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Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 15	Posted - 2015.09.12 16:47:00 - [1] - Quote Every day, I skip over a half dozen "port naow" threads while looking for something worth reading in GD. It occurred to me last night that the lowest moment in Dust's history ... the infamous Rouge Wedding ... was in fact a port announcement! More content. Better graphics. Better framework. Fewer middlemen. Presumably less lag. Larger potential playerbase. ... and we freakin' crucified the dude. All on account of bad timing. If Rouge waltzed in and announced and demonstrated today the very same thing he announced in 2014, we'd hail him as hero and savior. Amiright?
VAHZZ RabbitSwarm 8	Posted - 2015.09.12 16:49:00 - [2] - Quote "I fear all you have done is awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." - The Butts
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 32	Posted - 2015.09.12 16:50:00 - [3] - Quote Won't believe in a port until I see it. I am on a strict do not trust, verify basis with CCP. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization 1	Posted - 2015.09.12 16:54:00 - [4] - Quote But the majority of the playerbase does not want to play on PC. Now, if he announces DUST or Legion for PS4, it'll be all aboard the hype train. BPO Trade Stall
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution 6	Posted - 2015.09.12 17:00:00 - [5] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: While skipping over the "port naow" posts looking for something worth reading in GD, it occurred to me that the lowest moment in Dust's history -- the infamous Rouge Wedding -- was in fact nothing short of a port announcement! More content. Sexier graphics. Better framework. Fewer middlemen. Presumably less lag. Larger potential playerbase. Etc ... ... and we freakin' crucified the dude. If Rouge waltzed in today and announced the very same thing he announced in 2014, we'd hail him as hero and savior. Amiright? No, the reason we "freakin' crucified the dude" was because he announced that they were basically ditching not only our community but all of our progress in Dust and moving to PC. None of the Round Tables where they confirmed that our progress would be kept and that this was actually aimed at the current playerbase were streamed on Twitch. Therefore the only thing seen by all of us watching the stream and not in attendance in Iceland was that we were all being ditched in exchange for the PC crowd while the Twitch chat was spammed with "PC MASTER RACE" and how all of us who currently play the game never deserved it in the first place. THAT is why we all got pissed. Personally, I went down to my PS3, logged into Dust, and ranted with my Corp members for almost 10 minutes straight before I finally calmed down enough to come back upstairs and watch more of the stream. I still firmly believe that the acceptable platform migration is to PS4 because this game already has an honestly fanatically dedicated community on PSN and many of those people don't own a gaming PC or even a PC of sufficient strength to play this game were it to be mirgrated, thereby necessitating that they either spend at least $600-$800 (Don't even come at me with that $400 gaming PC bullshit, because we all know it's just that) to acquire a PC just to play this game, or else they're just out of luck. Upgrading to the next console has been a reality of console gaming for years, and you'd have a damn hard time finding anyone who currently still owns a PS3 who would be mad about the game moving up to PS4 for the sake of improvement and more content. That's what console games do, and have done since consoles were first made. I think CCP's original concept of creating a New Eden themed game for console gamers to bring a brand new group of gamers into the New Eden world was an excellent idea, and I don't think they should ditch that just because it's easier. Since when does CCP not do things the hard way just to show that they can? Seems to have worked pretty well for EVE Online so far. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Starlight Burner Black Screen Adaptation. 499	Posted - 2015.09.12 17:03:00 - [6] - Quote No, that is not what was announced. What was announced was DUST514 was being moved to PC. At that current time, the DUST player base was probably 65/35 Console to PC players. Yes, we told CCP from the beginning that DUST514 is not a console game, they should go ahead and move it to PC back in Beta. They refused to or already had too much time invested and marched on. Which therefore established the console player majority player base. CCP turned their back on the core playerbase that suffered through 3 years of torment. Doing so, resulted in lighting a flame feel of betrayal. If CCP had announced Legion to be coming to PC and PS4, there wouldn't be any rioting or flames; however, CCP didn't and I agree with the hatred movement from the players against CCP, at that time. CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution 6	Posted - 2015.09.12 17:08:00 - [7] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: No, that is not what was announced. What was announced was DUST514 was being moved to PC. At that current time, the DUST player base was probably 65/35 Console to PC players. Yes, we told CCP from the beginning that DUST514 is not a console game, they should go ahead and move it to PC back in Beta. They refused to or already had too much time invested and marched on. Which therefore established the console player majority player base. CCP turned their back on the core playerbase that suffered through 3 years of torment. Doing so, resulted in lighting a flame feel of betrayal. If CCP had announced Legion to be coming to PC and PS4, there wouldn't be any rioting or flames; however, CCP didn't and I agree with the hatred movement from the players against CCP, at that time. There's no such thing as "not being a console game". The whole reason they made Dust 514 in the first place was to give console gamers an experience that the current console developers hadn't given them before. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 15	Posted - 2015.09.12 17:10:00 - [8] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: THAT is why we all got pissed. I was right there with you. I felt betrayed and was furious about it. But I wonder now, would our collective response have been different if Legion had not been announced at FF2014 and was instead announced today? With all the "port naow, port anywhere" demands, I can't help but wonder.
