This thread is a waste of data.

Don't put words in my mouth please! You said you want a tank to be a "tank", if that were the case then I would expect anti-tank weaponry to be "anti-tank"

You need to think about how your idea of a tank will shape the battlefield, because it sounds like you want an unbeatable trump card!!

You don't tank.

You have no idea what it's like to see a third of your armor melt away from one volley of PRO swarms. You don't know what it's like to see a third of your armor melt away from one packed Lai Dai.

You don't tank. Stop thinking you know how they're supposed to work.

It takes less than 300,000 SP to get Haywire Wiyrkomis. Fact

You don't know what it's like to have to deal with blue dots that want to get in your tank for half a battle. They get indignant that you won't give them anything to shoot at.

You don't tank.

So what do they do? They shoot your tank. They melee it. They shoot it some more. They throw grenades at it. They shoot it some more. They get back in the turret. They shoot the turret. They switch seats if they're the only other one in it. They switch seats rapidly in hopes of getting the driver's seat. They jump out and shoot the tank again. They punch the tank again. They get back in the tank and fire the turrets at nothing.

Every installation counts as a direct threat to us. I remember during Chromosome, I forgot which skill it was, that at level 5, caused turrets to not shoot at you when you ran towards them. That obviously did not work when in a vehicle.

We don't have ADV or PRO vehicles.

Driver and main turret operation cannot be split up, because we do not rely on blue dots. The culmination of however good any of us are is the direct result of observing how blue dots are, which is useless, and knowing who in our squad we can rely on. We use the terrain to our advantage. We use range to our advantage. We use the time it takes to reload to our advantage. We use speed to our advantage.

I absolutely will not rely on a blue dot I do not know to man my turret, because I'll be damned if I'm going to let a random drive my tank. Splitting operation would be the absolute worst thing CCP could do for tanking, and would destroy it completely. As a result, most tanks would probably biomass their character and either start going full infantry, or just never play this game again.

You don't tank. You don't have experience tanking.

MLT hull and modules =/= STD hull and modules.

What happened when everybody complained about contact grenades. They got nerfed into the ground. Next time a tanker complains about AV grenades, make sure you remember what I said about infantry contact grenades.

Double standards

Contact grenades are/were the only thing that homed in on infantry. We have to worry about swarm launchers, which track us for 400m before automatically terminating. When they hit, they hit hard, really hard. Wiyrkomis hit for around 7000 damage against armor before having to reload, if all 3 volleys hit.

Contact grenades got nerfed. AV grenades haven't.

Terrain damages vehicles. Not so much anymore for infantry.

Next time another non-pilot makes a thread about tanks, whatever it may be, remember this thread.

You don't have the experience we have. It's actually quite easy to destroy us, if you know how to do it, and considering the complaints on here about tanks, only a sad few actually know how to destroy us. If it takes a tanker to write out how to destroy us, you're doing it wrong now, you did it wrong before, and you'll probably continue to do it wrong until you reach that eureka moment, when you and 2 people beside you destroy a tank in 3 seconds. Until then, you'll vainly try to solo the best tankers in the game.

Also, the huge majority of us are in skirmish and domination, not ambush. When you say "tank" and "ambush" in the same sentence, I want you to take a few minutes and think really hard before posting a reply / threat with those words in the same sentence. The guys that habitually tank in ambush are the ones worried about KD/R. The rest of us just want to win and kill a few infantry along the way.

You don't tank.

I've heard that those who tank in ambush, do poorly when it comes to skirmish / domination / faction warfare / planetary conquest, because they don't have to worry about much in ambush. In the other modes, they have to worry about the world trying to kill them.

Remember what I said before you complain about tanks. We not only have to deal with your PRO gear, we have to deal with stupid blue dots as well.

Late Edit:

This is what happens when you shoot a tank with a rifle. Remember that.

=/=

Is it wrong saying it should require teamwork to take down a tank? Or have another tank available that could take advantage of a weakness? Yeah, I laugh when I see enforcers on the field, but when I see them using a turret they get their bonus too, I worry a bit. Falchion with XT-201 accelerated? I'll keep it back with a railgun. Vayu with scattered ion cannon? Same thing, railgun.

Christ, you put up a petition to have tanks removed! You're as biased as they get.

Anything else?

