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Posted - 2013.01.22 10:11:00 -
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mmmmmmmmmmmmm and mmmmmmmmmm can smell that proto gear already, lets see, full proto in 3 days tops? mmmmmmmmm u gunna lovz my lasers meow, I have 3 days off and no flight school  someone pinch me and wake me up :D nom nom.....oh yaaaa btw the mmmmmmmmmmmmm's are like eric cartman rolling in jew gold. |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 10:24:00 -
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CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:I would like to explain the reasons on why we are testing the removal of the SP cap and keep you all better informed.
The development team has been listening intently to the tons of feedback from you guys on the skill system, in particular the current skill cap implementation.
Our original aims with the skill cap were to ensure players progressed through the skill tree at a steady pace, to dis-incentivize 24/7 grinding and to maintain a manageable gap between casual and hardcore players. After trying out a couple of different approaches, none of which were satisfactory, we have realized that the skill cap introduces too many other unacceptable compromises and we have decided to take a leaf out of AlexanderGÇÖs book and just cut the Gordian knot and remove the skill cap altogether. Removing the skill cap opens us up to the risk of not meeting the aims stated above, so we have tuned down reward levels a little to reduce that risk.
We believe that these changes will go a long way towards alleviating the problems that you guys have been drawing to our attention, but we will continue to listen to your feedback, monitor progression data and make further tweaks as necessary.
Finally, we are not removing the SP cap today, and will allow time for the community to speak their minds on this first.
We look forward to hearing from you!
May I be the first to say, I love you commander wang, down with the SP CAP! |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 10:38:00 -
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You know, I find it kinda funni. I think ppl that want a roll over cap just don't want to be left behind in the dust because they only have weekends to grind, and thats what they'll do......grind the hell outa the weekends, honestly those ppl are prob worse then the so called "basement dwellers" cuz they'll wait for the last day of the rollover and grind away.....totally taking from the casual players, and why shouldn't we be rewarded for our effort in game? aka amount of war points we get, how good we did in the game? so everyone thats wanting some form of cap heres my question, are you wanting this to simply be able to keep up with the rest of the community because you won't earn enough war points in matches to stay ahead? Obviously your going to grind the roll over sp at some point in time right? if your only getting 200 WP per game why the douche should you be able to keep up with me at 1500+ WP per match? you don't have to be good at this game for WP's so thats not it, and I understand ppl have things to do during the most part of the day, but what is this gunna change? since before the wipe I started playing again a week before the wipe, when everyone had their proto gear ect, and I STILL went 25-3 ect. STILL got tons of WP no matter what level of suits you had on the field......so why do you find it so unfair because you can't keep up or get the points? idk wierd, I'd rather get what I earned instead of being equal and capping out with some of you fools at the same level, aka my lil bro may get.....rarly heimdallr69 say 800 wp's and i get 1900 wp's but we get the same sp return..........so I did over double the WP work for the team to win, but I should be punished because the QQ's wouldn't be able to catch up. pfff. |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 10:46:00 -
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trollsroyce wrote:The right way to do "no cap":
1) Vast majority of sp comes from passive.
2) You do NOT get sp for time spent in game, only from WP earned.
Reasons: Rewarding, but not incentive for extended grind. No farming sp by afking.
Exactly my point in my lil rant post above, you should get rewarded for how you preform in matches, and like eve also have the passive, or no passive at all.............hell make the passive minimal. say you get 1500 WP 's in a game, welp theres your sp. idk about passive though how'd you'd work that out, but it can't be very high or it would allow for a better grind.
and edit, a higher Passive SP would be a grind if the vast majority came from this, you wouldn't even need to log in until you know you have enough sp for the next skill up.........like alt accounts in eve that you dont think are ready to play yet, do you ever log them in? or just log them in to add to the skill que? |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 10:55:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:You know, I find it kinda funni. I think ppl that want a roll over cap just don't want to be left behind in the dust because they only have weekends to grind, and thats what they'll do......grind the hell outa the weekends, honestly those ppl are prob worse then the so called "basement dwellers" cuz they'll wait for the last day of the rollover and grind away.....totally taking from the casual players, and why shouldn't we be rewarded for our effort in game? aka amount of war points we get, how good we did in the game? so everyone thats wanting some form of cap heres my question, are you wanting this to simply be able to keep up with the rest of the community because you won't earn enough war points in matches to stay ahead? Obviously your going to grind the roll over sp at some point in time right? if your only getting 200 WP per game why the douche should you be able to keep up with me at 1500+ WP per match? you don't have to be good at this game for WP's so thats not it, and I understand ppl have things to do during the most part of the day, but what is this gunna change? since before the wipe I started playing again a week before the wipe, when everyone had their proto gear ect, and I STILL went 25-3 ect. STILL got tons of WP no matter what level of suits you had on the field......so why do you find it so unfair because you can't keep up or get the points? idk wierd, I'd rather get what I earned instead of being equal and capping out with some of you fools at the same level, aka my lil bro may get.....rarly heimdallr69 say 800 wp's and i get 1900 wp's but we get the same sp return..........so I did over double the WP work for the team to win, but I should be punished because the QQ's wouldn't be able to catch up. pfff. Ok. 1) Learn to make a decent post. 2) Come back in twenty kilos, 10-15 years, and with a job, house, family. Also, no one ever said the current system is perfect. The "1 sec = 5 SP" in battle is way too high. tweaking that value and keeping the cap would probably be a good start. What's the problem ? people arent rewared for doing well in battle as an afk dude will earn as much. Then just kill the Afk part of the cap. Let's just do math without that part but with the current cap. So, current cap is 27200 SP. You get 1 SP per WP. Say you'd get 1SP per second in the battle. For a 15 min battle, afk SP would get you 900 SP. Guy who usually does 1800 WP would earn 2700 SP and the "noob" with 200 WP would win 1100 SP. There you got a reward. With that kind of rate, it would require around 10 games to cap for a good player. Around 30 games for a not so good player. Thus people wouldnt reach cap every day. HArder players would and thus create a gap day after day. That's exactly what happend with the weekly cap. After 2 month, i was 10-15% Sp behind my most invested corp mates. And i wouldnt complain as they made the effort to get to the last SP of that weekly cap, every week ! They deserved that slight amount SP over me. But without cap. Over the same period of time, it would have been something like 60% more SP. It's all about freakin balance !
