This thread just keeps getting better and better!

So long as that week all vehicles are reduced to <1500 HP (including maxed out plates and extenders), with no damage reduction and full damage from small arms fire.

The grass is always greener.

This. Why it took until page 9? Who knows.... It should have been post #2 or #3.

Speaking of early post starting with the original.


Even skills with a 1x multiplier require over 300k SP to go from zero to level 5. Grenadier last I checked was a 4x, never-mind the prerequisites needed in Explosives and Weaponry.

You really should be grateful that the SP investments for Turrets is so much less than Weaponry. Soon as the spare SP is around I plan on getting my LAV BPO missile turret related skills to 5s. A total steal just for just over 600k SP.

*HEAD EXPLODES*

I'll say it again: weaponry 3, light weapon operation 3, swarm operation 3. How many times must I say that 'Haywire' is the Aurum variant? No level 5, no proficiency, no explosives, no grenadier. Just level 3. I didn't include weaponry 5 because I have it to 5 for forge guns and at that moment didn't want to look for a 1x skill I had to level 3.

'Haywire' Wiyrkomis are pathetically cheap.

if thats your problem then your fit is just bad

17 pages over something that could have been settled in one page. geez..

LOWER THE DAMN PRICE ON TANKS. You will see more tanks on the field and IT WILL KILL ANY ARGUMENT BY HAV DRIVERS AS TO WHY THEY SHOULDN'T DIE. NO MORE TANK QQ THREADS.

translation: dust tanks are meant to be **** and strong tanks will not exist.

*Rubs hands*

So first of you want to limit the majority of av to heavy? Why? Av weaponry already has drawbacks and you want to limit it further?

Too easy to solo if you know what you're doing.

Prescicly anti-tank tanks! Drop the supply depot and the only way for use to that is die!!

Double standards again. Solo dropsuits should then be complete **** like us and dropsuit with a crew should be awesome.

so dieing 5-10 times in a single game is god mode. i would hate to think what normal mode is

also infantry use far more teamwork than tankers do, how do you think we capture null cannons from the enemy, you know the pointy buildings that shoot missiles into the air at the mcc that only infantry can capture and actually win the fight. while you are off in your tank just mowing down anything that moves.

You don't tank.

You have no idea what it's like to see a third of your armor melt away from one volley of PRO swarms. You don't know what it's like to see a third of your armor melt away from one packed Lai Dai.

You don't tank. Stop thinking you know how they're supposed to work.

It takes less than 300,000 SP to get Haywire Wiyrkomis. Fact

You don't know what it's like to have to deal with blue dots that want to get in your tank for half a battle. They get indignant that you won't give them anything to shoot at.

You don't tank.

So what do they do? They shoot your tank. They melee it. They shoot it some more. They throw grenades at it. They shoot it some more. They get back in the turret. They shoot the turret. They switch seats if they're the only other one in it. They switch seats rapidly in hopes of getting the driver's seat. They jump out and shoot the tank again. They punch the tank again. They get back in the tank and fire the turrets at nothing.

Every installation counts as a direct threat to us. I remember during Chromosome, I forgot which skill it was, that at level 5, caused turrets to not shoot at you when you ran towards them. That obviously did not work when in a vehicle.

We don't have ADV or PRO vehicles.

Driver and main turret operation cannot be split up, because we do not rely on blue dots. The culmination of however good any of us are is the direct result of observing how blue dots are, which is useless, and knowing who in our squad we can rely on. We use the terrain to our advantage. We use range to our advantage. We use the time it takes to reload to our advantage. We use speed to our advantage.

I absolutely will not rely on a blue dot I do not know to man my turret, because I'll be damned if I'm going to let a random drive my tank. Splitting operation would be the absolute worst thing CCP could do for tanking, and would destroy it completely. As a result, most tanks would probably biomass their character and either start going full infantry, or just never play this game again.

You don't tank. You don't have experience tanking.

MLT hull and modules =/= STD hull and modules.

What happened when everybody complained about contact grenades. They got nerfed into the ground. Next time a tanker complains about AV grenades, make sure you remember what I said about infantry contact grenades.

Double standards

Contact grenades are/were the only thing that homed in on infantry. We have to worry about swarm launchers, which track us for 400m before automatically terminating. When they hit, they hit hard, really hard. Wiyrkomis hit for around 7000 damage against armor before having to reload, if all 3 volleys hit.

Contact grenades got nerfed. AV grenades haven't.

Terrain damages vehicles. Not so much anymore for infantry.

Next time another non-pilot makes a thread about tanks, whatever it may be, remember this thread.

