so dieing 5-10 times in a single game is god mode. i would hate to think what normal mode is

also infantry use far more teamwork than tankers do, how do you think we capture null cannons from the enemy, you know the pointy buildings that shoot missiles into the air at the mcc that only infantry can capture and actually win the fight. while you are off in your tank just mowing down anything that moves.

so dieing 5-10 times in a single game is god mode.

also infantry use far more teamwork than tankers do, how do you think we capture null cannons from the enemy, you know the pointy buildings that shoot missiles into the air at the mcc that only infantry can capture and actually win the fight. while you are off in your tank just mowing down anything that moves.

so from this post alone by my understanding your saying tanks and av are fine as they are because tanks survive,flourish and are incredibly difficult to kill.

i give up. i have no idea what your entire thread is about anymore. its all nonsense. you change your point on almost every post

do tankers not realise they are in a suit, inside a tank.

I'm using your argument to prove yourself wrong.



This came from you. I understand balance. I also understand that I'm biased and so, I shouldn't be making said balancing decisions. However, neither should you, who is clearly more biased than me.

yes it will make me happier. then we will really have something to have your tanks nerfed for

Makes no sense. Although, I'm sure you meant "So killing 5-10 times in a single game is god mode." According to you infantry it is, after all, isn't that what you're complaining about?

LOL!

I'm pretty damned sure I know how you idiots capture Null Cannons. The basis of your argument seems to be based on us " mowing down anything that moves." Which doesn't happen often. We haven't gone 30+ kills since Chromosome, unlike infantry which regularly go 40+ with only 5 deaths.

We both know that there is no teamwork involved in this game; at least not with complete randoms, sure with corporations there are but, thats really only the competitive ones such as SVER True Blood.

Amen brotha!

It's like I've said in other threads; killing a tank shouldn't be the deciding factor with solo proto AVers. They seem to want to be able to kill the tank or it's unacceptable.

Removing the tank from the fight should be the goal of proto AV abilities. When the tank is scared off and has to recoup it is a non-issue.

A tanker shouldn't have to deal with either alive or dead. I want to enjoy a tank in a match. My tank should be able to stay alive if I plan ahead for my mods. Your only worry as infantry is that the tank is in the fight. If my tank is out of the fight repping and cooling down then we both win. I can continue to use the thing I trained in and enjoy the game. You get to not worry about my tank for awhile.

The dev post on tank changes seem to be pointing to a greater contrast of the tank being able to be invulnerable temporarily and then be very vulnerable on cooldown.

A proto AVer should have to work to destroy a tank and be smart, not sit on a roof and wait for the tank to just stroll by.

A dedicated AVer should be able to observe the route a tank takes and go where the tank is going to be passing by in its vulnerable state.

Easy. I see no reason for complaints by infantry players unless those players just want to have an easy kill with little effort. They can't accept a tank still being alive but sitting on the redline repping and out of combat.

That just doesn't do it for them because their goal of a tank kill goes unfulfilled. Nevermind they have done their job of suppressing the tank and keeping it pushed back. On no! That doesn't add to their k/d ratio.

Also the max health of a suit is about 1600, a well placed core locus will drop you to about 750 ehp, so I think infantry know more about loosing chunks of health, especially when it impacts more!

Have you taken the time to read my actual opinion, tanks are fine, they don't need a nerf but they sure as hell don't need a buff!
You said to me everything that has been nerfed, was nerfed because it killed infantry, this is what you said, so why would buff anything ever if that were the case? You attempted to use the fact that weaponry has been nerfed because of infantry bad attitude, I disproved that!

Using my argument against me doesn't consist of telling me you are!

You said to me everything that has been nerfed, was nerfed because it killed infantry, this is what you said, so why would buff anything ever if that were the case?

You attempted to use the fact that weaponry has been nerfed because of infantry bad attitude, I disproved that!

I am a AV unit and I agree with this I can not stand AV'ers that complain that they can't solo a tank. when i engage a tank i do so expecting to push it back away from the area, if that tanker is going to keep coming then guess what? I WILL KEEP GUNNING FOR YOU until you leave i know better than to chase a tank on my own, but believe me i will be watching what direction you are heading and do my best to cut you off from advancing. in any other direction.

lolnope.

sorry. Breach FG can hit for 4k of my 7k. 10% passive resists before active mods (which I often don't have running; out of combat downtimes, dontchaknow) equals a potential hit for ~50% of my EHP on a huge target. Also, there is no way that a Core Locus with 600 base gets boosted to nearly 1k damage. Particularly considering you've got shields in the way. (unless there's a bug to do with headshots?) In any event, a well-placed Core Locus is harder to place than a Wyka Breach shot on a tank.

And I love it when a swarm launcher lol1shots my Madrugar through my resists from some BS critical hit he didn't even aim for.

the quote bugged out and i couldn't fix it. none the less my argument there still stands.

