What good is a tank if it doesn't do a lot of damage? You have a hull with no better than an Exile rifle. Is that what you want? They're called tanks for a reason. They take a lot of damage, and they have a really big gun.

Shall we talk about the disparity between large railgun turrets and forge guns? You decide

It seems the "tankers" want to go back to the supertanker days during closed beta. Sorry tanks have always been vulnerable to a single person with a RPG. LIke always.

and they also have a crew, a driver who drives the vehicle, a gunner who controls the gun, and a commander who directs both crew members

If they were that vulnerable, we wouldn't be using them in the Middle East.

Why are you so afraid of tanks? You're given incredibly effective and easy to use tools to take care of them, yet you still complain and seem scared. Why are you scared?

What good is a tank if it doesn't do a lot of damage? You have a hull with no better than an Exile rifle. Is that what you want? They're called tanks for a reason. They take a lot of damage, and they have a really big gun.

Shall we talk about the disparity between large railgun turrets and forge guns? You decide

This isn't World of Tanks, and from what I've gathered from other people telling me about the game, it's still the one player controlling the whole tank, not a couple people operating it cooperatively. So any point you were trying to make is still moot, because, well, it's a game.

the field in less than 2 seconds even Militia noobs.

a TANK requires multiple, fully dedicated AVers working in coordination to even suppress for a momentary respite.

You do realize we have "Up armored" our tanks right? Guess not.

P.S. Sooo not fraid. Proto nades and swarms .

So do you want to go back to the supertanker days? Seems so.

You seem to be a bit temperamental about this whole subject.

I could take what you just said about tanks and apply it to Heavies. Actually, I can't because Heavies can't really even take a lot more damage than a Med. Class Suit. We have a the HMG, which is actually worse than an Exile.

They're called heavies for a reason.

What disparity between the Large Railgun and the FG?

Assault FG - 2 Second Charge Time

Rail Turret - .08 Second charge time.

Assault FG - 4 Shots per clip, 4 reloads max.

Rail Turret - infinite

Assault FG - Carried by very slow, very large, easy to hit target with HP comparable to suits smaller than it's class. Can be killed by 95% of the players on the field in less than 2 seconds even Militia noobs.

Rail Turret - Carried by a TANK! Thousands of HP, requires multiple, fully dedicated AVers working in coordination to even suppress for a momentary respite.

So, yea, lets talk about that disparity.

if thats the case then your points are moot also. why would this being a game make your points valid and everyone elses moot

Please, assume I'm an idiot and know nothing about American firepower. The same concept carries through to Dust.

PRO crutches are what they are.

I don't remember "supertanker" days.

Okkk. Sooo. The reason we are having this discussion right now is because in the Beta at some points tanks were almost invincible and caused many QQ's.

Tanks are called tanks for a reason. Massive suppression, massive firepower, and enough HP to take some damage before needing to run away.

So it's all about the WP? For merely suppressing a tank, there's no reward? Maybe you should petition CCP to put in Battlefield-like rewards.

So we're still at this point, because even after so many consecutive nerfs to tanks, and so many parallel buffs to AV, infantry still think tanks are overpowered? From a point over a year ago, to now? All of that considered, tanks are still overpowered?

Got it

Hey everyone it's me Surt Gods End. A FPS Player. (That's right, I don't touch that mmo rubbish. Nor did I migrate from DCUO nor eve)

Just wanted to add to OP list of facts.

FACT 1- Takes one cool dude in RL to take out tank.

FACT 2- Takes one cool dude in a FPS video game to take out tank.

FACT 3- Dust is a lobby FPS.

FACT 4- HAV plays SUPPORT ROLES IN MOST FPS GAMES.

FACT 5- If the price for tanks and DS are lowered, less QQ will be had from pilots. and more HAV and DS will be seen on the field.




FACT 6- Tankers will die more with FACT 5. But lowered price should negate that. What's that? you don't think you should die more than 2 a match? Well... Harden The **** Up.

Amen brotha!

It's like I've said in other threads; killing a tank shouldn't be the deciding factor with solo proto AVers. They seem to want to be able to kill the tank or it's unacceptable.

Removing the tank from the fight should be the goal of proto AV abilities. When the tank is scared off and has to recoup it is a non-issue.

A tanker shouldn't have to deal with either alive or dead. I want to enjoy a tank in a match. My tank should be able to stay alive if I plan ahead for my mods. Your only worry as infantry is that the tank is in the fight. If my tank is out of the fight repping and cooling down then we both win. I can continue to use the thing I trained in and enjoy the game. You get to not worry about my tank for awhile.

FACT 3- Dust is a lobby FPS.

This was a lobby shooter.

FACT 5- If the price for tanks and DS are lowered, less QQ will be had from pilots. and more HAV and DS will be seen on the field.

That's like dumbing down enemy AI in Last of Us because the friendly AI is so bad that it keeps getting you found out. So what did the dev do? Make it so that when you're taking cover behind something, and your friendly AI is standing up, the enemy AI doesn't know where you are. It doesn't fix any problems at all, just more easily showcases bad design.

Brilliant! To be fair, we should also make it so infantry cannot be killed by tank fire. To paraphrase, '[i]f my infantry is out of the fight repping and cooling down then we both win'.

Do you even consistency, bro?

This thread is amazing! Apparently you have to be a dedicated tanker in order to have an opinion on tanks. Does that mean you have to be a dedicated AVer in order to have an opinion on AV?

This is my favourite bit though:

Brilliant! To be fair, we should also make it so infantry cannot be killed by tank fire. To paraphrase, '[i]f my infantry is out of the fight repping and cooling down then we both win'.

Do you even consistency, bro?

Don't hate the player hate the game. I'm just telling you like it is. Don't think it's fair? lol ask the dropship pilots. They suffered the same thing.

An Anti-Tank weaponry is called Anti-Tank because it stops tanks! You can't have your cake and eat it, spike!

Everything needs a counter, you are beginning to sound a bit greedy!

You think it should destroy a tank with one hit. At least, that's what you sound like.

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You think it should destroy a tank with one hit. At least, that's what you sound like.

and you think a tank should kill all and survive every game. thats what you sound like

You conveniently left out damage done, and the fact that you could put on damage mods without sacrificing much defense.