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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1945
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Posted - 2013.09.22 18:36:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:It seems the "tankers" want to go back to the supertanker days during closed beta. Sorry tanks have always been vulnerable to a single person with a RPG. LIke always. If they were that vulnerable, we wouldn't be using them in the Middle East. Why are you so afraid of tanks? You're given incredibly effective and easy to use tools to take care of them, yet you still complain and seem scared. Why are you scared?
When I saw this I felt like I had to chime in
You do know that a RPG 29 developed in the 80s can still damage the armor of an M1 Abrams tank and kill and wound crew members inside the tank right
As for why do we still use them, well against small arms fire what can you really say is better and in those situations we dont send our tanks alone they go with full infantry support in the event that the enemy does have infantry held anti tank weapons
In short, QQ moar, learn to drive and stop leaving your teammates behind to be a glory hound
Ive run across some tankers, hell brand new ones in militia tanks even, that know to stick close to a squad providing a wall of cover and fire support while we do our thing and watch his back against anyone trying to sneak up with some grenades or scan the roof tops for anyone trying to get the drop with a swarm or forge
Scratch our back and we will scratch yours, whine at us and charge off alone we will let you die just like you should let someone die if he decides he doesnt need the fire support and runs off by himself |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1946
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Posted - 2013.09.22 18:55:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:It seems the "tankers" want to go back to the supertanker days during closed beta. Sorry tanks have always been vulnerable to a single person with a RPG. LIke always. If they were that vulnerable, we wouldn't be using them in the Middle East. Why are you so afraid of tanks? You're given incredibly effective and easy to use tools to take care of them, yet you still complain and seem scared. Why are you scared? When I saw this I felt like I had to chime in You do know that a RPG 29 developed in the 80s can still damage the armor of an M1 Abrams tank and kill and wound crew members inside the tank right As for why do we still use them, well against small arms fire what can you really say is better and in those situations we dont send our tanks alone they go with full infantry support in the event that the enemy does have infantry held anti tank weapons In short, QQ moar, learn to drive and stop leaving your teammates behind to be a glory hound Ive run across some tankers, hell brand new ones in militia tanks even, that know to stick close to a squad providing a wall of cover and fire support while we do our thing and watch his back against anyone trying to sneak up with some grenades or scan the roof tops for anyone trying to get the drop with a swarm or forge Scratch our back and we will scratch yours, whine at us and charge off alone we will let you die just like you should let someone die if he decides he doesnt need the fire support and runs off by himself Here's the most ill-informed infantryman replying to a tank thread.
Can you back any of that up or is this you throwing a tantrum again since I came at your ranting with examples that run contrary to what you want
Oh and are you going to challenge me to drive a tank with you again and then duck out one more time, that would be three in a row you've almost got the hat trick |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1946
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Posted - 2013.09.22 19:07:00 -
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Bartimaeus of Achura wrote:delta you have obviously never played bf3 they are NOT that weak in it
I wasnt talking about game tanks and AV, Speaker wanted to go rambling about how "Its a tank for a reason, real world blah blah blah" so I brought up a real world example
Weapons tech usually advances faster than defensive tech so even older stuff can still pose a threat to modern defenses
Now will the RPG 29 leave an Abrams a smoking pile of scrap, nope
But will it shred some armor and turn any crew member unlucky enough to be near the impact point into chunky salsa, you better believe it
Hell, lets change AV so it does that, less overall damage to the hull put damages the crew depending on impact point and if its enough damage to kill you then someone can come along and hijack your tank with it working at half capacity or something |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1946
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Posted - 2013.09.22 19:17:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:AV is like Anti Vehicle, its the counter to your vehicle, if we need 2-3 guys to counter your tank they guns would need to be renamed to SV (Supressing Vehicle), AV is designed to blow you up.
Learn to live with it.
One guy running around with a hand portable weapon should not be able to single handedly take out a tank.
I dont think this guy got your memo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pwmdAjePLY |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1949
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Posted - 2013.09.22 19:23:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Bartimaeus of Achura wrote:delta you have obviously never played bf3 they are NOT that weak in it I wasnt talking about game tanks and AV, Speaker wanted to go rambling about how "Its a tank for a reason, real world blah blah blah" so I brought up a real world example Weapons tech usually advances faster than defensive tech so even older stuff can still pose a threat to modern defenses Now will the RPG 29 leave an Abrams a smoking pile of scrap, nope But will it shred some armor and turn any crew member unlucky enough to be near the impact point into chunky salsa, you better believe it Hell, lets change AV so it does that, less overall damage to the hull put damages the crew depending on impact point and if its enough damage to kill you then someone can come along and hijack your tank with it working at half capacity or something I agree with you about the RPG. But have you ever heard of the AT4?
You know for a second I thought that was Saab the car manufacturer, I was thinking they decided to get really aggressive in the market |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1949
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Posted - 2013.09.22 19:26:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:
It's a long first post. Do you have trouble reading anything longer than a single paragraph?
None of that addresses anything I said, in fact what I said addresses weak points in your argument that you have not been able to support instead trying to attack me personally or steer the conversation in another direction
QQ more |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1949
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Posted - 2013.09.22 20:03:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Crash Monster wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:AV is like Anti Vehicle, its the counter to your vehicle, if we need 2-3 guys to counter your tank they guns would need to be renamed to SV (Supressing Vehicle), AV is designed to blow you up.
