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Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2015.09.12 17:00:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:While skipping over the "port naow" posts looking for something worth reading in GD, it occurred to me that the lowest moment in Dust's history -- the infamous Rouge Wedding -- was in fact nothing short of a port announcement!
More content.
Sexier graphics.
Better framework.
Fewer middlemen.
Presumably less lag.
Larger potential playerbase.
Etc ...
... and we freakin' crucified the dude.
If Rouge waltzed in today and announced the very same thing he announced in 2014, we'd hail him as hero and savior.
Amiright?
No, the reason we "freakin' crucified the dude" was because he announced that they were basically ditching not only our community but all of our progress in Dust and moving to PC.
None of the Round Tables where they confirmed that our progress would be kept and that this was actually aimed at the current playerbase were streamed on Twitch.
Therefore the only thing seen by all of us watching the stream and not in attendance in Iceland was that we were all being ditched in exchange for the PC crowd while the Twitch chat was spammed with "PC MASTER RACE" and how all of us who currently play the game never deserved it in the first place.
THAT is why we all got pissed.
Personally, I went down to my PS3, logged into Dust, and ranted with my Corp members for almost 10 minutes straight before I finally calmed down enough to come back upstairs and watch more of the stream.
I still firmly believe that the acceptable platform migration is to PS4 because this game already has an honestly fanatically dedicated community on PSN and many of those people don't own a gaming PC or even a PC of sufficient strength to play this game were it to be mirgrated, thereby necessitating that they either spend at least $600-$800 (Don't even come at me with that $400 gaming PC bullshit, because we all know it's just that) to acquire a PC just to play this game, or else they're just out of luck.
Upgrading to the next console has been a reality of console gaming for years, and you'd have a damn hard time finding anyone who currently still owns a PS3 who would be mad about the game moving up to PS4 for the sake of improvement and more content. That's what console games do, and have done since consoles were first made.
I think CCP's original concept of creating a New Eden themed game for console gamers to bring a brand new group of gamers into the New Eden world was an excellent idea, and I don't think they should ditch that just because it's easier. Since when does CCP not do things the hard way just to show that they can? Seems to have worked pretty well for EVE Online so far.
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Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2015.09.12 17:08:00 -
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Starlight Burner wrote:No, that is not what was announced.
What was announced was DUST514 was being moved to PC. At that current time, the DUST player base was probably 65/35 Console to PC players. Yes, we told CCP from the beginning that DUST514 is not a console game, they should go ahead and move it to PC back in Beta. They refused to or already had too much time invested and marched on. Which therefore established the console player majority player base.
CCP turned their back on the core playerbase that suffered through 3 years of torment. Doing so, resulted in lighting a flame feel of betrayal.
If CCP had announced Legion to be coming to PC and PS4, there wouldn't be any rioting or flames; however, CCP didn't and I agree with the hatred movement from the players against CCP, at that time.
There's no such thing as "not being a console game". The whole reason they made Dust 514 in the first place was to give console gamers an experience that the current console developers hadn't given them before.
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Posted - 2015.09.12 23:43:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014. Rouge hate was misdirected, but I would say CCP Shanghai hate was justified.
Quite.
Also, it ever occur to any of you people posting with superior attitudes about PCs that you're a major reason why many of the current community wouldn't follow the game to PC?
The honest fact is that your attitude is so repugnant that many people play console games to avoid it.
A gaming PC costs more than a console, and PC games usually involve the use of 3rd party software like VoIP that some people don't want to deal with. Let's also keep in mind that some people have families and a console is more accessible to both the parent and the kids.
These people are NOT inferior.
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Posted - 2015.09.13 02:01:00 -
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Murder Medic wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:
These people are NOT inferior.
No, but their platform of choice is. Let's face it. Most people who don't have a gaming PC is not because they don't want the awesome graphics, endless stream of mods, and buttery smooth performance. They don't want to / can't shell out the cash to get and maintain one. Which is fine. But the simple fact is that PC will probably always be superior to consoles to anyone but casuals.
Superior in what way?
Hardware performance is about the only way it really is.
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Posted - 2015.09.13 16:49:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:Respectfully Mr Bait,
When someone talks TO you it is, by definition, direct.
Of course there are people doing things with DUST that we never hear of or from. Hilmar comes to mind.
But these mystery people do not talk to us and any opinion we form of them is founded upon what we know.
So it is surprising to hear from multiple CPM2s about how great and contributory CCP Rouge has been.
And, again, I will gladly suspend and reform my negative opinions if and when someone with DIRECT knowledge and insight lists some of those contributions.
How is my position unreasonable in this matter?
I wouldn't say it's unreasonable, but it's pretty clear that right now Rattati is the only one that can handle this place right now.
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Posted - 2015.09.14 12:02:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:howard sanchez wrote:I don't want to hear about a port at fan fest or eve Vegas. I want to hear it from Ratatti or, even Rouge!, as soon as they decide the plan to port is firm and feasible. The one thing that I can be fairly certain of after my conversations with Rouge and Rattati is that when CCP are ready to tell you something it'll be here on these forums and not wait for a public event again. CCP made that mistake once before.
That's great to hear, Kevall.
I just hope we haven't risen to a bitterness level by that point that even CCP Rattati is afraid to come here.
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Posted - 2015.09.14 13:58:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Meee One wrote:Rattati finds Dust community input important,Rouge doesn't. This is utter bull. Rouge is running an entire game studio, and so, no, he isn't on the forums directly himself, but he's the guy who put Rattati in charge of DUST, and is behind what Rattati is doing 110%.
Unfortunately as the frontman he innevitably ends up taking the flak for pretty much everything wrong with the game whether directly responsible or not.
Kinda like Hopper said in A Bug's Life: "First rule of leadership: everything is your fault."
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Posted - 2015.09.14 17:03:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:While skipping over the "port naow" posts looking for something worth reading in GD, it occurred to me that the lowest moment in Dust's history -- the infamous Rouge Wedding -- was in fact nothing short of a port announcement!
More content.
Sexier graphics.
Better framework.
Fewer middlemen.
Presumably less lag.
Larger potential playerbase.
Etc ...
... and we freakin' crucified the dude.
If Rouge waltzed in today and announced the very same thing he announced in 2014, we'd hail him as hero and savior.
Amiright? No, the reason we "freakin' crucified the dude" was because he announced that they were basically ditching not only our community but all of our progress in Dust and moving to PC. None of the Round Tables where they confirmed that our progress would be kept and that this was actually aimed at the current playerbase were streamed on Twitch. Therefore the only thing seen by all of us watching the stream and not in attendance in Iceland was that we were all being ditched in exchange for the PC crowd while the Twitch chat was spammed with "PC MASTER RACE" and how all of us who currently play the game never deserved it in the first place. THAT is why we all got pissed. That sums up why people were pissed. The reason the hate was directed at Rouge was simply because he was the one who made the announcement, so he was the person who took the heat. But people in the know, know that Rouge was ordered to save the announcement for FanFest and to not tell us (prepare us) ahead of time. He was also told that the round table would be streamed, which it wasn't. Those in the know blamed CCP's Marketing department for what has got to be the biggest marketing screw-up since the New Taste of Coke! Rouge's hands were tied. He was setup to fail, and those idiots would not listen to him when he told them it was a bad idea.
Personally, I'm pretty sure when they finally announce a port it'll come out that pushing PC was Himar's idea, same as how aggressively they pushed Incarna at his behest.
