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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.09.12 22:49:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014. Rouge hate was misdirected, but I would say CCP Shanghai hate was justified.
AND THEN STEVE BUSCEMI SHOWS UP ON A FLYING PIG FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
18
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Posted - 2015.09.12 22:51:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:The lack of accurate recall in here is crazy. The FF2014 announcement was a riot because in the preceeding months DUST had been due multiple fixes for various game elements and mechanics that didn't happen. Instead it was months of total silence from the dev team, then, during what was supposed to be an expose of DUST's year(s) to come was an announcement that CCP had effectively quit doing anything support-wise for DUST so as to create a demo for Legion. And don't forget in those weeks prior there was the escalation of monetization elements (100% boosters, anyone?). THAT's the environment that announcement was made in. Would people react the same to the same announcement now? Who knows. Could CCPs dev group at the time handled the problems that existed then, as Rattati has since? Who knows.
The latter question tho is the real kicker. At the end of the day it comes down to the old adage, "Where there's a will, there's a way." If CCP want to grow the relationship they've fostered with the console gaming community, then they will. If they want to diversify their clientele base by branching (farther?) into mobile, then they will. If they want to solely want to rely on the support of the "PCMasterRace" then they'll do that. IMHO, if they felt last of those was a worthwhile goal then they never would've grown into the console market in the first place. This guy speaks trufacts.
AND THEN STEVE BUSCEMI SHOWS UP ON A FLYING PIG FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.09.12 23:01:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Vicious Minotaur wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:... The hatred toward CCP Rouge was ill-placed and knee-jerky. Players couldn't - and still can't, apparently - understand the orchestra that is behind the scenes and will fault developers they know and see for the actions of the ones they don't.
Learn from that experience. Just gunna say that it is hard to understand the so-called "orchestra" when the conductors leave their audience in the dark and the musicians don't play their instruments, even though the audience bought tickets to their concert. CCP coulda learned from that, but... well... it is kinda dim in here, and the crickets... Well, they are chirping. Personally, I'd like the orchestra to begin to warm up and tune their instruments, if not begin to play some Tchaikovsky. And one wonders why Well, when they last played, they basically said they're going to take their instruments and play to a completely different crowd as well as take your money and leave. Soooo.... There are reasons.
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
12
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Posted - 2015.09.12 23:35:00 -
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Like me, Context is king.
At the time it was announced, there was the understanding that PS3 was the focus, without a doubt, no if ands or buts. Not only was that NOT the case, but it hadn't been the case for quite some time up until FF14.
Then, came the announcement itself. There wasn't one. Suddenly, instead of having all these small events about Dust, which is what we saw on the itinerary, we were getting a bunch of info about Legion, without having any idea what it really was, or what was happening with Dust.
AND ITS NOT EVEN GREENLIT!!
So not only was the "Dust" talks not Dust-centric, but all that was said was that MAYBE they were porting. The natural conclusion, given the dearth of actual communication, was that Dust was dead.
If they had handled it differently, it wouldn't have been such a big deal. If instead of telling us they were focused on the PS3, maybe indicating early on they were considering a port, and how a transition might work, or how Dust would fit into the overall discussion.
Looking at it in present context, what is wanted is some confirmation on the future of a Dust port, which was never what Legion was in the first place. It was, and still is as far as we know, merely a prototype that had no concrete backing.
Let's not forget what FF14 was. It wasn't the announcment of a port (it would have been greenlit had it truly been). It was the announcement of moving on from Dust with no clear direction. If anything, what people are clamoring for is for that clarity.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
6
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Posted - 2015.09.12 23:43:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014. Rouge hate was misdirected, but I would say CCP Shanghai hate was justified. Quite.
Also, it ever occur to any of you people posting with superior attitudes about PCs that you're a major reason why many of the current community wouldn't follow the game to PC?
The honest fact is that your attitude is so repugnant that many people play console games to avoid it.
A gaming PC costs more than a console, and PC games usually involve the use of 3rd party software like VoIP that some people don't want to deal with. Let's also keep in mind that some people have families and a console is more accessible to both the parent and the kids.
These people are NOT inferior.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 00:10:00 -
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Legion, port, what ever... It's not going to happen, let the thought die.