Learn to live with it.
One guy running around with a hand portable weapon should not be able to single handedly take out a tank. I dont think this guy got your memo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pwmdAjePLY LOL You cannot be serious. The cameraman stayed behind the wall. There's characteristic smoke trailing RPGs. Everybody knows that. Then, in the next edited shot of the tank being destroyed (it's edited because it's 2 different cameras, and therefore suspect), there's no smoke trail. Plus, it's a Russian tank, not American or British. Like the AK-47, they mass produce things to send them off for other peoples' wars. So no, that video is highly suspect.
Youll grasp at any straw you can wont you
Want me to post a deluge of videos or do you want to save me the time and just search "RPG vs tank" in youtube |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1950
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Posted - 2013.09.22 20:22:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qHL7jET8Gc
Since someone mentioned posting video of people actually dying Im trying to limit it to test videos for now but theres a deluge of stuff from syria as Im sure you understand
Inb4 "herp derp thats not an rpg" You are right, its a step up and more akin to what the game is actually giving us |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1950
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Posted - 2013.09.22 20:27:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Delta 749 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qHL7jET8GcSince someone mentioned posting video of people actually dying Im trying to limit it to test videos for now but theres a deluge of stuff from syria as Im sure you understand Inb4 "herp derp thats not an rpg" You are right, its a step up and more akin to what the game is actually giving us Hey look, we arent even 4000 years in the future and already blowing up tanks like no tommorow, theres nothing even left of this thing and it can be used while sitting behind a cozy wall. I think ill grab one of those for my equipment slot, thx.
Indeed, its even single man portable |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1953
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Posted - 2013.09.22 20:40:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:
i made no mention in any of my posts that a single person should be able to take out a tank let alone with an AR. i also have never made any points to make tanks weaker. i also made no mention that tanks should be one shot by av.
dead wrong, your posts on making tanks require a driver and separate gunner make tanks extremely weak. you cannot way that youv never said anything on making us weak when you say that we should require a random bluetard to operate our personal investments and effectively kill tanking altogether.
The argument can be made that having one person able to focus solely on mobility and one focus solely on destroying the enemy is much more effective than having one person worrying about both
As for bad teammates that stuff happens to everyone, squad up and dont call in your stuff as soon as you spawn with the group, take a few steps off to the side and get your stuff set up |
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1954
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Posted - 2013.09.22 21:05:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:
well this is the 1st game in history for the console that allows players to take control of machines that normally AI programs would have, so yeah, shouldn't be soloed by anything under proto AV or another tank. we are NOT AI, we are players like you.
What the hell are you talking about? Dust is definitely not the first console game that lets players control a tank while infantry runs around and fights |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1958
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Posted - 2013.09.22 21:35:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Void Echo wrote:
well this is the 1st game in history for the console that allows players to take control of machines that normally AI programs would have, so yeah, shouldn't be soloed by anything under proto AV or another tank. we are NOT AI, we are players like you.
What the hell are you talking about? Dust is definitely not the first console game that lets players control a tank while infantry runs around and fights please enlighten me on what game allows you to put personal investment in anything besides infantry.
Battlefield series immediately springs to mind if you want to talk just vehicles and I consider my time and money very much a personal investment
Lets see, Halo has vehicles, Far Cry has vehicles but its been ages since I played that and cant remember if they are in multiplayer
Hell if I want to be really pedantic I could say armored core, thats all vehicle combat
Now if you want to grasp and straws and split hairs and say what games have an SP system like this game that make you level up vehicles to use them at a somewhat reasonable level then you are right there arent any since most devs have the sense to realize that this model is flawed for this game genre |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1958
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Posted - 2013.09.22 21:37:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:Void Echo wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:God tankers are so bitchy its funny. Here's the thing yes a tank should be this massive asset on the field for the team, not for 1 guy. Tankers want their cake and to eat it too. They want to be this massive influence on the field SOLO. One guy should not be able to wipe out everyone around him uncontested just because he spent more isk than the next guy. This just leads to everyone running tanks because its the only viable thing. If you want to run a tank solo it has to be only slightly stronger than a solo merc, and I say slightly stronger due to the fact they cost so much. If you want a true tank, a killing machine on the level of the M1 abrams you are going to have to multicrew your tank. This means driver only drives, gunner only shoots, and support gunners only run support guns. The more complex and team based a tank is the more powerful it can be due to the fact it requires more people to be effective.
So by that meaning if you want to run a solo tank expect it to be paper thin, if you want a strong tank expect to have to run a crew of people. This is balance and this is fair. translation: dust tanks are meant to be **** and strong tanks will not exist. Translation: Tanks can be extreamly powerful if crewed correctly and require more investment than just SP and ISK to use. Also from your statement, and previous statements you are one of those people who just want to drive around in your metal death box and laugh at people who did not invest in tanks. Seriously man think about balance not your own personal wants.
You cant really tank Void seriously, he got angry at someone and declared they werent a real tanker because they blew up another tank using a militia tank and good tactics like attacking from the rear
According to him the only want to tank is out in the open facing each other and you guys dont start shooting until the count of three |
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