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Posted - 2015.09.14 17:36:00 -
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Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Personally, I'm pretty sure when they finally announce a port it'll come out that pushing PC was Himar's idea, same as how aggressively they pushed Incarna at his behest. u wot? An interview with CCP Rouge...CCP Rouge wrote:GÇ£New Eden deserves a shooter on PCGÇ¥. CCP Rouge wrote:GÇ£Yes, of course PC is a target because thatGÇÖs our primary platform for Eve Online,GÇ¥ Not saying PS4 isn't a target now, but that PC was Rouge's vision for this game... which is wise. Shame a port will never come to pass.
Keep in mind that none of the EVE Dev team expressed public opposition to Incarna.
Rouge doesn't write company policy or call the shots on platforms. Pretty sure if he did, even if he liked the idea of a PC port, it would have been announced far better than it was.
It's not like I'd hate the guy for supporting such a migration. After all right now CCP basically has it's name on a balky lobby-shooter that most people have never heard of and many think is trash, rather than a successful F2P title like they obviously hoped for.
All I'm saying is that that decision would mean throwing out one of the core focuses of this game as stated in 2009: to bring console gamers into New Eden in a more accessible format.
I think that was an admirable goal, and I think it - and we - are worth the effort to make that happen the way both we and CCP wanted.
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Posted - 2015.09.14 23:37:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Murder Medic wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Meee One wrote:Rattati finds Dust community input important,Rouge doesn't. This is utter bull. Rouge is running an entire game studio, and so, no, he isn't on the forums directly himself, but he's the guy who put Rattati in charge of DUST, and is behind what Rattati is doing 110%. So was it Rouge or Hilmar that pulled the majority of staff and funds off of DUST? As far as I know, CCP has like an executive board of directors that make decisions like that sort of thing.
Seriously? I thought they just had the single CEO.
An executive board sounds far from ideal.
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Posted - 2015.09.15 00:48:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:Kevall Longstride wrote:
3. Eve Online funded Dust.
Again a falsehood spread by Eve players who don't seem to understand the basic premise that once you relinquish your money to a vendor, you lose all say in how that money spent by said vendor. CCP funded Dust and did so via venture capitalists as someone earlier linked.
LOL, ouch. HTFU, EVElings!! XD
EVE players with superior attitudes are always spouting **** like that.
They also make threads in Test Server Feedback claiming they are entitled to round-the-clock access to the Test server and that setting it to Dev-only for any reason is unacceptable.
I LOVE watching CCP Falcon **** on those guys.
Some people need to get it through their heads that $15 a month buys you access to Tranquility and THAT'S IT.
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Posted - 2015.09.15 01:12:00 -
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Murder Medic wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:
Video game players with superior attitudes are always spouting **** like that.
Fix'd
True.
Just as someone who's played EVE for over 7 years it seems like some of the "EVE Vets" get worse than other games.
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Posted - 2015.09.15 01:43:00 -
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Finn Colman wrote:Something I don't get is why people assert that it can only be ported to one system. There are a few multiplayer PC games that have made a coexisting port to PS4, not just with the two player-bases separated, but with PC players and PS4 players playing alongside one another. I've had plenty of fun with these games and never once felt I was at a significant disadvantage to PC players (despite "PC master race" arguments).
I will reiterate my opinion of the platform for which Legion is released. I would be fine if they put in on PC first, and later ported to PS4.
Cross-play in shooters doesn't work well. Trust me.
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Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2015.09.15 14:23:00 -
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Sequal's Back wrote:Ccp could do like DCUO : a pc server, and a PS3/PS4 server. Yes, PS4 players have an advantage, but that's a marketing move to push players to go on the next gen !
You can't do that because the game is based in New Eden. The whole point is for all players in New Eden games to share the same world.
Imagine you were trying to take a planet, but your Corporation is on PS4 and you can't touch that planet because everyone who owns it is on PC. Not fun.
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Posted - 2015.09.15 14:32:00 -
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Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:You can't do that because the game is based in New Eden. The whole point is for all players in New Eden games to share the same world.