The C.E.O. of G.L.O.R.Y,
(~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.09.13 01:36:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014. Rouge hate was misdirected, but I would say CCP Shanghai hate was justified. Quite. Also, it ever occur to any of you people posting with superior attitudes about PCs that you're a major reason why many of the current community wouldn't follow the game to PC? The honest fact is that your attitude is so repugnant that many people play console games to avoid it. A gaming PC costs more than a console, and PC games usually involve the use of 3rd party software like VoIP that some people don't want to deal with. Let's also keep in mind that some people have families and a console is more accessible to both the parent and the kids. These people are NOT inferior.
In their defense, the 3rd party VOIPs would probably be a lot more reliable.
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.13 01:59:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote: These people are NOT inferior.
No, but their platform of choice is.
Let's face it. Most people who don't have a gaming PC is not because they don't want the awesome graphics, endless stream of mods, and buttery smooth performance.
They don't want to / can't shell out the cash to get and maintain one. Which is fine. But the simple fact is that PC will probably always be superior to consoles to anyone but casuals. |
Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.09.13 02:01:00 -
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Murder Medic wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote: These people are NOT inferior.
No, but their platform of choice is. Let's face it. Most people who don't have a gaming PC is not because they don't want the awesome graphics, endless stream of mods, and buttery smooth performance. They don't want to / can't shell out the cash to get and maintain one. Which is fine. But the simple fact is that PC will probably always be superior to consoles to anyone but casuals. Superior in what way?
Hardware performance is about the only way it really is.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.13 02:05:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014. Rouge hate was misdirected, but I would say CCP Shanghai hate was justified. Quite. Also, it ever occur to any of you people posting with superior attitudes about PCs that you're a major reason why many of the current community wouldn't follow the game to PC? The honest fact is that your attitude is so repugnant that many people play console games to avoid it. A gaming PC costs more than a console, and PC games usually involve the use of 3rd party software like VoIP that some people don't want to deal with. Let's also keep in mind that some people have families and a console is more accessible to both the parent and the kids. These people are NOT inferior. In their defense, the 3rd party VOIPs would probably be a lot more reliable.
Until they aren't for whatever reason and then we're ******.
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.13 02:20:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Murder Medic wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote: These people are NOT inferior.
No, but their platform of choice is. Let's face it. Most people who don't have a gaming PC is not because they don't want the awesome graphics, endless stream of mods, and buttery smooth performance. They don't want to / can't shell out the cash to get and maintain one. Which is fine. But the simple fact is that PC will probably always be superior to consoles to anyone but casuals. Superior in what way? Hardware performance is about the only way it really is. FPS is better, overall graphics are better, longevity is better (mods), overall size of the games tends to be better, and also many console games come out on PC as well but have the above mentioned benefits over their console counterparts.
I have my consoles too and play them sometimes but my PC is just leaps and bounds ahead of my PS4 and other systems. (it also cost me waaay more, so that's the primary downside to me) |
el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.13 02:31:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:The lack of accurate recall in here is crazy. The FF2014 announcement was a riot because in the preceeding months DUST had been due multiple fixes for various game elements and mechanics that didn't happen. Instead it was months of total silence from the dev team, then, during what was supposed to be an expose of DUST's year(s) to come was an announcement that CCP had effectively quit doing anything support-wise for DUST so as to create a demo for Legion. And don't forget in those weeks prior there was the escalation of monetization elements (100% boosters, anyone?). THAT's the environment that announcement was made in. Would people react the same to the same announcement now? Who knows. Could CCPs dev group at the time handled the problems that existed then, as Rattati has since? Who knows.
The latter question tho is the real kicker. At the end of the day it comes down to the old adage, "Where there's a will, there's a way." If CCP want to grow the relationship they've fostered with the console gaming community, then they will. If they want to diversify their clientele base by branching (farther?) into mobile, then they will. If they want to solely want to rely on the support of the "PCMasterRace" then they'll do that. IMHO, if they felt last of those was a worthwhile goal then they never would've grown into the console market in the first place. This guy speaks trufacts.
Careful with this, this town'll run you out on a rail for associating with the likes of me.
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
15
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Posted - 2015.09.13 02:32:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote: Careful with this, this town'll run you out on a rail for associating with the likes of me.
