basic premise that once you relinquish your money to a vendor, you lose all say in how that money spent by said vendor. CCP funded Dust and did so via venture capitalists as someone earlier linked.
LOL, ouch. HTFU, EVElings!! XD EVE players with superior attitudes are always spouting **** like that. They also make threads in Test Server Feedback claiming they are entitled to round-the-clock access to the Test server and that setting it to Dev-only for any reason is unacceptable. I LOVE watching CCP Falcon **** on those guys. Some people need to get it through their heads that $15 a month buys you access to Tranquility and THAT'S IT.
I'm no corporate apologist but that bit, based on some of the nasty comments in these forums and in-game from capsuleers, had me laugh. Tbh I don't agree with the logic but can only imagine some of the megalomanicism that goes on. I do also try to remember not everyone EVEside is like that (my local on DUSTs release had a ton of capsuleers trying to help NewEden noobs like me) and DUSTside some of us are probably just as bad if not worse at times. Myself included.
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