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Toyboi
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Posted - 2013.07.18 19:56:00 -
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The caldari logi nerf are a joke! (FAIL) im so sick of this you must be thinking we are stupid that we will be content with this farce... WTF ARE YOU THINKING ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
If you dont know how to use a calculater you shouldent be working as a gamedeveloper. The caldari logi is still MUCH stronger then anyother suit.
You give NO real arguments or insight to the thought prosses going into this crap. That can only mean that you dident think but just nerfed blindly.
bottom line!!
naaaa fack it i was about to do the math for you but why should i?
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Toyboi
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:21:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Toyboi wrote:The caldari logi nerf are a joke! (FAIL) im so sick of this you must be thinking we are stupid that we will be content with this farce... WTF ARE YOU THINKING ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
If you dont know how to use a calculater you shouldent be working as a gamedeveloper. The caldari logi is still MUCH stronger then anyother suit.
You give NO real arguments or insight to the thought prosses going into this crap. That can only mean that you dident think but just nerfed blindly.
bottom line!!
naaaa fack it i was about to do the math for you but why should i?
uuuuhh....explain
What exactly do you need me to explain?
this only apply yo caldari logi.
Most logi run 3 shield extenders that is a 51 hp nerf from that alone really big deal?? lol
then 20 reduction to cpu.. well joke... again most logi use cpu upgrades and with a complex they have way more the 20 even 50 reduction wouldent change squat
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Toyboi
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:29:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Toyboi wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:Toyboi wrote:The caldari logi nerf are a joke! (FAIL) im so sick of this you must be thinking we are stupid that we will be content with this farce... WTF ARE YOU THINKING ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
If you dont know how to use a calculater you shouldent be working as a gamedeveloper. The caldari logi is still MUCH stronger then anyother suit.
You give NO real arguments or insight to the thought prosses going into this crap. That can only mean that you dident think but just nerfed blindly.
bottom line!!
naaaa fack it i was about to do the math for you but why should i?
uuuuhh....explain What exactly do you need me to explain? this only apply yo caldari logi. Most logi run 3 shield extenders that is a 51 hp nerf from that alone really big deal?? lol then 20 reduction to cpu.. well joke... again most logi use cpu upgrades and with a complex they have way more the 20 even 50 reduction wouldent change squat And? their HP would still be lower than the assault suits, especially now that the cal assault had that OP bonus given to them, seriously, are you dumb? lol yeah dumb.. wait and see idiot |
Toyboi
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:34:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Toyboi wrote:The caldari logi nerf are a joke! (FAIL) im so sick of this you must be thinking we are stupid that we will be content with this farce... WTF ARE YOU THINKING ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
If you dont know how to use a calculater you shouldent be working as a gamedeveloper. The caldari logi is still MUCH stronger then anyother suit.
You give NO real arguments or insight to the thought prosses going into this crap. That can only mean that you dident think but just nerfed blindly.
bottom line!!
naaaa fack it i was about to do the math for you but why should i?
im guessing because you lack calculator skills Nice troll attempt.. ill remeber that next time i **** all over your corp |
Toyboi
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:38:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Toyboi wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:Toyboi wrote:The caldari logi nerf are a joke! (FAIL) im so sick of this you must be thinking we are stupid that we will be content with this farce... WTF ARE YOU THINKING ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
If you dont know how to use a calculater you shouldent be working as a gamedeveloper. The caldari logi is still MUCH stronger then anyother suit.
You give NO real arguments or insight to the thought prosses going into this crap. That can only mean that you dident think but just nerfed blindly.
bottom line!!
naaaa fack it i was about to do the math for you but why should i?
uuuuhh....explain What exactly do you need me to explain? this only apply yo caldari logi. Most logi run 3 shield extenders that is a 51 hp nerf from that alone really big deal?? lol then 20 reduction to cpu.. well joke... again most logi use cpu upgrades and with a complex they have way more the 20 even 50 reduction wouldent change squat I'm not sure what most run but if you run 4 extenders and a shield energizer (because you're true logi and focused on survivability) then this costs you 66 HP. That's a big deal. The CPU reduction might not affect someone using a CPU upgrade. It depends. It would be nice if they told us why the CPU instead of leaving us to speculate. Plz understand EVERYTHING that can be abused will be abused. they might aswell remove the assault suit! everything the assault suit can do the logi can do better. and unfortunatly this will still be true after 1.3 |
Toyboi
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:57:00 -
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Iyllaria Dai wrote:Touchy McHealz wrote:Abloo bloo abloo bloo bloooo. This thread is making my day. Let me reiterate.
Logistics - one who heals, revives, supplies and supports.
Assault - one who kills.
How are you so butthurt that your role now works as intended? The only way you are whining this hard was by taking advantage of a faulty bonus that should never have made it past playtesting.