You actually seem rather reasonable when you aren't talking about Scouts, Logis or EWAR. |
DiablosMajora
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Posted - 2015.09.13 03:19:00 -
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Here's hoping to some material news during the next Fanfest ;-;
Prepare your angus
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First Prophet
Nos Nothi
4
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Posted - 2015.09.13 05:53:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:Everyone go on twitter and tweet @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion
it's not too late?
People found this review helpful!
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howard sanchez
Vader's-Fist The Empire of New Eden
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Posted - 2015.09.13 06:22:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014. I am really surprised to read that, Darth
Not any? He doesn't deserve any?
Why not? And that right there is the reason he and ccp in general DO deserve the vitriol and resentment that persists to this day. What?
Because to this day and beyond ccp and Rouge first & foremost have failed to account for that debacle of misinformation and **** poor customer relations that was FF14.
Have they apologized? No - because they don't think they need to
Have they offered explanation? No, for the same damn reason
When was the last post ccp rouge has ever made to this community?
What has he ever done for dust?
And before Anyone starts listing Rouge's accomplishments I will point out that not one thing has been posted by or about him officially since that wedding.
I would like to give the guy a chance, a fair shake, an open and accepting ear - but he has not tried once to approach this playerbase and discuss matters.
i have faith and trust in those that extend the same to me. Rouge? Who the **** is that? |
howard sanchez
Vader's-Fist The Empire of New Eden
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 06:34:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:While skipping over the "port naow" posts looking for something worth reading in GD, it occurred to me that the lowest moment in Dust's history -- the infamous Rouge Wedding -- was in fact nothing short of a port announcement!
More content. Sexier graphics. Better framework. Fewer middlemen. Presumably less lag. Larger potential playerbase. Etc ...
... and we freakin' crucified the dude.
If Rouge waltzed in today and announced the very same thing he announced in 2014, we'd hail him as hero and savior.
Amiright? No, the reason we "freakin' crucified the dude" was because he announced that they were basically ditching not only our community but all of our progress in Dust and moving to PC. None of the Round Tables where they confirmed that our progress would be kept and that this was actually aimed at the current playerbase were streamed on Twitch. Therefore the only thing seen by all of us watching the stream and not in attendance in Iceland was that we were all being ditched in exchange for the PC crowd while the Twitch chat was spammed with "PC MASTER RACE" and how all of us who currently play the game never deserved it in the first place. THAT is why we all got pissed. CCP Rouge being the director of Eve TV and proprietor of the streaming service itself is clearly a justifiable reason why the man is at fault. /sarcasm You got pissed at the one guy who dared show his face despite the poor planning on behalf of people that are not him. The one guy who had the balls to actually go up at the beginning of the Eve Keynote to play damage control the next day. S'okay, though, because I did too later on. Got banned for it, even. The hatred toward CCP Rouge was ill-placed and knee-jerky. Players couldn't - and still can't, apparently - understand the orchestra that is behind the scenes and will fault developers they know and see for the actions of the ones they don't. Learn from that experience. Holy crap- has the whole CPM been granted some detailed info and insight that the rest of the dust playerbase has To? Maybe that is exactly the case. When did you all get this terrific opinion of Rouge?
What has he done for dust? The only blue team that we have ever heard, over the past year, of doing anything positive for this game is Frame, Ratatti and crew. And crew has never included Rouge.
If that guy has contributed to this game in any positive way then spell it out.
Because the only interaction with the gentleman this playerbase has ever had was the keynote you suggest he provided "damage control" at. In my opinion it was a lot more damage than control
Seriously, I will try to be calm and put my very negative opinion on hold for a very short while if the CPM or any blue tag would like to point out why my opinion is so unjustified.
But you better be clear and convincing because no one has offered us any kind of explanation to this point and THAT is a big reason for the persistence in my and many others' dim view of the matter. |
howard sanchez
Vader's-Fist The Empire of New Eden
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 06:44:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Vicious Minotaur wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:... The hatred toward CCP Rouge was ill-placed and knee-jerky. Players couldn't - and still can't, apparently - understand the orchestra that is behind the scenes and will fault developers they know and see for the actions of the ones they don't.