Imagine you were trying to take a planet, but your Corporation is on PS4 and you can't touch that planet because everyone who owns it is on PC. Not fun. Hate to break this to you, Mobius, but Eve: Valkyrie is standalone from Eve Online. It shares the same universe, but doesn't interact with New Eden directly. GUNJACK is the same. CCP has accepted the idea of games set in New Eden, but not "touching" one another.
I'm well aware of that. However, neither of those games were built with the intention of linking to EVE Online. They were built from the ground up as standalones.
That's not the case with Dust 514. It was meant from the start to link with EVE and have all players sharing the same world the same way EVE does.
Keep in mind that EVR and Gunjack weren't even games initially. EVR was a tech demo made by a small group in their spare time that they decided to take further based on a LOT of tester feeback and all the public events they took it to, and Gunjack was inspired by that project. Especially consider that Gunjack is a mobile game.
If Dust 514 had no link to EVE, or was made by another company, would most of us even still be playing it? Part of why I never really had hope for Project Legion was because they said at the initial announcement that EVE: Legion would launch with NO EVE LINK WHATSOEVER, and that in fact Dust 514 would retain the link to EVE even though it would no longer receive client updates. They didn't even give any estimates on when EVE: Legion would actually be integrated into EVE.
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Posted - 2015.09.15 16:58:00 -
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Stefan Stahl wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:If Dust 514 had no link to EVE, or was made by another company, would most of us even still be playing it? To be quite honest - in three years of playing Dust I never interacted with a capsuleer - I only know what an Eve orbital strike looks like from the Fanfest 2013 presentation and the following trailer. So if you ask me, I don't need Eve. To be quite honest I'm not sure the tie with Tranquility has done Dust any good so far. Mind you, the connection to tranquility *could* make Dust a spectacular game. That is undisputed. But as for the past, present or mid term future there's nothing TQ does for Dust. The Eve franchise is a nice marketing pull, but considering that this game hasn't had any marketing in quite a while I'm not even sure the Eve universe is helping the game a lot. I'd really like to know how many of our newberries are actually aware of the tie in with Eve online. Eve is a nieche game. Dust is even more of a nieche game. I'm not sure the link between them is very important to Dust.
If nothing else, all of us connecting to the same server is essential for the international focus of Dust 514. Once you get into separate servers you split people up who might otherwise interact and make cool stories happen while playing.
Any other company would have made separate regional servers and instanced everything, and that would take away from the feeling of all of us being in one big world.
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Posted - 2015.09.16 16:43:00 -
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Aiwha Bait wrote:howard sanchez wrote:Respectfully Mr Bait,
When someone talks TO you it is, by definition, direct.
Of course there are people doing things with DUST that we never hear of or from. Hilmar comes to mind.
But these mystery people do not talk to us and any opinion we form of them is founded upon what we know.
So it is surprising to hear from multiple CPM2s about how great and contributory CCP Rouge has been.
And, again, I will gladly suspend and reform my negative opinions if and when someone with DIRECT knowledge and insight lists some of those contributions.
How is my position unreasonable in this matter? Sorry for being two or three days late. Got lost in my notifications. I never said your position was unreasonable. I actually agree with you on some points. What you want is a very reasonable request. (This is the part where I say your post is unreasonable) I think you're being unreasonable when you say that these "mystery people", I assume the actual programmers, don't talk to us. Why should they? Is it their job to do that? No. Their job is to program, make art, music, etc. It is the job of CCP Frame, as Community Manager (I think he is), and CCP Rattati, as executive producer?, to talk to us about the state of the game. The " mystery people" do their talking in the Monday meetings when they report to Rattati and Rouge. It would be nice if we got a monthly update, or biweekly update, about some of the things discussed in the Monday meetings.
I concur with the updated suggestion. Obviously the development team at large can't all be on the forums all the time or you end up with Planetside 2.
Getting a small peak into weekly progress on the game would help eliminate the appearance of stagnation, however.
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