You want rage? Try being Gallente in EVE or DUST. Armour tanking is notoriously bad, underpowered and overlooked. EVE blasters/rainguns have been the laughing stock of the game for over 3 years and have just recently been fixed.
DUST has been "live" for a little under 3 months. Try wasting 4 years waiting for some attention. If you are this hurt then I HOPE you leave and come back. Go back to Halo or CoD or whatever FPS with an iWin button. The communtiy does not need you or want you. Have a super day! Funny since it is the assaults and all crying over " we can't win" so wanting the Iwin button because their cod skills don't cut it in Dust. Let me ask you this,are you going to sit still and guard while we res someone, or are you going to watch our backs while we rep that heavy in front? No. So we have extra HP to compensate the fact we aren't always ready to shoot a round from our weapons. Try changing from a rep tool to your weapon while being shot at by a duvolle and tell me our 87 ehp more than that assault really make a difference. No instead you want to cry because toe to toe you may lose. Hell don't go head on then. Scouts don't cry they can't head on a heavy. Logi's rarely even head on a heavy. It's called battle tactics. Cal Logi's had a good balance for their roles. Others needed better bonuses, not a Nerf to Cal's. Also Toyboi, you have no clue what your talking about. So do everyone a favor and stop. We have now essentially become scouts with no sidearm and brightly colored target suits and less speed.
who the **** are you?? ill do everyone a favor and call out bs when i see it! if you are a logi i would argue that you are biased. if not i dont know what your excuse is...
Again just wait and see! this nerf is a joke! you will still be able to rolfstomp assaults |
Toyboi
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Posted - 2013.07.18 21:27:00 -
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Iyllaria Dai wrote:Toyboi wrote:Iyllaria Dai wrote:[quote=Touchy McHealz]Abloo bloo abloo bloo bloooo. This thread is making my day. Let me reiterate.
Logistics - one who heals, revives, supplies and supports.
Assault - one who kills.
How are you so butthurt that your role now works as intended? The only way you are whining this hard was by taking advantage of a faulty bonus that should never have made it past playtesting.
You want rage? Try being Gallente in EVE or DUST. Armour tanking is notoriously bad, underpowered and overlooked. EVE blasters/rainguns have been the laughing stock of the game for over 3 years and have just recently been fixed.
DUST has been "live" for a little under 3 months. Try wasting 4 years waiting for some attention. If you are this hurt then I HOPE you leave and come back. Go back to Halo or CoD or whatever FPS with an iWin button. The communtiy does not need you or want you. Have a super day! Funny since it is the assaults and all crying over " we can't win" so wanting the Iwin button because their cod skills don't cut it in Dust. Let me ask you this,are you going to sit still and guard while we res someone, or are you going to watch our backs while we rep that heavy in front? No. So we have extra HP to compensate the fact we aren't always ready to shoot a round from our weapons. Try changing from a rep tool to your weapon while being shot at by a duvolle and tell me our 87 ehp more than that assault really make a difference. No instead you want to cry because toe to toe you may lose. Hell don't go head on then. Scouts don't cry they can't head on a heavy. Logi's rarely even head on a heavy. It's called battle tactics. Cal Logi's had a good balance for their roles. Others needed better bonuses, not a Nerf to Cal's. Also Toyboi, you have no clue what your talking about. So do everyone a favor and stop. We have now essentially become scouts with no sidearm and brightly colored target suits and less speed. who the **** are you?? ill do everyone a favor and call out bs when i see it! if you are a logi i would argue that you are biased. if not i dont know what your excuse is... Again just wait and see! this nerf is a joke! you will still be able to rolfstomp assaults
Call what you like. I run Logi and Heavy currently, ran Assault last build. So I have experience and can speak first hand. I know my role as Logi and do it very well. However with Proto gear, my suit costs more than a similar assault and with the changes why would I risk that cost now to save someone who has QQ'd to make me more likely to die saving them?
Always love the "who are you" line when you fail at your argument. Let's just say I don't like to post on the forums for the sake of seeing my words like some do.
You're right, I will likely still be able to own my fair share of assaults. Not because my suit is OP, but because I have the skill to do so. Likewise, a fair share will still continue to do likewise with good builds and good skills that don't come from COD expecting this to be the same game of bullet spam.
I provided a link in my past posts to show just what the difference is. There were many better ways to fix the assault role of the Logi's. Weapon restrictions, reduction of Shield % per level, removal of one high and exchange for 4th equipment, etc. However, with the 20CPU AND reduction from shield efficacy to recharge, we are just as likely to die as a scout, perhaps more so do to the loss of speed we have.
So it seems you're the one biased. We obviously can tell your an assault. You want to be the one owning everyone without opposition obviously.
