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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:00:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
There is no oasis for vehicle vs vehicle, so why should there be for infantry vs infantry?
RED LINE
Wait, so I have to redline snipe? You've gotten inline with Luki. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
848
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:02:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:I think his roast is ready Then we have the whole community of tankers here cying all day. Ok, thats something for me to entretain myself while at work....And then we have Godin.That thinks hes so damn smart and funny, -+ of the stuff he posts are troll posts like this one yet he still thinks people pay attention to him.STOP POSTING UNCONTRUCTIVE STUFF.Poor , godin :3
I don't need your opinion or pity for my witty and sarcastic comments thank you. |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
161
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:08:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Void Echo wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:God tankers are so bitchy its funny. Here's the thing yes a tank should be this massive asset on the field for the team, not for 1 guy. Tankers want their cake and to eat it too. They want to be this massive influence on the field SOLO. One guy should not be able to wipe out everyone around him uncontested just because he spent more isk than the next guy. This just leads to everyone running tanks because its the only viable thing. If you want to run a tank solo it has to be only slightly stronger than a solo merc, and I say slightly stronger due to the fact they cost so much. If you want a true tank, a killing machine on the level of the M1 abrams you are going to have to multicrew your tank. This means driver only drives, gunner only shoots, and support gunners only run support guns. The more complex and team based a tank is the more powerful it can be due to the fact it requires more people to be effective.
So by that meaning if you want to run a solo tank expect it to be paper thin, if you want a strong tank expect to have to run a crew of people. This is balance and this is fair. translation: dust tanks are meant to be **** and strong tanks will not exist. my translation : solo tanks are meant to be **** and tanks with a crew should be awesome Lets chop your dropsuits into three as well! You control the legs, one person does the equipment, and another does the guns! I mean it's fair right? You paid for that suit so that all these other guys could get free rides doing whatever they feel! So while you move the suit toward the combat zone guy 2 thinks your too slow so he drops your nano hives and grenades to "lighten the load" while the guy on the gun is swinging back and forth taking pot shots and using ammo without regard for supply. But that doesn't matter cause its now balanced with tanks! Congratulations! Your suit is now officially useless for general use! Bah gotta love people who want tanks to be killing machines without any form of balance, just rolling death boxes of metal. Heres the thing, I want tanks to be powerful, more powerful than they were in chromesome, but there needs to be a trade off. And the trade off is just like in planetside 1 you have a driver and a gunner. The driver drives the tank the gunner is in charge of assessing threats and taking out targets. More guns (since our tanks have 3) = more gunners. so 1 driver and 3 gunners. No matter how much you tankers want to say that the tank is your suit, its not its an extra layer of armor,shielding, and even makes you move faster than a regular infantry soldier. If one tank piloted by one person is able to wipe out the enitre other team, unless that entire team pulls out AV equipment, that is highly unbalanced in favor of the tank. Considering a RPG, which is just a grenade on the end of a rocket, is able to take out an M1 abrams, the most advanced tank in the world, just by hitting it in the treads your idea that a tank should have no worry from lone infantry is totally invalid. Give a tank a minimum of 2 to be effective 1 driver and 1 gunner and you can have the tanks that are monsters on the battlefield. But get this idea out of your head that just because you decided to skill into tanks you should get 4 times more armor, 3 times more sheild, the ability to self repair at a much higher rate, and much higher dps that can damage both structure and infantry. Tanks have to be balanced against both their complexity and their cost, right now yes they are very weak but at the same time they are still slightly stronger than even 1 infantry in proto gear without AV, and if they have AV they are ****** against infantry. You kind of swerved in and out of the topic there. Planetside vehicles can be split amongst multiple people because the vehicles don't cost personal investment. Rather they are made with combat points. If tanks in dust could be created with mere points instead of ISK that solution would make sense, but these are personal investments.
Also, that bizarre tale of requiring 3 people to run a dropsuit and how they react... Is day to day reality as tanks stand now. I merely placed common infantry terms in place of the suggested equipment and gunner roles. The fact you thought the separation idea was an extremist viewpoint just because it says "infantry" instead of "tanks" speaks loads about your views. But it also says quite a lot about being overly eager to jump to conclusions, as a 3 part tank system would be worthless in regular battle and force the tankers to pull friends or corp mates into each battle with them or else have a completely useless investment.
Now, if there was a different class of tank that required 3 people that might be interesting, but so far tanks are advertised as singular control units. |
Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San EoN.
37
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:11:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:You don't tank.
You have no idea what it's like to see a third of your armor melt away from one volley of PRO swarms. You don't know what it's like to see a third of your armor melt away from one packed Lai Dai.