You don't have the experience we have. It's actually quite easy to destroy us, if you know how to do it, and considering the complaints on here about tanks, only a sad few actually know how to destroy us. If it takes a tanker to write out how to destroy us, you're doing it wrong now, you did it wrong before, and you'll probably continue to do it wrong until you reach that eureka moment, when you and 2 people beside you destroy a tank in 3 seconds. Until then, you'll vainly try to solo the best tankers in the game.

Also, the huge majority of us are in skirmish and domination, not ambush. When you say "tank" and "ambush" in the same sentence, I want you to take a few minutes and think really hard before posting a reply / threat with those words in the same sentence. The guys that habitually tank in ambush are the ones worried about KD/R. The rest of us just want to win and kill a few infantry along the way.

You don't tank.

I've heard that those who tank in ambush, do poorly when it comes to skirmish / domination / faction warfare / planetary conquest, because they don't have to worry about much in ambush. In the other modes, they have to worry about the world trying to kill them.

Remember what I said before you complain about tanks. We not only have to deal with your PRO gear, we have to deal with stupid blue dots as well.

Late Edit:

This is what happens when you shoot a tank with a rifle. Remember that.

too easy for a tank to solo if you know what your doing

do tankers not realise they are in a suit, inside a tank.

I tank...

and I still think you're wrong...

here's why...

Your tank is for infantry support and tanks need to be supported.

If you choose to use your tank as a solo "i win button" then your bound to lose your ****.

also... WHINE WHINE WHINE....

I lose 5 proto suits in a match, it cost me more than a tank... yet i'm not here whining cos my expensive stuff isn't invincible.

Nearly everyone who posts about buffing tanks and how unfair it is that swarms kill you so easily, does understand this is NOT a solo game, is it a co-op game.

My advice... get some buddies...

I do however think there is something wrong when one grunt can kill a tank... unless it's me doing it.

p.s. your fits are **** if you take that much damage... just saying, doesn't happen to me and Rainbow Dash online is that way ->

Will it make you happier when we start spec'ing into the pilot suit to make our vehicles stronger? Or would that be OP?

yes it will make me happier. then we will really have something to have your tanks nerfed for

notice in that question, you didn't say anything about the question being specific to tanks or anything, so your basically asking why should proto infantry have more power over militia? just because they spent more isk and SP? according to you, that's not balanced.

like I said, according to you, everything including infantry equipment should be on the same level of militia gear, even though it costs more isk and SP to use.

but look at that prototype is far superior to militia gear in every way & it costs more isk and SP to use it.

your point is invalid under this fact.

Why do you want preplanning,....................and SP nerfed?

corrected that for you. you seem to lack the necessary requirements for that suit

I love that you're implying that a prototype suit is as hard to kill as a well stocked tank. Prototype suits are killed all the time by random grenades that are thrown or getting unlucky and pinned by a blueberry that just happened to see them reloading. This doesn't happen to tanks. A prototype suit has maybe double the health of a regular blueberry while a tank has easily 10 times the health. Also, blueberries have to take out a specific class to hurt a tank. They are perfectly equipped to deal with pro to suits with their default classes. This counterargument is just hilarious. He's basically saying that 200,000 ISK worth of power is just unbalanced as 2m ISK worth of power.

Why are you complaining? You're not taking ~2000 worth of damage from a single grenade, or ~2500 worth of damage from a single volley / round, or 3000 from a Wiyrkomi breach (though some use it as anti infantry). You really just don't have anything to complain about. CCP is trying to attract and retain new players. I think it's entirely in their right to give new players as many things as possible to try to retain them. If you don't think that should be the case, then you could find something else to play. After all, the survivability of this game isn't on your head.

We've said time and time again, we still manage to survive, flourish and even get infantry angry because even after so many consecutive tank nerfs, and so many parallel AV buffs, you all still find it incredibly difficult to kill us.

So I don't know what you're trying to say by removing the word intelligence, but if anybody is lacking it, it's infantry.

Is he seriously trying to compare a heavily armoured vehicle to an infantry man?

Mirage you are using your own argument to prove yourself wrong!

You said everything nerfed was because it killed us, so why would stuff get buffed, you don't seem to understand balance otherwise you would not have made that point in the first place! The lasers sight was more of a boon than a buff true.

But it also was only nerfed at the proto level.
There is plenty of teamwork in FW you have to put in an effort to achieve it, its not some majical power, its thinking what will benifit my team more, overwatch while he hacks or having greedy hacking points for myself.

You said everything nerfed was because it killed us, so why would stuff get buffed

Why are you complaining? You're not taking ~2000 worth of damage from a single grenade, or ~2500 worth of damage from a single volley / round, or 3000 from a Wiyrkomi breach (though some use it as anti infantry). You really just don't have anything to complain about. CCP is trying to attract and retain new players. I think it's entirely in their right to give new players as many things as possible to try to retain them. If you don't think that should be the case, then you could find something else to play. After all, the survivability of this game isn't on your head.