You sould seek a job with ccp shanghai you woul fit right in the game needs more mlg players like you
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Toyboi
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Posted - 2013.07.19 09:24:00 -
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Iyllaria Dai wrote:wripple wrote:RINON114 wrote:Does nobody see that this GÇ£fixGÇ¥ to the Caldari logi isn't really a fix at all?
Moving the efficacy bonus of extenders to the assault class will just make the Caldari assault OP. The problem before was that the Caldari assaults could not take down their logistics counterparts when going one-on-one with them. I wasn't very fair when logi's were running around with 1100 hp, 670 of it coming from fast regen shields. Who knows, this may all just be to make room for the future Caldari heavies and their crazy shields. Your numbers are WAY off base. An assault equiped with the exact same setup as a Cal Logi is only 87 EHP less, with higher base stats, likely better weapon as well. Again, run a Logi and get jumped while you are doing your job and see how quick that extra HP disappears.
dont know if you are trolling, judging from your ingame stats you have been playing this game for a week! the hole you are digging is putting the rift in passific rim to shame!
Answer me this: why would you fit the logisuit like a assault when you can fit it better?? |
Toyboi
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Posted - 2013.07.19 12:32:00 -
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Iyllaria Dai wrote:Quote:You sould seek a job with ccp shanghai you woul fit right in the game needs more mlg players like you LOL 798 kills kd 0.78 this conversation is over Yupp. you got that right, because I'm a Logi doing MY JOB. Nopt hunting kills or worrying about K/D... Not to mention I am also a grown adult, who has a full time Job, 5 kids, a house to tend, a farm to run, and something called a life. Sorry if this disappoints you. So first you ***** about how Logi's are being assaults, then you try to go the route of TRYING to act like I don't know what I'm talking about because I don't have a **** load of kills. Which is it? You want us Logi's to kill more, or do our job? Seems you just want to be on the band wagon of assault players who ***** because you get owned by a logi when you go toe to toe. Seriously make up your mind which way you want it. Like I said, this is going to break the ONLY suit that was balanced. While it was misused, that wasn't the suits issue, the issue was the other suits not having a balanced bonus/racial to make them work correctly as intended. So yeah, I have **** for kills, worse K/D, but I don't play this game like COD where K/D matters to me. My squad, my team, and doing my chosen role matter to me. Also having fun and winning because we worked as a team.
your total war points: 87.657... win/lose ratio : 1.25...
would say that if you did a good job you would have a better w/L ratio. your warpoints is just meeehhh when you paint a picture of a ultra logi who helps the team like a boss!
im happy you have a nice job and famly but you private life has nothing to do with dust 514, dont use that as an excuse to suck.
you make it sound like if your win/lose ratio is high you are not a team player and if your k/d is above 1 you suck and are a cod player who needs to understand this is not cod...
im will draw a parralel to leauge of legends here!
Do you think it would be to most played game in the world if they ballenced everything acording to casual and noob player opinions?
what is ballenced in your hands might be extreamly op or even up in a top tier players hand!
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Toyboi
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Posted - 2013.07.19 16:07:00 -
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Iyllaria Dai wrote:Toyboi wrote:Iyllaria Dai wrote:Quote:You sould seek a job with ccp shanghai you woul fit right in the game needs more mlg players like you LOL 798 kills kd 0.78 this conversation is over Yupp. you got that right, because I'm a Logi doing MY JOB. Nopt hunting kills or worrying about K/D... Not to mention I am also a grown adult, who has a full time Job, 5 kids, a house to tend, a farm to run, and something called a life. Sorry if this disappoints you. So first you ***** about how Logi's are being assaults, then you try to go the route of TRYING to act like I don't know what I'm talking about because I don't have a **** load of kills. Which is it? You want us Logi's to kill more, or do our job? Seems you just want to be on the band wagon of assault players who ***** because you get owned by a logi when you go toe to toe. Seriously make up your mind which way you want it. Like I said, this is going to break the ONLY suit that was balanced. While it was misused, that wasn't the suits issue, the issue was the other suits not having a balanced bonus/racial to make them work correctly as intended. So yeah, I have **** for kills, worse K/D, but I don't play this game like COD where K/D matters to me. My squad, my team, and doing my chosen role matter to me. Also having fun and winning because we worked as a team. your total war points: 87.657... win/lose ratio : 1.25... would say that if you did a good job you would have a better w/L ratio. your warpoints is just meeehhh when you paint a picture of a ultra logi who helps the team like a boss! im happy you have a nice job and famly but you private life has nothing to do with dust 514, dont use that as an excuse to suck. you make it sound like if your win/lose ratio is high you are not a team player and if your k/d is above 1 you suck and are a cod player who needs to understand this is not cod... im will draw a parralel to leauge of legends here! Do you think it would be to most played game in the world if they ballenced everything acording to casual and noob player opinions? what is ballenced in your hands might be extreamly op or even up in