Lol

I want challenges. I like challenges. What you seem to want is for tanks to be made so weak that one volley of ADV swarms could destroy it, just like that. I'm fighting to prevent more nerfs to tanks. You're fighting in favor of more nerfs. Tankers have adapted through over a year of nerfs, while AV have continued to complain through over a year of various buffs.

If they were that vulnerable, we wouldn't be using them in the Middle East.

Why are you so afraid of tanks? You're given incredibly effective and easy to use tools to take care of them, yet you still complain and seem scared. Why are you scared?

Ishukone AFG Meta 8 Base DPS 756

80GJ Regulated Particle Cannon Meta 8 Base DPS 799 (Damage/Fire interval)

Soooo like I said, lets talk about that disparity...

you couldn't be more wrong. i want tanks. just not the solo god like killing machines that you want. and why should it take a team to take out a tank that can solo. that is not balance. thats as one sided as it gets.

if it took 3 people to operate the tank and 3 people to take it out then thats an acceptable balance.

To non-AV guys making vehicle threads:

You don't AV.

You have no idea what it's like to see a third of your PRO swarms swerve into hillsides or simply vanish on the way to a target. You don't know what it's like to see a third of your Lai Dai throws "miss" because their guidance systems aren't as reliable as some tankers assume.

You don't AV. Stop thinking you know how it's supposed to work.

It takes less than 300,000 SP to get a Sica which takes more than 3 Haywire Wiyrkomis. Fact

You don't know what it's like to have to deal with blue dots that want to jump in front of every Swarm volley you fire. They get indignant that you won't use an AR like they do.

You don't AV.

So what do they do? They park LAVs in your path. They melee you when you're lining up a shot. They make you think you're taking fire and panic-launch Swarms on the wrong angle. They throw grenades at you. They shoot you some more. They run you over in their LAVs to prove they can teamkill.

Every weapon but a Swarm Launcher counts as a direct threat to us. I remember during every build, seeing AV guys dying to ARs, Shotguns, Sniper Rifles on a regular basis. That obviously did not happen when in a vehicle.

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You can't, as a pure tanker, tell the full story of how vehicle vs. AV should work, because you're biased. You've only played one side. Yes, the opinions of tankers, Dropship pilots, and legitimate NON-MURDER TAXI LAV drivers are valid and important. But so are the experiences of the grenadiers, Swarm guys and Forge Gunners who hunt those vehicles down.

Way back in E3, when tanks were arguably at their most powerful, and inarguably at their cheapest (with SIcas and Somas being handed out LITERALLY FOR FREE), I started out as an AV player. I ran Swarm Launchers, and I got pretty good with them. Back then, you could use Swarms for anti-infantry - they could be dumbfired and would explode on impact. No homing against anything but vehicles, but they were still a credible threat. I rarely used them in that way, preferring to save my limited ammo supply and switch to my trusty SMG when confronted with a soft target. I was, as an AV player, interested in the discussions of vehicle vs. AV balance, and I said my piece from what I believed was a well-reasoned perspective. I forget who it was, but someone made a thread much like this one, and I thought about it quite a lot. I created an alt, and I got into tanking for myself. I learned to drive (and I still want the optional L2/R2 LAV scheme on tanks, because shoving it all on the sticks is a horrible idea) and I learned to build a tank. I've sat and watched as Shield Tanks went from underpowered to overpowered and back, as Missile Turrets were broken OP, then "fixed" via nerfing everything at once until they stop doing anything, then fixed into moderate usefulness again. I know that vehicles and AV both need work, and I know this from experience on BOTH sides of the argument, not just one.

There are too many people on both sides of this problem who seem to think CCP can fix everything by only addressing one side. They can't. We need more tankers who are willing to listen to the AV guys, and we need more AV guys who realise that vehicles pilots/drivers know what we're doing too.

Can't we all just get along?

You seem to be a bit temperamental about this whole subject.

I could take what you just said about tanks and apply it to Heavies. Actually, I can't because Heavies can't really even take a lot more damage than a Med. Class Suit. We have a the HMG, which is actually worse than an Exile.

They're called heavies for a reason.

What disparity between the Large Railgun and the FG?

Assault FG - 2 Second Charge Time

Rail Turret - .08 Second charge time.

Assault FG - 4 Shots per clip, 4 reloads max.

Rail Turret - infinite

Assault FG - Carried by very slow, very large, easy to hit target with HP comparable to suits smaller than it's class. Can be killed by 95% of the players on the field in less than 2 seconds even Militia noobs.