You F*CKING KIDDING? TRY F*CKING flyinga dropship and just see what happens when the same weapon hits your ship once. You die. immediately... stfu |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:11:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
There is no oasis for vehicle vs vehicle, so why should there be for infantry vs infantry?
RED LINE Wait, so I have to redline snipe? You've gotten inline with Luki.
LOL no broski.
I've seen good tankers , like in manus peak near A Null cannon move around in circles between A and C,assoon as thy feel endangered they just retreat to the red line to repair/recall thei vehicle.THIS has NO COUNTER, there by, its your safe oasis.
BTW , so many tankers here i have a question on my sucky tanking: Is putting a light shield regenerator too scrubby on an armored based tank? |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
850
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:12:00 -
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Xaviah Reaper wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:You don't tank.
You have no idea what it's like to see a third of your armor melt away from one volley of PRO swarms. You don't know what it's like to see a third of your armor melt away from one packed Lai Dai. You F*CKING KIDDING? TRY F*CKING flyinga dropship and just see what happens when the same weapon hits your ship once. You die. immediately... stfu
We know. I wonder why DS's haven't gotten buffed yet..... |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:12:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:I think his roast is ready Then we have the whole community of tankers here cying all day. Ok, thats something for me to entretain myself while at work....And then we have Godin.That thinks hes so damn smart and funny, -+ of the stuff he posts are troll posts like this one yet he still thinks people pay attention to him.STOP POSTING UNCONTRUCTIVE STUFF.Poor , godin :3 I don't need your opinion or pity for my witty and sarcastic comments thank you.
THe fact you think you are being witty makes me sad thou...
Yeah DS need buff. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
852
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:15:00 -
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Xaviah Reaper wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:You don't tank.
You have no idea what it's like to see a third of your armor melt away from one volley of PRO swarms. You don't know what it's like to see a third of your armor melt away from one packed Lai Dai. You F*CKING KIDDING? TRY F*CKING flyinga dropship and just see what happens when the same weapon hits your ship once. You die. immediately... stfu I"m a gunner in a derpship often enough to know how screwed they are. But, I did specifically mention tanks, not vehicles. No need to be angry with me. |
KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:19:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Xaviah Reaper wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:You don't tank.
You have no idea what it's like to see a third of your armor melt away from one volley of PRO swarms. You don't know what it's like to see a third of your armor melt away from one packed Lai Dai. You F*CKING KIDDING? TRY F*CKING flyinga dropship and just see what happens when the same weapon hits your ship once. You die. immediately... stfu I"m a gunner in a derpship often enough to know how screwed they are. But, I did specifically mention tanks, not vehicles. No need to be angry with me.
Its a good lesson...DS are truly UP and i dont see as many posts about them as tankers.....
OP- At the moment there is nothing OP IN MY OPINION. Powerful -FG's,Swarms,ARs , Grenades Good-Scrambler rifles,TAnks,LaVs,etc... LAcking-HMG , FLaylocks,Plasma cannons,scouts,heavies... UP.Commandos and Derpships.
Know the difference. |
Void Echo
Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium
1500
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:19:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
There is no oasis for vehicle vs vehicle, so why should there be for infantry vs infantry?
RED LINE Wait, so I have to redline snipe? You've gotten inline with Luki. LOL no broski. I've seen good tankers , like in manus peak near A Null cannon move around in circles between A and C,assoon as thy feel endangered they just retreat to the red line to repair/recall thei vehicle.THIS has NO COUNTER, there by, its your safe oasis. BTW , so many tankers here i have a question on my sucky tanking:Is putting a light shield regenerator too scrubby on an armored based tank?
the recall system is TANKERS counter to you AV. |
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
850
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:19:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
There is no oasis for vehicle vs vehicle, so why should there be for infantry vs infantry?
RED LINE Wait, so I have to redline snipe? You've gotten inline with Luki. LOL no broski. I've seen good tankers , like in manus peak near A Null cannon move around in circles between A and C,assoon as thy feel endangered they just retreat to the red line to repair/recall thei vehicle.THIS has NO COUNTER, there by, its your safe oasis. BTW , so many tankers here i have a question on my sucky tanking:Is putting a light shield regenerator too scrubby on an armored based tank?
1: You swerved my response. First off, good pilots don't recall unless they're changing fits. Second off, recalling after fighting infantry in the redline is not what I said; I said fighting VEHICLES.
2: Dipshit, I'm not your brother.
3: That's a horrible idea. For one, those things are ****, and second, it won't help you like a scanner, nitro, heat sink, or DCU will.
4: There's no other kind of armor based HAV other than Gallente atm, so call it Gallente. It'll make you look smarter, and you really need the help, as you are looking pretty ******* stupid. |
KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:20:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:
the recall system is TANKERS counter to you AV.
So when tanks get buffed you are saying you are ok with removing this feature? you know, for balance sake?...