Bro eve isn't about a balance, and btw, commercial pilot so I don't have time for a family mmmk nor would I want the hassle of dealing with one. :) travel way to much with good down time and no need for tag alongs.
Eve isn't about catching up.........you know I have a toon in eve at 156 mill sp currently.....there are kids starting today with 0 sp, there are ppl who over the years would have the same sp as me but alas, they forgot to login and que up their skills or allowed their accounts to expire.
I don't see where there needs to be a balance in this as you said,
So, current cap is 27200 SP. You get 1 SP per WP. Say you'd get 1SP per second in the battle.
For a 15 min battle, afk SP would get you 900 SP. Guy who usually does 1800 WP would earn 2700 SP and the "noob" with 200 WP would win 1100 SP. There you got a reward.
Welp that's all I need. and that's how it should be, it would suck to try grinding that wouldn't it? and you hit my post dead on ty :)
hope this post is more legible for you
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Posted - 2013.01.22 11:03:00 -
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KripnawtiQ Prime wrote:I think the cap we have now would be fine with a roll over system for those that can't cap every day to catch up on days off. Increase the consolation to 1000 sp (enough to make a difference over several matches for those that play a lot) and reduce the time spent in battle to 1wp/second instead of 5wp/second.
No cap at all is just crazy. It will kill this game for players that don't have hours and hours to devote to gaming.
So with this rolling cap, we talking at the end of say 7 days if you don't use whats rolled over then you lose the sp? or do you hang on to it forever? |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 11:09:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:KripnawtiQ Prime wrote:I think the cap we have now would be fine with a roll over system for those that can't cap every day to catch up on days off. Increase the consolation to 1000 sp (enough to make a difference over several matches for those that play a lot) and reduce the time spent in battle to 1wp/second instead of 5wp/second.
No cap at all is just crazy. It will kill this game for players that don't have hours and hours to devote to gaming. So with this rolling cap, we talking at the end of say 7 days if you don't use whats rolled over then you lose the sp? or do you hang on to it forever? Lose the SP ideally. Even WoW has a limit of how much double EXP you can store.
it would need to be a decent cap though imo, if we had what we did last time, like 370k or something for a week........idk I can only
play to make the KDR go higher for so long....at current I cap out quick, due to not having any low reward games
so if some ppl say play only 1 day per week and grind out their cap, what about us that play a lil extra now and then for the hell of it? we'll be having no reason to log in until the cap cycles again like last time, what I did anyways, once the week cap was hit well.....that was it
until the next week came by 0 dust.
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Posted - 2013.01.22 11:10:00 -
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Mirana Cheshire wrote:I vote for the no cap limit and getting sp based on wp gained, the current wp system of course must be reevaluated
honestly why are people afraid with the no cap limit? the battlefield series does this (new players start with limited gear and you gain more the more points you gain)
are you worried the new players might catch up to those of you who started playing from day 1?
ya meh, week roll cap is eeeh ok but I've played the unfair eve world to long to agree with it i suppose, I support this dudes post. |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 11:24:00 -
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2-Ton Twenty-One wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:KripnawtiQ Prime wrote:I think the cap we have now would be fine with a roll over system for those that can't cap every day to catch up on days off. Increase the consolation to 1000 sp (enough to make a difference over several matches for those that play a lot) and reduce the time spent in battle to 1wp/second instead of 5wp/second.
No cap at all is just crazy. It will kill this game for players that don't have hours and hours to devote to gaming. So with this rolling cap, we talking at the end of say 7 days if you don't use whats rolled over then you lose the sp? or do you hang on to it forever? Lose the SP ideally. Even WoW has a limit of how much double EXP you can store. it would need to be a decent cap though imo, if we had what we did last time, like 370k or something for a week........idk I can only play to make the KDR go higher for so long....at current I cap out quick, due to not having any low reward games so if some ppl say play only 1 day per week and grind out their cap, what about us that play a lil extra now and then for the hell of it? we'll be having no reason to log in until the cap cycles again like last time, what I did anyways, once the week cap was hit well.....that was it until the next week came by 0 dust. But the games supposed to be about corp battles, not sp grinding!! Sp should be the icing on the cake of a great fun to play competitive fps not the other way around. IMO
If anyone will accept your corp battles that is ^^ hehe
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Posted - 2013.02.10 03:45:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Proto-dropsuit Imperfects, Proto-dropsuit Imperfects everywhere...
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