Rail Turret - Carried by a TANK! Thousands of HP, requires multiple, fully dedicated AVers working in coordination to even suppress for a momentary respite.

So, yea, lets talk about that disparity.

It seems the "tankers" want to go back to the supertanker days during closed beta. Sorry tanks have always been vulnerable to a single person with a RPG. LIke always.

HAHAHA... Oh man, Dude you even read at what you post? You played FPS games dude? Socom has a HUGE Following. You think they went down cause they had a small fan base? LOL

SOCOM- PS4. Bet on it.

Now here's another lobby fps game, that tripped itself cause it forgot what legs it stands itself on. Can you say Niche?

When I saw this I felt like I had to chime in
You do know that a RPG 29 developed in the 80s can still damage the armor of an M1 Abrams tank and kill and wound crew members inside the tank right
As for why do we still use them, well against small arms fire what can you really say is better and in those situations we dont send our tanks alone they go with full infantry support in the event that the enemy does have infantry held anti tank weapons

In short, QQ moar, learn to drive and stop leaving your teammates behind to be a glory hound
Ive run across some tankers, hell brand new ones in militia tanks even, that know to stick close to a squad providing a wall of cover and fire support while we do our thing and watch his back against anyone trying to sneak up with some grenades or scan the roof tops for anyone trying to get the drop with a swarm or forge

Scratch our back and we will scratch yours, whine at us and charge off alone we will let you die just like you should let someone die if he decides he doesnt need the fire support and runs off by himself

To non-AV guys making vehicle threads:

You don't AV.

You have no idea what it's like to see a third of your PRO swarms swerve into hillsides or simply vanish on the way to a target. You don't know what it's like to see a third of your Lai Dai throws "miss" because their guidance systems aren't as reliable as some tankers assume.

You don't AV. Stop thinking you know how it's supposed to work.

It takes less than 300,000 SP to get a Sica which takes more than 3 Haywire Wiyrkomis. Fact

You don't know what it's like to have to deal with blue dots that want to jump in front of every Swarm volley you fire. They get indignant that you won't use an AR like they do.

You don't AV.

So what do they do? They park LAVs in your path. They melee you when you're lining up a shot. They make you think you're taking fire and panic-launch Swarms on the wrong angle. They throw grenades at you. They shoot you some more. They run you over in their LAVs to prove they can teamkill.

Every weapon but a Swarm Launcher counts as a direct threat to us. I remember during every build, seeing AV guys dying to ARs, Shotguns, Sniper Rifles on a regular basis. That obviously did not happen when in a vehicle.

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You can't, as a pure tanker, tell the full story of how vehicle vs. AV should work, because you're biased. You've only played one side. Yes, the opinions of tankers, Dropship pilots, and legitimate NON-MURDER TAXI LAV drivers are valid and important. But so are the experiences of the grenadiers, Swarm guys and Forge Gunners who hunt those vehicles down.

Way back in E3, when tanks were arguably at their most powerful, and inarguably at their cheapest (with SIcas and Somas being handed out LITERALLY FOR FREE), I started out as an AV player. I ran Swarm Launchers, and I got pretty good with them. Back then, you could use Swarms for anti-infantry - they could be dumbfired and would explode on impact. No homing against anything but vehicles, but they were still a credible threat. I rarely used them in that way, preferring to save my limited ammo supply and switch to my trusty SMG when confronted with a soft target. I was, as an AV player, interested in the discussions of vehicle vs. AV balance, and I said my piece from what I believed was a well-reasoned perspective. I forget who it was, but someone made a thread much like this one, and I thought about it quite a lot. I created an alt, and I got into tanking for myself. I learned to drive (and I still want the optional L2/R2 LAV scheme on tanks, because shoving it all on the sticks is a horrible idea) and I learned to build a tank. I've sat and watched as Shield Tanks went from underpowered to overpowered and back, as Missile Turrets were broken OP, then "fixed" via nerfing everything at once until they stop doing anything, then fixed into moderate usefulness again. I know that vehicles and AV both need work, and I know this from experience on BOTH sides of the argument, not just one.

There are too many people on both sides of this problem who seem to think CCP can fix everything by only addressing one side. They can't. We need more tankers who are willing to listen to the AV guys, and we need more AV guys who realise that vehicles pilots/drivers know what we're doing too.

