So was it Rouge or Hilmar that pulled the majority of staff and funds off of DUST?

I sees blue tag on this here thread but no blue post?

Just so you know, Dust has been primarily funded by Eve Online.

I sees blue tag on this here thread but no blue post?

That is entirely irrelevant to the fact that DUST currently has next to no budget or staff

Links please.

Just so you know, Dust has been primarily funded by Eve Online.

Links please.

Just so you know, Dust has been primarily funded by Eve Online.

Most of the original money for Dust came from a venture capital firm that bought into convertible bonds from CCP to fund Dust. http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/09/ccp-dust-514-funding/

Those bonds were bought back around the same time that the Legion trademark was dropped. http://massivelyop.com/2015/05/18/ccp-games-buys-back-20m-in-bonds-drops-legion-trademark/

Many of us speculated at the time of the "profitable" statement that this was in reference to month to month, quarterly, or maybe something else. When looking at the information above it would seem a much better assumption to say profitable was actually in regards to paying back its original start up cost and operating at a positive after paying the skeleton crew even if that positive is only one dollar.

No, the reason we "freakin' crucified the dude" was because he announced that they were basically ditching not only our community but all of our progress in Dust and moving to PC.

None of the Round Tables where they confirmed that our progress would be kept and that this was actually aimed at the current playerbase were streamed on Twitch.

Therefore the only thing seen by all of us watching the stream and not in attendance in Iceland was that we were all being ditched in exchange for the PC crowd while the Twitch chat was spammed with "PC MASTER RACE" and how all of us who currently play the game never deserved it in the first place.

THAT is why we all got pissed.

That sums up why people were pissed.

The reason the hate was directed at Rouge was simply because he was the one who made the announcement, so he was the person who took the heat.

But people in the know, know that Rouge was ordered to save the announcement for FanFest and to not tell us (prepare us) ahead of time. He was also told that the round table would be streamed, which it wasn't.

Those in the know blamed CCP's Marketing department for what has got to be the biggest marketing screw-up since the New Taste of Coke! Rouge's hands were tied. He was setup to fail, and those idiots would not listen to him when he told them it was a bad idea.

Personally, I'm pretty sure when they finally announce a port it'll come out that pushing PC was Himar's idea, same as how aggressively they pushed Incarna at his behest.

GÇ£New Eden deserves a shooter on PCGÇ¥.

GÇ£Yes, of course PC is a target because thatGÇÖs our primary platform for Eve Online,GÇ¥

u wot?

An interview with CCP Rouge...




Not saying PS4 isn't a target now, but that PC was Rouge's vision for this game... which is wise. Shame a port will never come to pass.

OK.

Wall of text incoming. This will be my last post on this subject, if it is brought up again I'm going to bookmark my post and simply link to it in the future.

Some of this will be based on conversations I've had or have been told about that are now public domain. Some will based on my interpretation so you should take it at face value but also as someone that was actually there to witness events as they unfolded and weren't on the stream, my experience is going to different to those of you watching via the internet.

First of all two things to confess that I've spoken about before but worth repeating again in the context of this thread.

1. I had prior knowledge of Legion. I was one of a small number of players who'd been contacted and asked for opinion on the subject. I do know who the other players are but its up to them if they wish to confirm it. For the record, I was unsurprised at the switch to PC for Legion because it was clear even then that CCP's original vision for the game couldn't be realised on the PS3. (at the time the specs for the PS4 were unknown) but I said that announcing at Fanfest was a dumb idea. More on that later.

2. I'm responsible for the 'Rouge Wedding' tag. Over lunch just after the keynote I was on a table with Kane, Aeon, Charlie Iddon and a couple of others going through the explosion that at happened on twitter with the new hash-tag #dust514redwedding. I commented at the time that I thought that was rather unimaginative because as CCP Rouge is French and as it means Red it should be #RougeWedding...... all at the table started using it.

CCP Rouge has forgiven me but I doubt he'll forget.

First of all Legions announcement was, as has already been widely reported, first and foremost a marketing decision. The wisdom of that decision or rather the lack of it is no longer up for debate. It was hoped that an auditorium of predominately PC owning Eve players would give a rousing cheer live on stream as to the news of a format switch and in fairness, it succeeded in doing that.

Now as to the validity of allowing marketing people to make decisions that will effect community relations, my views are similar to Mr. Bill Hicks but he expresses them so much better than I could.

As has been reported in the past, the keynote was so short because CCP Rouge was under the impression that the round table Q&A session he was doing immediately after, where he could explain the reasoning for Legion and the move to PC, was also going to be live streamed. It was not. And to say that he was upset about that would be a monstrous understatement.

Another reason, if one were needed, that when decisions effecting community relations are made, the marketing people shouldn't be in the room.