Learn from that experience. Just gunna say that it is hard to understand the so-called "orchestra" when the conductors leave their audience in the dark and the musicians don't play their instruments, even though the audience bought tickets to their concert. CCP coulda learned from that, but... well... it is kinda dim in here, and the crickets... Well, they are chirping. Personally, I'd like the orchestra to begin to warm up and tune their instruments, if not begin to play some Tchaikovsky. And one wonders why Aeon, I don't understand why you feel this community has no reason to dislike the style of 'communication' that ccp rouge has used since his hiring to 'interact' with us.
And what do you mean by,'and one wonders why'?
Wonders why what? Why we still feel negatively about fanfest 14?
Why wouldn't we? What has been said about the blindside we were dealt? What has been done to alleviate the concern that this game is still going no where?
And, in that particular regard, I will personally thank Cross Atu for what little hope and encouragement he could offer recently.
He is the only one trying to communicate a positive message to this playerbase....in the midst of continued silence and lack of information ( when clearly ther is information held closely by ccp).
So please do not suggest we shouldn't have a negative opinion of Rouge. Until he wants to step out of the shadows and give us a reason to trust him all we have to go with is what we know. And that ain't much |
Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.09.13 09:38:00 -
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I believe what Aeon is saying is that Rouge wasn't the one who made that decision. He was CCP Shanghai's public face, but there was a net of strings behind the scene that made various decisions, decisions that Rouge didn't approve of and yet had to speak for.
CCP Shanghai had some staff pruning post FanFest 2014, particularly in the PR and marketing department.
AND THEN STEVE BUSCEMI SHOWS UP ON A FLYING PIG FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON
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Bri Bub
Dead TOOMEY
314
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Posted - 2015.09.13 10:24:00 -
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Can anyone say "burning trees"?
Let us recall that in October prior to FF14 they committed to PS3 with "laser focus"... And while no game updates were released for months leading up to FF, the DEVs kept alluding to really great news for everyone to stay tuned for upcoming at the DUST keynote, which essentially was CCP abandoning DUST...
I'd rather just forget the whole episode, the shock and despair I felt as I watched the FF stream that weekday morning, and the aftermath of the community quitting in droves, still leaves a bad taste in my mouth... That announcement was not of a port, it was one of utter abandonment, and would have a similar result today...
Be just and if you can't be just be arbitrary.
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Leovarian L Lavitz
TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS No Context
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Posted - 2015.09.13 10:33:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Rouge does not deserve any of the hate he got after Fanfest 2014. Agreed, and I'll add that dust has gotten much more fun with him in charge
Youtube: Dust 514 - You should Have Worn Proto
One V One Emperor
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Georgia Xavier
Incorruptibles
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 14:32:00 -
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Port threads in Dust
Click for an instant good day! (or atleast cheer you up a bit)
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howard sanchez
Vader's-Fist The Empire of New Eden
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 14:41:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:I believe what Aeon is saying is that Rouge wasn't the one who made that decision. He was CCP Shanghai's public face, but there was a net of strings behind the scene that made various decisions, decisions that Rouge didn't approve of and yet had to speak for.
CCP Shanghai had some staff pruning post FanFest 2014, particularly in the PR and marketing department. Thanks Cat for making that point. And IF that is what Aeon and Darth are trying to say then they should say THAT. And more. In clear and simple language without cryptic scoldings towards us. Because I have never heard Rouge say anything like that. I have never heard anything from Rouge ( who supposedly is in charge of Dust).
Again, want me and others to change our opinion about what happened, why and his role then and since?
Wait, for it.....
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Aiwha Bait
Incorruptibles
260
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Posted - 2015.09.13 15:38:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:While skipping over the "port naow" posts looking for something worth reading in GD, it occurred to me that the lowest moment in Dust's history -- the infamous Rouge Wedding -- was in fact nothing short of a port announcement!
More content. Sexier graphics. Better framework. Fewer middlemen. Presumably less lag. Larger potential playerbase. Etc ...
... and we freakin' crucified the dude.
