think about this in eve standards if it took three guys in starter fit to destroy a titan why would we build them?

Then where are the scissors, in the papers hands?

Oh god a tank!

Corporal get on the line we need an anti-tank tank

But sarge they already have an anti (anti-tank tank) tank

May god have mercy on our souls corporal, may god have mercy on our souls

Infantry just cannot accept that the best counter to a tank should be another tank. No, it has to be infantry weapons, that are each all more powerful than a turret. That's like saying a 40mm 203 round is more powerful than the main gun of an Abrams.

17 pages over something that could have been settled in one page. geez..

LOWER THE DAMN PRICE ON TANKS. You will see more tanks on the field and IT WILL KILL ANY ARGUMENT BY HAV DRIVERS AS TO WHY THEY SHOULDN'T DIE. NO MORE TANK QQ THREADS.


Tanks aren't a damn suit. but even if they were A PRICE REDUCTION WILL SHUT THEM UP.

TANKS WILL NEVER BE PRIMARY IN ANY FPS GAME. What's that? Dust is not a.... cause All I see is LOBBY FPS.

You want to see fields full of havs and lavs and dropships?

*oh my..*

yeah.. then lower the damn price. Tankers can't deal with dieing more than 2 times? If the price got lowered you still complaining?

Read underline statement. Otherwise world of tanks is that way ------------------>

*here comes COD references.. *

BF you Dota loving blokes. BF! Cod has no vehicles. And COD players are already playing cod.

This hasn't been mentioned yet, but I think it would be interesting to see the total ISK value of all suits/vehicles destroyed by tanks compared to the ISK value of all destroyed tanks. Tankers claim tanks are too expensive, but when they go 18-0 they are dealing out a ton of ISK loss to the other team. It may take the tanker 10 games to make back the price of their tank, but if they can shell out that kind of ISK loss to the enemy then tanks should be expensive themselves. I think this is a reasonable metric for CCP to balance tank prices on.

This hasn't been mentioned yet, but I think it would be interesting to see the total ISK value of all suits/vehicles destroyed by tanks compared to the ISK value of all destroyed tanks. Tankers claim tanks are too expensive, but when they go 18-0 they are dealing out a ton of ISK loss to the other team. It may take the tanker 10 games to make back the price of their tank, but if they can shell out that kind of ISK loss to the enemy then tanks should be expensive themselves. I think this is a reasonable metric for CCP to balance tank prices on.

so dieing 5-10 times in a single game is god mode. i would hate to think what normal mode is

also infantry use far more teamwork than tankers do, how do you think we capture null cannons from the enemy, you know the pointy buildings that shoot missiles into the air at the mcc that only infantry can capture and actually win the fight. while you are off in your tank just mowing down anything that moves.

too easy for a tank to solo if you know what your doing

yes it will make me happier. then we will really have something to have your tanks nerfed for

What if out of the 16 players on the opposing team, none happen to be skilled into HAVs? By your logic they should just line up, drop their pants and take it from the one HAV pilot on the other team for the whole round?

Nothing makes people quit a competitive game like DUST quite like the feeling of being powerless. Proto squad stomping creates that feeling. HAV stomping creates that feeling even more. It's not a good time. I remember playing one round back in Chromosome where there were two tanks spider repping each other and my team was just impotent against them. When a bunch of us went AV and still couldn't take the two tanks down, the other team's infantry stomped us hard. It was a horrible round that I wouldn't wish on anyone.

We've said time and time again, we still manage to survive, flourish and even get infantry angry because even after so many consecutive tank nerfs, and so many parallel AV buffs, you all still find it incredibly difficult to kill us.

So I don't know what you're trying to say by removing the word intelligence, but if anybody is lacking it, it's infantry.

so from this post alone by my understanding your saying tanks and av are fine as they are because tanks survive,flourish and are incredibly difficult to kill.

i give up. i have no idea what your entire thread is about anymore. its all nonsense. you change your point on almost every post

you tankers in this thread are way beyond hope. there is no reasoning with the unreasonable

i really hope ccp give you what you want. and then nerf the **** out off you when your op

i await your tears

think about this in eve standards if it took three guys in starter fit to destroy a titan why would we build them?