There then followed a rather hectic day where Charlie Iddon and CCP Frame hit the forums to calm folks down if possible and myself, CCP Saberwing and CPM0 did similar work at the venue itself. At the insistence of CPM0, myself and the others there, Rouge basically kept crashing EVE.TV as much as he was able to get across the message that character transfer to Legion was a priority. He also went on stage again during Hilmar's keynote to repeat this.

The handling of the Legion announcement was a debacle and is described as such by CCP themselves. The lessons learnt from it have consequences even now. CCP policy is now not to promise anything till they are sure that it can be delivered. This was demonstrated clearly at Fanfest this year with the dropping of the usual 'CCP Presents' keynote on the Saturday for the UFC event with the Dev's.

For those unfamiliar with the 'CCP Presents' Keynote on the final day of Fanfest, it's where they share with the players a vision of what they want to do over the next year or two. Having been to the last four Fanfests in person and watched most the ones previous to that on YouTube and via the stream, I don't think it unkind to say that about 80% of what is shown at 'CCP Presents' never happens anyway. But they show the new Eve game trailer with its flashiness at the end of it and everyone leaves whooping.

But this year, even the new trailer was a very low key affair compared to previous ones. Part of CCP's new low key approach. But it was also something that they've delivered on for a change. The drifters are playing merry hell in Eve right now.

So anyway, Rouge became the public face of somebody else's cockup basically.

Since then CCP Rouge as undertaken a pretty substantial overhaul of the procedures and working practices of CCP Shanghai, where he is now Studio Director, responsible for the China Eve Server, Serenity as well as Gunjack, Dust 514 and like all game studios any other projects that they might be working on. But the day to to day running of Dust is what CCP Rattati does as senior producer. If there is one decision that I think the community will agree was a smart move by Rouge, it was the one that put Rattati in charge of the game.

Now there is more that I could say but obviously I'm bound by NDA. But all that I've said in this post is already out there. It also goes a little way to explaining CCP reluctance to share stuff till they're ready and know it'll happen. CPM 2 like CPM's 0 & 1 before them will continue to prod and poke them to be a little more open when possible. But ultimately that is CCP's decsion when that happens.

So we finally have an answer, ccp is singing a death sentence on their relations with console players.... good to know

I absolutely hate that Playstation is the only gaming system that doesn't have a game like halo... why the hell can't we have our own space/sifi/future/non earth game... why

So we finally have an answer, ccp is singing a death sentence on their relations with console players.... good to know... after all this I doubt anyone would ever get valkyrie, you can say goodbye to console platforms forever now ccp.

I absolutely hate that Playstation is the only gaming system that doesn't have a game like halo... why the hell can't we have our own space/sifi/future/non earth game... why

Read the article. He leaves some wiggle room to assume they might develop a PS4 port too. PC gaming is CCP's home field though. If they had to do it all over I'm sure they would have started on the PC then ported to a console like the PS4.

With their reputation on the console, a port or overhaul to pc only, effectively abandoning console players, would pretty much be saying goodbye to consoles forever.

Microsoft wants full control and access to eve online, which is why ccp said no to them.

Sony regrets signing a contract with ccp because it failed to make a profit, not to mention all the bugs and dead ends ccp put Sony through with every update over the years so if they would Sony would say no to porting anything from pc made by ccp, they might say yes to port from ps3 but that's still a long jump. Not to mention the horrible player to ccp relation that has gone on since closed beta.

See what I mean? By going 100% pc, they are effectively saying goodbye to consoles forever.

Why does this have a blue tag, yet no Dev Post?

Not at all...

By going PC and PS4 they wouldn't be going "100% PC". If they went "100% PC" they wouldn't have to care about consoles anymore And Sony doesn't have a stake in Dust's profitability. They get a percentage of each PSN transaction whether Dust is making CCP money or not so "Sony regrets" is a bunch of bull.

Anyway, interpret what you want. This game isn't getting ported to either platform. See: complete silence on CCP's part.

He posted, then had the post, and the quote with the post, deleted.

He posted, then had the post, and the quote with the post, deleted.

Ahahahahahahah LOLOL

If they were to go pc/ps4 that would be a miracle. Actually Sony does regret it, you can look it up all over the net, there was months of fuss over whether or not Sony themselves would pull the plug on dust or not long before the Rouge wedding because dust wasn't profitable.

u wot?

An interview with CCP Rouge...




Not saying PS4 isn't a target now, but that PC was Rouge's vision for this game... which is wise. Shame a port will never come to pass.

If it is "all over the net" then how about a link?

And CCP went with PC/PS4 for Eve: Valkyrie. Doesn't seem like a sign of regret on Sony's part.

If they were to go pc/ps4 that would be a miracle. Actually Sony does regret it, you can look it up all over the net, there was months of fuss over whether or not Sony themselves would pull the plug on dust or not long before the Rouge wedding because dust wasn't profitable.