Starlight Burner Black Screen Adaptation. 499	Posted - 2015.09.12 17:13:00 - [9] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: There's no such thing as "not being a console game". The whole reason they made Dust 514 in the first place was to give console gamers an experience that the current console developers hadn't given them before. Disagree. There are some games that are not designed or destined to be on a console. I strongly believe, DUST514, at it's current release time, was not destined to be a console game. Seeing the PS4 specs, the PS4 could do it; however, we run into the same problem, having to update the game to x console specifications every generation. Agree to disagree but I disagree with your statement. CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST
Jammeh McJam XxAMBUSH FTWxX 341	Posted - 2015.09.12 18:22:00 - [10] - Quote Be careful bro, these types of threads attract console peasants like flies... PC is the only place a game of this calibre deserves to be, not on the ps4 getting drooled on by filthy casuals Steam name - Jammeh McJam PC master race

Jammeh McJam XxAMBUSH FTWxX 341	Posted - 2015.09.12 18:24:00 - [11] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Starlight Burner wrote: No, that is not what was announced. What was announced was DUST514 was being moved to PC. At that current time, the DUST player base was probably 65/35 Console to PC players. Yes, we told CCP from the beginning that DUST514 is not a console game, they should go ahead and move it to PC back in Beta. They refused to or already had too much time invested and marched on. Which therefore established the console player majority player base. CCP turned their back on the core playerbase that suffered through 3 years of torment. Doing so, resulted in lighting a flame feel of betrayal. If CCP had announced Legion to be coming to PC and PS4, there wouldn't be any rioting or flames; however, CCP didn't and I agree with the hatred movement from the players against CCP, at that time. There's no such thing as "not being a console game". The whole reason they made Dust 514 in the first place was to give console gamers an experience that the current console developers hadn't given them before. And it failed, so time to bring it back home to the PC master race Steam name - Jammeh McJam PC master race
Void Echo Helix Evolution I.W.C 3	Posted - 2015.09.12 19:28:00 - [12] - Quote Jammeh McJam wrote: Be careful bro, these types of threads attract console peasants like flies... PC is the only place a game of this calibre deserves to be, not on the ps4 getting drooled on by filthy casuals Your kind are the reason nobody likes pc gamers. Closed Beta Vet. Founder of Helix Evolution I.W.C It's not a dick, don't take it so hard bruh- hate mail response
el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.09.12 19:44:00 - [13] - Quote Jammeh McJam wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Starlight Burner wrote: No, that is not what was announced. What was announced was DUST514 was being moved to PC. At that current time, the DUST player base was probably 65/35 Console to PC players. Yes, we told CCP from the beginning that DUST514 is not a console game, they should go ahead and move it to PC back in Beta. They refused to or already had too much time invested and marched on. Which therefore established the console player majority player base. CCP turned their back on the core playerbase that suffered through 3 years of torment. Doing so, resulted in lighting a flame feel of betrayal. If CCP had announced Legion to be coming to PC and PS4, there wouldn't be any rioting or flames; however, CCP didn't and I agree with the hatred movement from the players against CCP, at that time. There's no such thing as "not being a console game". The whole reason they made Dust 514 in the first place was to give console gamers an experience that the current console developers hadn't given them before. And it failed, so time to bring it back home to the PC master race The game failed the playerbase, not the other way around. Don't get it twisted. Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.12 19:47:00 - [14] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: While skipping over the "port naow" posts looking for something worth reading in GD, it occurred to me that the lowest moment in Dust's history -- the infamous Rouge Wedding -- was in fact nothing short of a port announcement! More content. Sexier graphics. Better framework. Fewer middlemen. Presumably less lag. Larger potential playerbase. Etc ... ... and we freakin' crucified the dude. If Rouge waltzed in today and announced the very same thing he announced in 2014, would we not hail him as hero and savior? Legion was more of a rebuild with some of the Dust stuff as a base. Some of us were pretty happy with the idea as long as it included full character and asset transfers. Too bad console kiddie tears washed away our future..... ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 183	Posted - 2015.09.12 20:02:00 - [15] - Quote Flint Beastgood III wrote: But the majority of the playerbase does not want to play on PC. Now, if he announces DUST or Legion for PS4, it'll be all aboard the hype train. Actually the player base here may not like a PC port, but it would be the best thing to ever happen to this game. A single platform limited release was great for a beta project, but its time to release it to the much more lucrative and diverse PC crowd. Eve was successful with that model and Dust could have been. Maybe it still could be, but the player base here will not be what carries it into the future. For one, a reset of assets and SP would be the minimum requirement to get new players into the game. The NPE right now would not make anyone spend money on this game, and the current player base is never going to make it any better.