I know your answer,i just want to hear it from your lips.....
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
850
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:21:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Xaviah Reaper wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:You don't tank.
You have no idea what it's like to see a third of your armor melt away from one volley of PRO swarms. You don't know what it's like to see a third of your armor melt away from one packed Lai Dai. You F*CKING KIDDING? TRY F*CKING flyinga dropship and just see what happens when the same weapon hits your ship once. You die. immediately... stfu I"m a gunner in a derpship often enough to know how screwed they are. But, I did specifically mention tanks, not vehicles. No need to be angry with me. Its a good lesson...DS are truly UP and i dont see as many posts about them as tankers..... OP- At the moment there is nothing OP IN MY OPINION. Powerful -FG's,Swarms,ARs , Grenades Good-Scrambler rifles,TAnks,LaVs,etc... LAcking-HMG , FLaylocks,Plasma cannons,scouts,heavies... UP.Commandos and Derpships. Know the difference.
Because most pilots gave up on them ever balancing DS's for the most part, as they've been broken and halfway useless for over a year now, and we just stopped asking. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
850
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:23:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Void Echo wrote:
the recall system is TANKERS counter to you AV.
So when tanks get buffed you are saying you are ok with removing this feature? you know, for balance sake?...I know your answer,i just want to hear it from your lips.....
Nope. Changing it so where until the modules cool off, and it will come in with the same health (maybe slightly repped, say 50-100 HP/s for both tanks) as it had when it lefted the ground. |
KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:23:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote: 1: You swerved my response. First off, good pilots don't recall unless they're changing fits. Second off, recalling after fighting infantry in the redline is not what I said; I said fighting VEHICLES. I've seen tankers change tanks up to 6 times in a single match.Just because.....
2: Dipshit, I'm not your brother. Its just internet slang. DOnt need to get riled up. I would be ashamed to have a douche as a brother.
3: That's a horrible idea. For one, those things are ****, and second, it won't help you like a scanner, nitro, heat sink, or DCU will. Well told you i was a sucky tanker. ty for the info
4: There's no other kind of armor based HAV other than Gallente atm, so call it Gallente. It'll make you look smarter, and you really need the help, as you are looking pretty ******* stupid. You seem ok with looking stupid so...... ok.Gallante it is then...
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:24:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Void Echo wrote:
the recall system is TANKERS counter to you AV.
So when tanks get buffed you are saying you are ok with removing this feature? you know, for balance sake?...I know your answer,i just want to hear it from your lips..... Nope. Changing it so where until the modules cool off, and it will come in with the same health (maybe slightly repped, say 50-100 HP/s for both tanks) as it had when it lefted the ground.
You are not Void.
Stop answering question taht are not directed at you.
Attention wh0re much? |
Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San EoN.
37
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:26:00 -
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Its four in the morning here D:< !! im cranky!!!
also a part time troll |
Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San EoN.
38
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:30:00 -
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I have been fighting like crazy for the DS, with many suggestions, and feedback threads. some of my ideas included medium turrets for ADS, and one medium power grid slot for an anti forge/swarm launcher ability at a sacrifice. check it if you support the DS cause :D |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
850
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:30:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote: 1: You swerved my response. First off, good pilots don't recall unless they're changing fits. Second off, recalling after fighting infantry in the redline is not what I said; I said fighting VEHICLES. I've seen tankers change tanks up to 6 times in a single match.Just because.....
2: Dipshit, I'm not your brother. Its just internet slang. DOnt need to get riled up. I would be ashamed to have a douche as a brother.
3: That's a horrible idea. For one, those things are ****, and second, it won't help you like a scanner, nitro, heat sink, or DCU will. Well told you i was a sucky tanker. ty for the info
4: There's no other kind of armor based HAV other than Gallente atm, so call it Gallente. It'll make you look smarter, and you really need the help, as you are looking pretty ******* stupid. You seem ok with looking stupid so...... ok.Gallante it is then...
1: I've done more. Let's see:
1- Calls in mian HAV.
2- Calls in LLV for infantry support
3- switches to vehicle support LLV
4- Calls in spider tank HAV
5- Calls in spider tank Rail HAV
6- Calls in Driver LLV
7- Calls in main HAV
8- Calls in scanner SLAV
9- Calls in main HAV
10- Calls in driver LLV
11- calls in main HAV (apparently I wasn't needed)
And the game ended.
2: You're Amarr dipshit. There's no way we could be brothers.
3: You could've thought that through.
4: Pretty sure I'm the one keeping calm and typing smart and sexy |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
850
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:32:00 -
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Xaviah Reaper wrote:I have been fighting like crazy for the DS, with many suggestions, and feedback threads. some of my ideas included medium turrets for ADS, and one medium power grid slot for an anti forge/swarm launcher ability at a sacrifice. check it if you support the DS cause :D
1: Never seen you, but that's good. At least someone's still trying lol
2: Medium turrets for the ADS would be stupid. Hell no.