a top tier players hand! Again, your tossing stats like they mean jack squat. As I stated before, I play, I play damn well, sorry I have a life and can't play every day 24/7 while sitting in my moms basement. I never said if your stats are high you suck. My statement was that people like you who put so much stress on K/D need to realize that K/D is not everything in this game. Sadly, you seem to still be stuck on being a stat queen. The only reason this is an issue, is cal assault players like you QQ. Actual people who run the Logi suits for the role intended know this is a bad change. There were other ways to adjust it so people stop using it as an assault. Again still makes no sense why you would spend the massive difference in isk to outfit a proto logi with worse base stats and only 87 more EHP than a same assault suit with better stats, 87 less EHP and a hell of a lot cheaper to run. I can't help someone outfits it as Logi, when the suit is by far better suited at support. How about explain why someone would outfit a Heavy to sniper with? Or put a injector on an assault? It's called flexibility and playing to your individual play style. Something EvE has been known for, yet seems with Dust too many QQ babies want to stop that. Lets not get into the fact that now Amarr Logi now has 3H 4L, still has its 25% armor mod efficacy, and a sidearm. Cal Logi will now have 370 CPU while the other logi's have 390. So instead of fixing the suit, which they could have done. They screwed Cal Assault/Logi up from other same frame suits. If they wanted the Cal Logi to be closer to the assault, pull 1 High, that would pull the 87 EHP difference and still leave us with less stats and no sidearm. You have yet to provide any real facts other than my stats. So again, you have just jumped on a bandwagon with no real facts to support your argument. Like most who QQ here. Show your facts or move on. @ Touchy, nice try to troll.. too bad you fail at it. Just so everyone knows, I don't run a duvolle. So sorry for your disappointment. How YOU fit your logi is irelevant to this! its here you fail!!
and what fact is it you are seeking from me that you cant find yourself. just tell me and ill help you out. |
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Toyboi
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Posted - 2013.07.19 16:58:00 -
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Iyllaria Dai wrote:The fact of how I fit my suit was relevant to another poster thank you. Guess you fail at reading.
I can find plenty of facts. Yet not once have you proven how Cal Logi is OP properly fitted for it's role.
Again, there were better ways to get the Logi back in tune with it's role. Screwing up multiple suits to please a bunch of QQ babies was not the best way. Further breaking the suits instead of balancing the other suits, while easier, is not better.
The Cal Logi was fully balanced, the other suits should have been brought up to be so as well. Now we have 4 Frames unbalanced as opposed to 3. Which means more work in the end to re balance them, as they have said this is temporary till they can figure out a better balance.
really strong argument! : leave it to the players themself to balance the suits!
and how you fit your suit is aperantly relevent to this post aswell |
Toyboi
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:24:00 -
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Iyllaria Dai wrote:Toyboi wrote:Iyllaria Dai wrote:The fact of how I fit my suit was relevant to another poster thank you. Guess you fail at reading.
I can find plenty of facts. Yet not once have you proven how Cal Logi is OP properly fitted for it's role.
Again, there were better ways to get the Logi back in tune with it's role. Screwing up multiple suits to please a bunch of QQ babies was not the best way. Further breaking the suits instead of balancing the other suits, while easier, is not better.
The Cal Logi was fully balanced, the other suits should have been brought up to be so as well. Now we have 4 Frames unbalanced as opposed to 3. Which means more work in the end to re balance them, as they have said this is temporary till they can figure out a better balance.
really strong argument! : leave it to the players themself to balance the suits! and how you fit your suit is aperantly relevent to this post aswell Do you just make up stuff as you go? Who said leave it to the players? I said there were better ways. Are you seriously that dense you can't grasp basic reading comprehension? Still you fail to rebuttal with facts. You wanted me to ask you what proof I needed, well I did. Yet you still failed to answer that.. instead you tried to be sarcastic and not add anything other than your lack of IQ to the conversation. Perhaps you have missed the point that I agree the suit needed adjustment to force players back into Logi roles. However, breaking 2 suits to fix one does not push the game forward. Basic game design is you FIX things with updates. Not further break them to please a few. The easiest solution to the whole Logi assault issue would have been remove 1 High slot. That would put it back on EHP level of the assault, but still with higher cost. Then add 1 more Equip to the Assault. Leave the Bonuses on Logi and Assault as they serve their function well. Yet no where have you suggested a good fix, only criticize. No where have you shown facts to support your OP argument in suit fit for its role. The suit needs work, yes. However the proposed change is not fixing the issue.
i wasent sarcastic! calling me stupid is also a strong arguement!
and then you proceed to argue that you can balence with isk and sp.. that worked reall well in eve! im looking at you Titans
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Toyboi
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:32:00 -
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they could just chip in and enlighten us.. |
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