If CCP Rouge waltzed in today and announced the very same thing he announced in 2014, would we not hail him as hero and savior?
http://biomassed.net/2015/05/15/a-change-in-legion-status-maybe/ *looks at "port" announcememt and takes a shotgun to it*
"Bait is too adorable to stab" - Zaria Min Deir
Writer and Editor for Biomassed
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Aiwha Bait
Incorruptibles
260
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Posted - 2015.09.13 15:42:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:While skipping over the "port naow" posts looking for something worth reading in GD, it occurred to me that the lowest moment in Dust's history -- the infamous Rouge Wedding -- was in fact nothing short of a port announcement!
More content. Sexier graphics. Better framework. Fewer middlemen. Presumably less lag. Larger potential playerbase. Etc ...
... and we freakin' crucified the dude.
If Rouge waltzed in today and announced the very same thing he announced in 2014, we'd hail him as hero and savior.
Amiright? No, the reason we "freakin' crucified the dude" was because he announced that they were basically ditching not only our community but all of our progress in Dust and moving to PC. None of the Round Tables where they confirmed that our progress would be kept and that this was actually aimed at the current playerbase were streamed on Twitch. Therefore the only thing seen by all of us watching the stream and not in attendance in Iceland was that we were all being ditched in exchange for the PC crowd while the Twitch chat was spammed with "PC MASTER RACE" and how all of us who currently play the game never deserved it in the first place. THAT is why we all got pissed. CCP Rouge being the director of Eve TV and proprietor of the streaming service itself is clearly a justifiable reason why the man is at fault. /sarcasm You got pissed at the one guy who dared show his face despite the poor planning on behalf of people that are not him. The one guy who had the balls to actually go up at the beginning of the Eve Keynote to play damage control the next day. S'okay, though, because I did too later on. Got banned for it, even. The hatred toward CCP Rouge was ill-placed and knee-jerky. Players couldn't - and still can't, apparently - understand the orchestra that is behind the scenes and will fault developers they know and see for the actions of the ones they don't. Learn from that experience. Holy crap- has the whole CPM been granted some detailed info and insight that the rest of the dust playerbase has To? Maybe that is exactly the case. When did you all get this terrific opinion of Rouge? What has he done for dust? The only blue team that we have ever heard, over the past year, of doing anything positive for this game is Frame, Ratatti and crew. And crew has never included Rouge. If that guy has contributed to this game in any positive way then spell it out.
Our patch notes are marked from both CCP Rattati and CCP Rouge, IIRC. Just saying. The man talks to us, just not directly.
"Bait is too adorable to stab" - Zaria Min Deir
Writer and Editor for Biomassed
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howard sanchez
Vader's-Fist The Empire of New Eden
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 16:14:00 -
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Respectfully Mr Bait,
When someone talks TO you it is, by definition, direct.
Of course there are people doing things with DUST that we never hear of or from. Hilmar comes to mind.
But these mystery people do not talk to us and any opinion we form of them is founded upon what we know.
So it is surprising to hear from multiple CPM2s about how great and contributory CCP Rouge has been.
And, again, I will gladly suspend and reform my negative opinions if and when someone with DIRECT knowledge and insight lists some of those contributions.
How is my position unreasonable in this matter? |
Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
6
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Posted - 2015.09.13 16:49:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:Respectfully Mr Bait,
When someone talks TO you it is, by definition, direct.
Of course there are people doing things with DUST that we never hear of or from. Hilmar comes to mind.
But these mystery people do not talk to us and any opinion we form of them is founded upon what we know.
So it is surprising to hear from multiple CPM2s about how great and contributory CCP Rouge has been.
And, again, I will gladly suspend and reform my negative opinions if and when someone with DIRECT knowledge and insight lists some of those contributions.
How is my position unreasonable in this matter? I wouldn't say it's unreasonable, but it's pretty clear that right now Rattati is the only one that can handle this place right now.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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howard sanchez
Vader's-Fist The Empire of New Eden
1
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Posted - 2015.09.13 16:53:00 -
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M+¦bius, we agree |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
15
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Posted - 2015.09.13 16:53:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote: ... it's pretty clear that right now Rattati is the only one that can handle this place. CCP Rattati, Lord of the Rings. |
Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
18
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Posted - 2015.09.13 17:17:00 -
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This place is full of trolls. CCP Rattati is a troll.
Hence he not only survives here, he thrives.
AND THEN STEVE BUSCEMI SHOWS UP ON A FLYING PIG FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON
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