10-15 kills with 0-2 deaths. thats about average. i would say thats far more balanced than 1 lolassaulter steamrolling everything it can and as soon as anyone looks at you that might have any sort of ap you run and hide or as most of you do, you just switch the suit and get a shiney new one. also tanks[i/] do not often go 30+ kills. yes some do solo but not often and they take unfathomable[/] hits to the wallet to get so high. mostly its great squads or teams steamrolling the opposition which makes getting that 30 kills easy because they work as a team but thats another issue and nothing to do with infantry or ap

sure randoms like to solo, you in your dropsuit[/] like to solo. that makes you a random. people have suggested time and time again to make infantry require a squad(wait no they haven't! why not? just as effective, in my experience) which would require teamwork to use and then this would make balancing infantry across 3 [i]infantry players to take that [i]protosuit out balanced but [i]infantry are having none of it and still want to solo.

when a rail turret kills all with 1 shot, when a blaster turret kills a player in 1-2 hits. yet you in your tank can and do often survive 4 or 5 hits before blowing. its only when people are tired of your stomping that they turn to av and its never a single av player its always more.

and you say we have no right to say what happens with tanks.

the quote bugged out and i couldn't fix it. none the less my argument there still stands.

5-10 kills with 5-10 deaths. thats about average. i would say thats far more balanced than 1 tank steamrolling everything it can and as soon as anyone looks at you that might have any sort of av you run and hide or as most of you do, you just recall the tank and get a shiney new one. also infantry do not often go 30+ kills. yes some do solo but not often and they take serious hits to the wallet to get so high. mostly its great squads or teams steamrolling the opposition which makes getting that 30 kills easy because they work as a team but thats another issue and nothing to do with tanks or av

sure randoms like to solo, you in your tank like to solo. that makes you a random. people have suggested time and time again to make tanks require a crew which would require teamwork to use and then this would make balancing av across 3 av players to take that tank out balanced but tankers are having none of it and still want to solo.

as anyone looks at you that might have any sort of av you run and hide or as most of you do, you just recall the tank and get a shiney new one.

You got it, headshot with a grenade are possible and working as intended!
Most suits are 1 shoted, heavies are the exception!

Why are you complaining? You're not taking ~2000 worth of damage from a single grenade, or ~2500 worth of damage from a single volley / round, or 3000 from a Wiyrkomi breach (though some use it as anti infantry). You really just don't have anything to complain about. CCP is trying to attract and retain new players. I think it's entirely in their right to give new players as many things as possible to try to retain them. If you don't think that should be the case, then you could find something else to play. After all, the survivability of this game isn't on your head.

This thread just keeps getting better and better!

So long as that week all vehicles are reduced to <1500 HP (including maxed out plates and extenders), with no damage reduction and full damage from small arms fire.

The grass is always greener.

Im sorry mirage but you are beyond hope, you misconstrued points to suit your agenda. I will not convince you, neither will you convince me!

I bid you good night, because I tire of this argument!

Well, I'll accept that.

However, I'm going to call that the exception, not the rule. In the same way that I rarely eat 50% damage from one shot from a forge, or get lol1shot from a swarm.

I do, however, have to deal with a single shot from a free weapon dealing 1/5th of my HP on my top-tier, maxed-relevant-skills, 1.4M fitting, which is not something that a heavy ever has to deal with (aside from grenades, of course, but I'll take that and raise you a 'grenades are basically point-blank weapons')

The argument that tank HP is an advantage doesn't mean much.
Especially when there are weapons that make the HP mean nothing but a scaled up version of infantry HP with a scaled up version of infantry weapons.

you tankers in this thread are way beyond hope. there is no reasoning with the unreasonable

i really hope ccp give you what you want. and then nerf the **** out off you when your op

i await your tears

Hmm... you seem to pretty much be copying Monkey. I have to wonder now, are any of your ideas actually yours?

we could say the same about you/Spkr4theDead/Void Echo and a host of others in this thread

I disagree with the weapons bit. Scaled up versions of infantry weapons could be used against infantry but it seems that most people are complaining about the AV grenades and SL. There is obviously a scale to balance the extended HP with higher damage weapons but another thing to consider is that tanks use armor repair and damage reduction. I can sit there and toss 3 proto packed AV grenades at a tank and watch it repair itself in between tosses so that my net damage is 0 by the time I get to lock on with a SL. Infantry cannot do this. So it's not just scaled numbers, there are different mechanics involved.

Infantry can use damage mods if they want.
The mods that rep armor have a cooldown. Infantry reps don't stop. Neither do shields which go up an insane rate compared to vehicle shield boosters.

How much time do you spend as infantry? Do you know the value of anti infantry grenades for crowd control or just plain killing?

How many of your fittings, barring any dirty AV grenade ones, forgo anti infantry grenades?