DiGreatDestroyer Grupo de Asalto Chacal Rise Of Legion. 156	Posted - 2015.09.12 20:26:00 - [16] - Quote Im just going to leave this here... Directivo de Grupo de Asalto Chacal "SOMEONE GIVE THIS MAN A GD COOKIE"- Aeon Amadi
Darth-Carbonite GIO Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 2	Posted - 2015.09.12 21:37:00 - [17] - Quote Rouge does not deserve any of the blame he got after Fanfest 2014. I challenge you to a Gwent duel! YouTube
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1	Posted - 2015.09.12 21:41:00 - [18] - Quote Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014. Someone standing up for Rogue! Get him! Give me my Plasma Flamethrower or give me a cookie!
Jammeh McJam XxAMBUSH FTWxX 341	Posted - 2015.09.12 21:44:00 - [19] - Quote Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014. Agreed. All he did was announce a port to the superior platform, why would people cry so much about it? Steam name - Jammeh McJam PC master race
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1	Posted - 2015.09.12 21:52:00 - [20] - Quote Jammeh McJam wrote: Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014. Agreed. All he did was announce a port to the superior platform, why would people cry so much about it? I wasn't mad at first when I heard of legion being annouced. It the way he did it, as in during the Dust Keynote and that there would be no future updates for Dust. All the stuff they talked about was for Legion and not for Dust, which seemed like a different game entirely. The community felt backstabbed and betrayed. Sure he announced a port, but dude should of done it in a more gentle way than what can be described as a huge ass f*cking. Then after a year, nothing is announced or revealed or said about Legion. As for myself, I have no string opinions either way. Give me my Plasma Flamethrower or give me a cookie!

Aeon Amadi 12	Posted - 2015.09.12 21:57:00 - [21] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: While skipping over the "port naow" posts looking for something worth reading in GD, it occurred to me that the lowest moment in Dust's history -- the infamous Rouge Wedding -- was in fact nothing short of a port announcement! More content. Sexier graphics. Better framework. Fewer middlemen. Presumably less lag. Larger potential playerbase. Etc ... ... and we freakin' crucified the dude. If Rouge waltzed in today and announced the very same thing he announced in 2014, we'd hail him as hero and savior. Amiright? No, the reason we "freakin' crucified the dude" was because he announced that they were basically ditching not only our community but all of our progress in Dust and moving to PC. None of the Round Tables where they confirmed that our progress would be kept and that this was actually aimed at the current playerbase were streamed on Twitch. Therefore the only thing seen by all of us watching the stream and not in attendance in Iceland was that we were all being ditched in exchange for the PC crowd while the Twitch chat was spammed with "PC MASTER RACE" and how all of us who currently play the game never deserved it in the first place. THAT is why we all got pissed. CCP Rouge being the director of Eve TV and proprietor of the streaming service itself is clearly a justifiable reason why the man is at fault. /sarcasm You got pissed at the one guy who dared show his face despite the poor planning on behalf of people that are not him. The one guy who had the balls to actually go up at the beginning of the Eve Keynote to play damage control the next day. S'okay, though, because I did too later on. Got banned for it, even. The hatred toward CCP Rouge was ill-placed and knee-jerky. Players couldn't - and still can't, apparently - understand the orchestra that is behind the scenes and will fault developers they know and see for the actions of the ones they don't. Learn from that experience. Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.09.12 22:05:00 - [22] - Quote The lack of accurate recall in here is crazy. The FF2014 announcement was a riot because in the preceeding months DUST had been due multiple fixes for various game elements and mechanics that didn't happen. Instead it was months of total silence from the dev team, then, during what was supposed to be an expose of DUST's year(s) to come was an announcement that CCP had effectively quit doing anything support-wise for DUST so as to create a demo for Legion. And don't forget in those weeks prior there was the escalation of monetization elements (100% boosters, anyone?). THAT's the environment that announcement was made in. Would people react the same to the same announcement now? Who knows. Could CCPs dev group at the time handled the problems that existed then, as Rattati has since? Who knows. The latter question tho is the real kicker. At the end of the day it comes down to the old adage, "Where there's a will, there's a way." If CCP want to grow the relationship they've fostered with the console gaming community, then they will. If they want to diversify their clientele base by branching (farther?) into mobile, then they will. If they want to solely want to rely on the support of the "PCMasterRace" then they'll do that. IMHO, if they felt last of those was a worthwhile goal then they never would've grown into the console market in the first place. Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
Murder Medic Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 57	Posted - 2015.09.12 22:06:00 - [23] - Quote People weren't mad at the news of a port. They were mad at the news that pretty much all support for DUST would be dropped for the foreseeable future. Hence why the only new content since then has pretty much been skins and a couple sky boxes.
Vicious Minotaur 2	Posted - 2015.09.12 22:20:00 - [24] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: ... The hatred toward CCP Rouge was ill-placed and knee-jerky. Players couldn't - and still can't, apparently - understand the orchestra that is behind the scenes and will fault developers they know and see for the actions of the ones they don't. Learn from that experience. Just gunna say that it is hard to understand the so-called "orchestra" when the conductors leave their audience in the dark and the musicians don't play their instruments, even though the audience bought tickets to their concert. CCP coulda learned from that, but... well... it is kinda dim in here, and the crickets... Well, they are chirping. Personally, I'd like the orchestra to begin to warm up and tune their instruments, if not begin to play some Tchaikovsky. I am a minotaur. a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça+üa+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ë
el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.09.12 22:22:00 - [25] - Quote If Rouge ran point, half the reason he's there is so that he gets shot first. **** just comes with the job. Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.09.12 22:40:00 - [26] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: THAT is why we all got pissed. I was right there with you. I felt betrayed and was furious about it. But I wonder now, would our collective response have been different if Legion had not been announced at FF2014 and was instead announced today? With all the "port naow, port anywhere" demands, I can't help but wonder. Food for thought :-) I would probably still be pissed for exactly the same reasons as FanFest 2014's hatred. I have a 2 weeks old 1500 dollar PC. I'm not worried about myself, I'm worried about CCP ditching this fanatically dedicated fanbase which they should be glad they managed to sustain despite DUST's troubled history. AND THEN STEVE BUSCEMI SHOWS UP ON A FLYING PIG FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON
Aeon Amadi 12	Posted - 2015.09.12 22:42:00 - [27] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: ... The hatred toward CCP Rouge was ill-placed and knee-jerky. Players couldn't - and still can't, apparently - understand the orchestra that is behind the scenes and will fault developers they know and see for the actions of the ones they don't. Learn from that experience. Just gunna say that it is hard to understand the so-called "orchestra" when the conductors leave their audience in the dark and the musicians don't play their instruments, even though the audience bought tickets to their concert. CCP coulda learned from that, but... well... it is kinda dim in here, and the crickets... Well, they are chirping. Personally, I'd like the orchestra to begin to warm up and tune their instruments, if not begin to play some Tchaikovsky. And one wonders why Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
First Prophet Nos Nothi 4	Posted - 2015.09.12 22:43:00 - [28] - Quote Everyone go on twitter and tweet @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion it's not too late? People found this review helpful!
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.09.12 22:43:00 - [29] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: There's no such thing as "not being a console game". The whole reason they made Dust 514 in the first place was to give console gamers an experience that the current console developers hadn't given them before. Disagree. There are some games that are not designed or destined to be on a console. I strongly believe, DUST514, at it's current release time, was not destined to be a console game. Seeing the PS4 specs, the PS4 could do it; however, we run into the same problem, having to update the game to x console specifications every generation. Agree to disagree but I disagree with your statement. The problem we ran into with DUST is that CCP's vision could absolutely not be realized on the PS3. With the PS4 that isn't the case, their vision is within reach. Yeah we might not have the best graphics, but considering Planetside 2, I'm sure that the PS4 is capable of CCP's vision. AND THEN STEVE BUSCEMI SHOWS UP ON A FLYING PIG FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.09.12 22:45:00 - [30] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: ... The hatred toward CCP Rouge was ill-placed and knee-jerky. Players couldn't - and still can't, apparently - understand the orchestra that is behind the scenes and will fault developers they know and see for the actions of the ones they don't. Learn from that experience. Just gunna say that it is hard to understand the so-called "orchestra" when the conductors leave their audience in the dark and the musicians don't play their instruments, even though the audience bought tickets to their concert. CCP coulda learned from that, but... well... it is kinda dim in here, and the crickets... Well, they are chirping. Personally, I'd like the orchestra to begin to warm up and tune their instruments, if not begin to play some Tchaikovsky. And one wonders why Well, when they last played, they basically said they're going to take their instruments and play to a completely different crowd as well as take your money and leave. Soooo.... There are reasons. AND THEN STEVE BUSCEMI SHOWS UP ON A FLYING PIG FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON



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