i made no mention in any of my posts that a single person should be able to take out a tank let alone with an AR. i also have never made any points to make tanks weaker. i also made no mention that tanks should be one shot by av.

Another neophyte tanker QQ thread...

Good thing noob tanker tears aren't real or they would have caused apocalyptic flooding.

no. you assume that. that was a basic idea with no numbers. it also stated increasing ehp which is a buff and requiring 3 crew which imo is also a buff as you can see more and kill more. the mechanics behind the idea were flawed some but the idea was to emphasise the need for crew in order to justify its combat effectiveness. also that has nothing to do with this post

at least i am putting a little more thought into the problem even if it is drastic and completely different that what everyone is used to. ideas evolve into something that works or they die through constructive criticism. in a tankers eyes if its not a buff to tanks and a nerf to av then its bad for tanking.

also when something is in an idea stage then nothing that is currently in use has any relevance on it.

you missed the point of the quote. the point i was making was if a tank can solo and it takes more players to take them out then that is not balanced. 3 av taking on 1 tank with a full crew would be balanced but tankers wont allow crew in their vehicles or allow balance to compensate for not having crew.

God tankers are so bitchy its funny. Here's the thing yes a tank should be this massive asset on the field for the team, not for 1 guy. Tankers want their cake and to eat it too. They want to be this massive influence on the field SOLO. One guy should not be able to wipe out everyone around him uncontested just because he spent more isk than the next guy. This just leads to everyone running tanks because its the only viable thing. If you want to run a tank solo it has to be only slightly stronger than a solo merc, and I say slightly stronger due to the fact they cost so much. If you want a true tank, a killing machine on the level of the M1 abrams you are going to have to multicrew your tank. This means driver only drives, gunner only shoots, and support gunners only run support guns. The more complex and team based a tank is the more powerful it can be due to the fact it requires more people to be effective.

So by that meaning if you want to run a solo tank expect it to be paper thin, if you want a strong tank expect to have to run a crew of people. This is balance and this is fair.

What the hell are you talking about? Dust is definitely not the first console game that lets players control a tank while infantry runs around and fights

my translation : solo tanks are meant to be **** and tanks with a crew should be awesome

You cant really tank Void seriously, he got angry at someone and declared they werent a real tanker because they blew up another tank using a militia tank and good tactics like attacking from the rear
According to him the only want to tank is out in the open facing each other and you guys dont start shooting until the count of three

He's in the Tea party group of pilots, along with Char.

And you have no idea what it's like to throw 3 Proto Packed AV grenades and 2 volleys of Proficency 4, 3x Complex Damage Mod Swarm's at a tank, only to watch it rep through the damage, turn around and smack you down in under a second.

You have no idea what it's like to watch a tanker go 34-0, while simply running away with their repper on whenever they get low, reguardless of how much Proto AV you throw at them.

OP - Get Bent.

I have no respect for anyone who spec's tanks primary. They're just cowards looking for easy kills, who are trying to game the system as much as they can; exploit the obvious advantage in the game, since they don't have any real skill. I hope the tank 'patch' destroys tanking as a viable main spec, and reduces it to nothing more than an off-spec that anyone can go in to with little investment.

Tea Party group ios the ones that say they need insane buffing to back to or close to E3/precursor days, which should never happen.

And still no one gives me answer

How powerful should a tank operated by 1 man be?

Depends on your idea of

"Survive a Single Clash with AV"

Will the tank be limping home? You have to think if it can survive 1, why won't it to be able to survive 2. How much av are you talking, how long is a single engagement?

What should be the tanks limiting factor?

OH, im sorry. I wasnt crying,i was exagerating. Im, for the first time, accept your adult way of handeling it and i'll try to be at the same level. Sorry if i sound childish but remember english not being my main language might end in some confusion.

Point being, Tanks are way to expensive for the low chances of survival in OPEN AREAS. But i feel they are way too fast too.
So a high HP increase should come to hand with a heavy speed decrease. You cant have Speed,firefower AND resiliance...you need to give one up in order to keep it balanced...

@ ADAMANCE

TAnkers forget that it really doesnt matter how much damage AV can do , you have DAMAGE REDUCTION MODS. You have speed and have more than 5k HP....

Swarms might loose their lock on capability.ok, but the damage is needed. Also ,if you remove lock on capability DUMB fire will take place for swarms and BELIVE ME. I wouldnt mind at all.... XD

The forge gun needs a splash damage tuning, not a nerf in damage.

Av andes are VERY situational and have the worst range of every AV weapon. If you get hit by AV nades they are supposed to hurt...they only have 6-9mts range...lol

BTW,Prox mines need a BUff.like srsly...

Im NOT an eve player. I have stated this before.
You are talking something that i CANT argue.
The only thing i can say is, tankers should not have high HP,high speed, dam resistance mods and high firepower...even if they cost 10million each...

Its just game breaking.Armor plates SHOULD reduce speed enough to make the difference....

(its funny right? im the only one who thinks tanks are way too fast? it seems to be the only real problem i have with tanks....)

Apart from the need to add on being able to eject people so you can recall (or even recall whilst in your vehicle and any passengers just drop outside), for Zeus's sake, THE TANK IS A TRUMP CARD!

We don't tank AND NEITHER DO YOU!

You keep playing the same trump card over and over and over and wonder why it's trump then gets played.

So called 'tankers' (who aren't - were all infantry that can summon vehicles) don't notice the effect a tank has on whether we win the match, even if deployed only for a brief time. Because they have forgotten about it being about winning the match and instead it's about them getting to be 'tankers', cause they are 'tankers'.

The deployment of tanks is a trump card - like OB are a trump card.

Tanks are not your identity or special role.

But you don't care because you don't care about winning and the effect your tank no doubt had toward that - you care about being this mythical 'tanker' role. For it's own sake. Quit roleplaying...

Ok I feel like Im getting somewhere!

However why should 1 man in a steel box take several men with weapons specifically designed for it? Why should 1 man be worth by himself the equivalent of a squad?

the pilots fps skills are not a limiting factor, unless you are in a pilot suit. Neither is the location of engagement as this is something a tanker can easily manipulate, should it be health or ammo, different for armour or sheild tanks?

Cooldowns aren't exactly long, even more so if you have multiple modules of the same type!

LOL no broski.

I've seen good tankers , like in manus peak near A Null cannon move around in circles between A and C,assoon as thy feel endangered they just retreat to the red line to repair/recall thei vehicle.THIS has NO COUNTER, there by, its your safe oasis.

BTW , so many tankers here i have a question on my sucky tanking:
Is putting a light shield regenerator too scrubby on an armored based tank?

So when tanks get buffed you are saying you are ok with removing this feature? you know, for balance sake?...

I know your answer,i just want to hear it from your lips.....

so exactly how they are now?

Well as void put it so well

Tanks aren't dropsuits, so we should be able to recall them where we like
But tanks are treated like dropsuits so we should be able to recall them where we like

Disclaimer: Not a comment on this thread!

We could compare oranges and they would still tell me they are apples to suit their needs!!

You find it amusing do you, but that is effectively what you said! Don't you remember our discussion!
Most people were in agreement that bringing an RDV into the battlefield is unfair to dropships, you and I spent the best part of 3 hours going round in circles because you wouldn't concede a perfectly valid point!

Your idea of balance doesn't fit, tell me why 1 man should get so much power because he put a bit of money towards it.
As I said earlier which just suddenly decided you didn't like my train of thought and stopped answering.

The tanks has the highest power per isk of anything on the battlefield, why should it get stronger?

why 1 man should get so much power because he put a bit of money towards it

Please stop posting on my thread.