Can't we all just get along?

mmmmmmmmm there you go :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67-fLCF3AY4

And that a old tank .... old P.O.S soviet era tank .

I just thought I'd blow your mind in showing you that ...... one RPG DOES NOT..... destroy the tank.

I keep seeing people say that on here and laugh .

Keep fighting each other to make the game worse than it already is .



Didn't we learn anything from the mag forums?

Here's the most ill-informed infantryman replying to a tank thread.

To non-AV guys making vehicle threads:

You don't AV.

You have no idea what it's like to see a third of your PRO swarms swerve into hillsides or simply vanish on the way to a target. You don't know what it's like to see a third of your Lai Dai throws "miss" because their guidance systems aren't as reliable as some tankers assume.

You don't AV. Stop thinking you know how it's supposed to work.

It takes less than 300,000 SP to get a Sica which takes more than 3 Haywire Wiyrkomis. Fact

You don't know what it's like to have to deal with blue dots that want to jump in front of every Swarm volley you fire. They get indignant that you won't use an AR like they do.

You don't AV.

So what do they do? They park LAVs in your path. They melee you when you're lining up a shot. They make you think you're taking fire and panic-launch Swarms on the wrong angle. They throw grenades at you. They shoot you some more. They run you over in their LAVs to prove they can teamkill.

Every weapon but a Swarm Launcher counts as a direct threat to us. I remember during every build, seeing AV guys dying to ARs, Shotguns, Sniper Rifles on a regular basis. That obviously did not happen when in a vehicle.

---

You can't, as a pure tanker, tell the full story of how vehicle vs. AV should work, because you're biased. You've only played one side. Yes, the opinions of tankers, Dropship pilots, and legitimate NON-MURDER TAXI LAV drivers are valid and important. But so are the experiences of the grenadiers, Swarm guys and Forge Gunners who hunt those vehicles down.

Way back in E3, when tanks were arguably at their most powerful, and inarguably at their cheapest (with SIcas and Somas being handed out LITERALLY FOR FREE), I started out as an AV player. I ran Swarm Launchers, and I got pretty good with them. Back then, you could use Swarms for anti-infantry - they could be dumbfired and would explode on impact. No homing against anything but vehicles, but they were still a credible threat. I rarely used them in that way, preferring to save my limited ammo supply and switch to my trusty SMG when confronted with a soft target. I was, as an AV player, interested in the discussions of vehicle vs. AV balance, and I said my piece from what I believed was a well-reasoned perspective. I forget who it was, but someone made a thread much like this one, and I thought about it quite a lot. I created an alt, and I got into tanking for myself. I learned to drive (and I still want the optional L2/R2 LAV scheme on tanks, because shoving it all on the sticks is a horrible idea) and I learned to build a tank. I've sat and watched as Shield Tanks went from underpowered to overpowered and back, as Missile Turrets were broken OP, then "fixed" via nerfing everything at once until they stop doing anything, then fixed into moderate usefulness again. I know that vehicles and AV both need work, and I know this from experience on BOTH sides of the argument, not just one.

There are too many people on both sides of this problem who seem to think CCP can fix everything by only addressing one side. They can't. We need more tankers who are willing to listen to the AV guys, and we need more AV guys who realise that vehicles pilots/drivers know what we're doing too.

Can't we all just get along?

Anything else?

It seems the "tankers" want to go back to the supertanker days during closed beta. Sorry tanks have always been vulnerable to a single person with a RPG. LIke always.

SOCOM has a huge following? Really? Half of it died out.

=/=

Is it wrong saying it should require teamwork to take down a tank? Or have another tank available that could take advantage of a weakness? Yeah, I laugh when I see enforcers on the field, but when I see them using a turret they get their bonus too, I worry a bit. Falchion with XT-201 accelerated? I'll keep it back with a railgun. Vayu with scattered ion cannon? Same thing, railgun.

Christ, you put up a petition to have tanks removed! You're as biased as they get.

Have you read any of the threads made by people that don't tank? That would be like us telling you how your dropsuits, weapons and equipment work. "It takes too long for me to kill you with my STD blaster, therefore your HP should be lowered, or extenders should be lowered." It just doesn't work that way. You're not going to be using a tank when the vehicle balance pass comes, so why do you care?

Is it wrong saying it should require teamwork to take down a tank?

delta you have obviously never played bf3 they are NOT that weak in it