What if out of the 16 players on the opposing team, none happen to be skilled into HAVs? By your logic they should just line up, drop their pants and take it from the one HAV pilot on the other team for the whole round?

Nothing makes people quit a competitive game like DUST quite like the feeling of being powerless. Proto squad stomping creates that feeling. HAV stomping creates that feeling even more. It's not a good time. I remember playing one round back in Chromosome where there were two tanks spider repping each other and my team was just impotent against them. When a bunch of us went AV and still couldn't take the two tanks down, the other team's infantry stomped us hard. It was a horrible round that I wouldn't wish on anyone.

translation: dust tanks are meant to be **** and strong tanks will not exist.

What if out of the 16 players on the opposing team, none happen to be skilled into HAVs? By your logic they should just line up, drop their pants and take it from the one HAV pilot on the other team for the whole round?

Okay let's assume that tanks are paper, rock is infantry,and scissors are anti tank infantry. And Rail tanks (or anti tank tanks) are part of paper too, for the same reason that anti infantry infantry (aka most of you) are part of rock, you counter yourself.

Paper beats rock, rock beats scissors,scissors beat rock. However these 3 can team up in various combinations to gain advantage.

Rock VS rock stalemates, so rock A brings in paper A to gain an advantage . Rock + paper beats rock. To counter Rock A's advantage, rock B brings in scissors, so we end up with rock + paper VS rock + scissors. Now scissors beat paper so paper is removed from the field, so we're down to rock VS rock + scissors! now since scissors is no longer needed they can withdraw, change to rock whatever, we end up back at rock VS rock.

Now we can throw together all sorts of nice combinations and changing circumstances and make some interesting tactical circumstances out of it, such as

Paper vs rock, paper wins. Rock changes to scissors. Paper vs scissors, scissors wins. Paper changes into rock as scissors divide into rock and scissors in case paper returns. Rock Vs rock + scissors. Rock has the advantage, to counter this rock B replaces scissors with paper. Rock VS rock + paper! rock +paper will win! now since Rock is low on scissors they call in paper as their backup, we now have Rock + paper VS rock + paper! they tie so rock calls in scissors! Rock + paper VS rock + paper + scissors.

And so on and so on, you get the idea, done right rock, paper, scissors can lead to interesting gameplay, now let's add AV nades to the mix.

Paper VS rock with AV nades, draw or rocks victory, rock can effectively neuter paper without having to call in scissors, that's how ridiculous the things are right now.

Infantry just cannot accept that the best counter to a tank should be another tank. No, it has to be infantry weapons, that are each all more powerful than a turret. That's like saying a 40mm 203 round is more powerful than the main gun of an Abrams.

23 pages of nothing but parrot talk.........

Vehicals are getting rebalanced, CCP have said there goal is to make tanks more "fun", therefore recognising, that they not so much fun at the moment

we could buff tanks, now av is inifective, we could buff av, now tanks are wack (more so)

CCP has said, and i agree, that the answer is within our active modules

Yes we got active modules now, but they still dont cut it, (if you cant kill a tank you suck, end off)

Surely this is the most logical way to go....

Get caught with your pants down, you die

Get attacked while in beast mode (then it should take a good few av to destroy said tank)

surely this is a + + for everyone, tanks will have to play more tacticle than now even, which is "surely" more fun and interesting

and av will have to time there attacks a bit more wisely

I thought they said it would be engagmemt times!
Armour tanks will be more limited by ammo
Sheild tank will be more limited by modules.

I'm not sure fun is defined by cycling modules.

But you see thats thing, av grenades only work if you are close enough! A grenade is a big boon to anti infantry, if your enemy is running av grenades your team run grenades and mass drivers. AV grenades aren't difficult to avoid if you stay far enough from those weilding them.

AV makes you AI AV hybrid, you can do both, but not as effectively as a specialist.

In terms of your rock paper scissors argument, why cant rocks hold scissors?
If you are feilding paper and scissors, I want rock, paper and scissors. So you deploy rocks. Now its rocks+scissors+paper against the same it becomes the stalemate. So rocks become rocks+ scissors, but with drawback, almost as if it becomes a lizard.

Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock