AV is like Anti Vehicle, its the counter to your vehicle, if we need 2-3 guys to counter your tank they guns would need to be renamed to SV (Supressing Vehicle), AV is designed to blow you up.

Learn to live with it.

we do Master Jaraiya because our blueberries do nothing just went 18-0 in my tank I couldn't get passed the main gate because there was a good 4-7 AV they were only militia but I can't take constant volleys of swarms and forge shots, I would sit there killing as many as I could then once I hit the 3,000 hp threshold I retreated to a supply depot. I lost because my blue berries couldn't kill a half a dozen AV starter fits and a couple other militia ARs who were all focused on me. If they had advanced gear I would not have survived simple as that.

One guy running around with a hand portable weapon should not be able to single handedly take out a tank.

I wasnt talking about game tanks and AV, Speaker wanted to go rambling about how "Its a tank for a reason, real world blah blah blah" so I brought up a real world example
Weapons tech usually advances faster than defensive tech so even older stuff can still pose a threat to modern defenses

Now will the RPG 29 leave an Abrams a smoking pile of scrap, nope
But will it shred some armor and turn any crew member unlucky enough to be near the impact point into chunky salsa, you better believe it

Hell, lets change AV so it does that, less overall damage to the hull put damages the crew depending on impact point and if its enough damage to kill you then someone can come along and hijack your tank with it working at half capacity or something

Has it so rough, goes 18/0 in a match.

we do know what's it's like to see all of our armor and hp disappear from tank blasters and rail guns.

Can you back any of that up or is this you throwing a tantrum again since I came at your ranting with examples that run contrary to what you want
Oh and are you going to challenge me to drive a tank with you again and then duck out one more time, that would be three in a row you've almost got the hat trick

I don't think 18-0, for example, says much about the situation... other than that you don't want other folks getting such scores?

Simply comparing direct hit damage does not give an accurate representation. You have to use the DPS. Furthermore, when discussing the DPS of the FG you must also factor in the reload time. SO,

MLT FG has 3 shots per clip, 4 second charge time, 8 second reload time.

MLT FG 660 DPS MLT Heavy Dropsuit HP 707

MLT Rail Turret DPS 522 Soma HP 3,651

SO, it would take 5.5 Seconds to kill a MLT Soma with an all MLT Heavy, with no skills in either.

MLT AR DPS 425

It would take a full MLT Assault 1.6 seconds to kill a Full MLT Heavy

You tankers have it so rough.

I agree with you about the RPG. But have you ever heard of the AT4?

mmmmmmmmm there you go :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67-fLCF3AY4

And that a old tank .... old P.O.S soviet era tank .

I just thought I'd blow your mind in showing you that ...... one RPG DOES NOT..... destroy the tank.

I keep seeing people say that on here and laugh .

Keep fighting each other to make the game worse than it already is .



Didn't we learn anything from the mag forums?

It's a long first post. Do you have trouble reading anything longer than a single paragraph?

So how about when it was mathematically proven that the Duvolle TAR was on par with ADV large blasters?

So how about when it was mathematically proven that the Duvolle TAR was on par with ADV large blasters?

This thread is amazing! Apparently you have to be a dedicated tanker in order to have an opinion on tanks. Does that mean you have to be a dedicated AVer in order to have an opinion on AV?

This is my favourite bit though:

Brilliant! To be fair, we should also make it so infantry cannot be killed by tank fire. To paraphrase, '[i]f my infantry is out of the fight repping and cooling down then we both win'.

Do you even consistency, bro?

I care because, if tankers were left to decide how to balance the game, every pub would be a 50-1 stomp from squads of tankers (which I've seen happen several times, btw) and every PC would be six (or whatever the limit is) tanks per side with all infantry hiding from their metal overlords in dark corners of the city. For example, this line

which most tankers have come out with at some stage, is a call for unbalancing the game. It means that a side with a tank has an effective two man advantage over a side without one, as one tanker is enough to make, say, three infantry put down their ARs/HMGs. The same goes for 2 tanks versus 1, 3 vs 2, etc. To maximize competitiveness you'd have to field the maximum number of tanks.

Your right, I've killed plenty of maddys with a AR.

I dont think this guy got your memo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pwmdAjePLY

You don't tank.

You have no idea what it's like to see a third of your armor melt away from one volley of PRO swarms. You don't know what it's like to see a third of your armor melt away from one packed Lai Dai.

You don't tank. Stop thinking you know how they're supposed to work.

It takes less than 300,000 SP to get Haywire Wiyrkomis. Fact

You don't know what it's like to have to deal with blue dots that want to get in your tank for half a battle. They get indignant that you won't give them anything to shoot at.

You don't tank.

So what do they do? They shoot your tank. They melee it. They shoot it some more. They throw grenades at it. They shoot it some more. They get back in the turret. They shoot the turret. They switch seats if they're the only other one in it. They switch seats rapidly in hopes of getting the driver's seat. They jump out and shoot the tank again. They punch the tank again. They get back in the tank and fire the turrets at nothing.

Every installation counts as a direct threat to us. I remember during Chromosome, I forgot which skill it was, that at level 5, caused turrets to not shoot at you when you ran towards them. That obviously did not work when in a vehicle.

We don't have ADV or PRO vehicles.

Driver and main turret operation cannot be split up, because we do not rely on blue dots. The culmination of however good any of us are is the direct result of observing how blue dots are, which is useless, and knowing who in our squad we can rely on. We use the terrain to our advantage. We use range to our advantage. We use the time it takes to reload to our advantage. We use speed to our advantage.

I absolutely will not rely on a blue dot I do not know to man my turret, because I'll be damned if I'm going to let a random drive my tank. Splitting operation would be the absolute worst thing CCP could do for tanking, and would destroy it completely. As a result, most tanks would probably biomass their character and either start going full infantry, or just never play this game again.

You don't tank. You don't have experience tanking.

MLT hull and modules =/= STD hull and modules.

What happened when everybody complained about contact grenades. They got nerfed into the ground. Next time a tanker complains about AV grenades, make sure you remember what I said about infantry contact grenades.

Double standards

Contact grenades are/were the only thing that homed in on infantry. We have to worry about swarm launchers, which track us for 400m before automatically terminating. When they hit, they hit hard, really hard. Wiyrkomis hit for around 7000 damage against armor before having to reload, if all 3 volleys hit.

Contact grenades got nerfed. AV grenades haven't.

Terrain damages vehicles. Not so much anymore for infantry.

Next time another non-pilot makes a thread about tanks, whatever it may be, remember this thread.

You don't have the experience we have. It's actually quite easy to destroy us, if you know how to do it, and considering the complaints on here about tanks, only a sad few actually know how to destroy us. If it takes a tanker to write out how to destroy us, you're doing it wrong now, you did it wrong before, and you'll probably continue to do it wrong until you reach that eureka moment, when you and 2 people beside you destroy a tank in 3 seconds. Until then, you'll vainly try to solo the best tankers in the game.

Also, the huge majority of us are in skirmish and domination, not ambush. When you say "tank" and "ambush" in the same sentence, I want you to take a few minutes and think really hard before posting a reply / threat with those words in the same sentence. The guys that habitually tank in ambush are the ones worried about KD/R. The rest of us just want to win and kill a few infantry along the way.

You don't tank.

I've heard that those who tank in ambush, do poorly when it comes to skirmish / domination / faction warfare / planetary conquest, because they don't have to worry about much in ambush. In the other modes, they have to worry about the world trying to kill them.

Remember what I said before you complain about tanks. We not only have to deal with your PRO gear, we have to deal with stupid blue dots as well.

Late Edit:

This is what happens when you shoot a tank with a rifle. Remember that.

The only logical counter argument is that infantry have MLT / STD, ADV and PRO suits. Why can't we have ADV and PRO hulls?

You know...what if they introduced mobility-kills to tanks. Toughened up their armor and shields (make them overall harder to kill) but easier to disable (destruction on treads or the generator/engine on the back). When the HAV is disabled, it essentially becomes a stationary turret (easy to destroy with powerful demolition charges, but still a major force in the immediate area)...repair tools repair the damage only when the tank's armor returns to full (or introduce a structure health bar like there is space-side to be replenished).

you couldn't be more wrong. i want tanks. just not the solo god like killing machines that you want. and why should it take a team to take out a tank that can solo. that is not balance. thats as one sided as it gets.

if it took 3 people to operate the tank and 3 people to take it out then thats an acceptable balance.

LOL You cannot be serious. The cameraman stayed behind the wall. There's characteristic smoke trailing RPGs. Everybody knows that. Then, in the next edited shot of the tank being destroyed (it's edited because it's 2 different cameras, and therefore suspect), there's no smoke trail. Plus, it's a Russian tank, not American or British. Like the AK-47, they mass produce things to send them off for other peoples' wars.

So no, that video is highly suspect.

I have a question, if one person with an AR can simply shoot a tank to destroy it... What's the purpose of even having a tank? According to you "this is acceptable balance".

You keep complaining to make tanks weaker , yet you never once ever explained how a tank should be operated? Cowering from 300+ meters away because encountering any AV means instant destruction?(this example is made using your models not the current ingame settings)

If tanks were weakened to the point that a single AV player could blow it up before it gets close enough to engage... What's the purpose of a tank? It has to be able to take a beating of some kind as it approaches because it can't hide anywhere and everywhere like infantry can. Tanks cannot hide period! It's literally impossible to loose track of a tank because they can be seen from the areal map.

Basically tanks exchange all the defensive benefits that infantry have for a bit of armor and firepower.
So if a tank can't have that what is it supposed to do?