3: The countermeasures will be probably high slots if Wolfman goes by what Blam! was designing.
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
850
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:34:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Void Echo wrote:
the recall system is TANKERS counter to you AV.
So when tanks get buffed you are saying you are ok with removing this feature? you know, for balance sake?...I know your answer,i just want to hear it from your lips..... Nope. Changing it so where until the modules cool off, and it will come in with the same health (maybe slightly repped, say 50-100 HP/s for both tanks) as it had when it lefted the ground. You are not Void.
Stop answering question that are not directed at you.
Attention wh0re much?
Wanna try and stop me from answering questions I feel like it? Come at me |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
161
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:36:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Void Echo wrote:
the recall system is TANKERS counter to you AV.
So when tanks get buffed you are saying you are ok with removing this feature? you know, for balance sake?...I know your answer,i just want to hear it from your lips..... Nope. Changing it so where until the modules cool off, and it will come in with the same health (maybe slightly repped, say 50-100 HP/s for both tanks) as it had when it lefted the ground. You are not Void.
Stop answering question that are not directed at you.
Attention wh0re much? You write all your posts with bold stuck on. :/ You don't really have the right to accuse others of being an attention grabber. Even your name is written in caps lock, and not to mention excessively boastful? |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
850
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:51:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Void Echo wrote:
the recall system is TANKERS counter to you AV.
So when tanks get buffed you are saying you are ok with removing this feature? you know, for balance sake?...I know your answer,i just want to hear it from your lips..... Nope. Changing it so where until the modules cool off, and it will come in with the same health (maybe slightly repped, say 50-100 HP/s for both tanks) as it had when it lefted the ground. You are not Void.
Stop answering question that are not directed at you.
Attention wh0re much? You write all your posts with bold stuck on. :/ You don't really have the right to accuse others of being an attention grabber. Even your name is written in caps lock, and not to mention excessively boastful?
Ikr? He calls me an attention *****, yet ignores himself. such a shame....... |
Void Echo
Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium
1501
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:52:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Void Echo wrote:
the recall system is TANKERS counter to you AV.
So when tanks get buffed you are saying you are ok with removing this feature? you know, for balance sake?...I know your answer,i just want to hear it from your lips.....
no, because you infantry can still switch out your dropsuits in battle. |
KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:53:00 -
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NAh as i already exposed to the community scrubs several times, i use bald because i have poor eyesight and i needto find my posts faster. thats all.
Edit: And you cant stop me. |
KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:54:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Void Echo wrote:
the recall system is TANKERS counter to you AV.
So when tanks get buffed you are saying you are ok with removing this feature? you know, for balance sake?...I know your answer,i just want to hear it from your lips..... no, because you infantry can still switch out your dropsuits in battle.
In a supply depo.Not everywhere in the map. That can and most of the times gets destroyed.
Give vehicles a stationary hangar to change vehicles so i can destroy it then........ |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
850
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:58:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Void Echo wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Void Echo wrote:
the recall system is TANKERS counter to you AV.
So when tanks get buffed you are saying you are ok with removing this feature? you know, for balance sake?...I know your answer,i just want to hear it from your lips..... no, because you infantry can still switch out your dropsuits in battle. In a supply depo.Not everywhere in the map. That can and most of the times gets destroyed.
Give vehicles a stationary hangar to change vehicles so i can destroy it then........
If make right, it will have the same or more HP than a CRU. Good luck with that. |
KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.09.23 04:00:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:
If make right, it will have the same or more HP than a CRU. Good luck with that.
No, because its the Equivalent of a SUPPLY DEPO, not a CRU.
So no, it would be equivalent OR barely stronger tahn a Supply depo. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
850
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Posted - 2013.09.23 04:04:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
If make right, it will have the same or more HP than a CRU. Good luck with that.
No, because its the Equivalent of a SUPPLY DEPO, not a CRU.
So no, it would be equivalent OR barely stronger tahn a Supply depo.
It would be a giant building with a landing pad on top with machinery inside to take apart and put vehicles together, and even make them. Do you really think they would only put enough plating and shielding to cover a installation that infantry use to store equipment and ammo? Go home, you're drunk again. |
Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San EoN.
39
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Posted - 2013.09.23 04:04:00 -
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The commando suit is not UP, its just a specialised suit like an assault suit. it requires care and placement like a scout. fit an NT511 and a gek/duvolle and stay at sniping distance, and you should be okay. its useful as it allows you to cqb snipe with your squad on the ground opposed to in the mountains / red zone |
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