They are not going to put anything that has as massive of an exploit as 16 man squads in FW would.


Step 1 Get 17 people together. 16 of them in a platoon.

Step 2 The 17th man tosses a squad up in squad finder and the original platoon runs a match until his squad is full.

Step 3 The two 16 man squads sync against each other.

Step 4 The "bad" squad leader kicks anyone that is actually killing people.

Step 5 Repeat syncs all day with triple stacked boosters and laugh at your insane profits.




I find it odd that many of the same people who farmed PC to the ground are the ones fighting so hard for this system to be implemented now that farmability in PC has been reduced to almost nothing.

Do you believe in coincidences?

It happened in PC apparently, but it was nowhere near as rampant as you and others elude to.

I honestly can't picture 32 people getting together for something so cheesy, how boring would that be? The PC farming was a few people, I never heard of full teams farming.

Except that in EvE, you can't monopolize the FW content. There is nothing stopping someone from making an endless string of awoxing alts, and you certainly can't keep people out of plexes without suffering the standing hit. You certainly can't keep a carebear from farming LP with L4s.

How to fix FW is a much longer topic than what this thread wants to deal with, and the topic at hand is bad for FW long term, in my opinion.

I fully understand that you want to commit for your militia, but supporting this type of change would produce a constantly farmed, stale FW with little to no dynamics involved between who is farming harder.

I honestly can't picture 32 people getting together for something so cheesy, how boring would that be? The PC farming was a few people, I never heard of full teams farming.

Full teams worked together many times to boost their SP payouts.

I can not find the video at the moment but there was a video circulated a while back where WTF was able to farm well over 20k WP per player in PC battles. This is the same activity that would EASILY take place behind closed doors in 32 man FW syncs.

Want 32 people in your corp to cap out in one day with free one day boosters stacked? Sure counter sync into FW which would be unbelievably easy with 16 man squads. Since it was in one match 2100 AUR for a x4 boost on top of that would be amazing.

Fortunately there is a system in place now that slows this down but it still works.

Assuming the cap is at 7500 WP:

7500 x 2.5 from boosters = 18,750 SP in one match.
7500 x 4 from a single instant boost = 30,000 SP on top of that.

Once you add in time in battle SP you are over 50K SP from one risk free match which can easily be repeated as many times as you want per day. That means you can cap out in roughly 20 matches all triple stacked boosters and x4 instant boosts making millions of SP and getting a good amount of nearly free proto gear all at once.

Thanks to no search times when countering with 32 people you can figure an average of 20 minutes per battle meaning with only 7 hours in one day you are able to net nearly a billion ISK for the corporation and nearly 10 million SP per player.

I usually get between 300 and 800 WP while syncing. Most people I play with have from 50 to 125 mil SP, I personally have right under 125 mil with 4 mil unallocated.

Nothing will change for NF with 4, 6, or 8 man squads, it'll just be more of a pain to do it.

I certainly don't know anyone who is going to spend $ to boost SP. A year ago, maybe.

I think the game needs persistent team deploy and FW is the best way to achieve it with the least amount of dev time. Maybe raiding becomes this, but either way team deploy is needed.

I am talking about people going into matches which are fully controlled by them so that everyone can run up a quick 7500 WP and move on to the next one. That's exactly what went on in PC for a long time.

Persistent team deploy is exactly what raids are meant to be somewhere down the road. I can not wait as it will actually make PC interesting.

Can you imagine logging in and hanging out with your corp to launch 10 - 20 raids through out the day just causing mayhem across Molden Heath? Now THAT is the team deploy we need. Fortunately that is what Ratatti seems to be trying to make possible.

Deezy again you fail to realize that this can already be done and the more syncs that are floating around the more difficult trying to control both sides becomes.

I'm sorry but "somewhere down the road" for persistent team deploy isn't acceptable. It also doesn't address that Team Deploy is something specifically desired for Faction Warfare.

Deezy again you fail to realize that this can already be done and the more syncs that are floating around the more difficult trying to control both sides becomes.

I'm sorry but "somewhere down the road" for persistent team deploy isn't acceptable. It also doesn't address that Team Deploy is something specifically desired for Faction Warfare.

No, I said it's already possible. Yet it doesn't occur and would be made harder by he presence of more syncs if folks were to try it. Also CCP already put anit-boosting measures in place becuase of what happened in PC.

Your argument is about as sound as bad DRM policies.

Deezy, again the issue is that adding team deploy doesn't create anything that can't be done already. It gives the power of team deploy to all players rather than a select few. Address any exploiting that might occur directly rather than trying to punish everyone.

It's about improving the team play options at the same time the solo and small group options are improved (4 man fire teams in pubs).

Also, if you think just because CCP decides something it's the right course of action I have a bridge to sell you.

Attorney General, if you think the lack of 16 man platoons will stop the current syncs from continuing they you really have no idea what you are talking about.

I was always and still am a big proponent of four-man squads (fireteams) in public matches.

Public matches should have a protectionist aspect to them that gives players and opportunity to familiarize themselves with the game and get those initial social hooks.

That said, to me the compromise to 4 man squads in public play was to implement team deploy in FW. Fireteams are coming to Pubs but only Squads of 8 are coming to FW. There is something wrong here.

Getting this close to team deploy in FW and then not getting it is extremely frustrating. I understand the desire to iterate and use caution, but this is an instance where the band-aid needs to be ripped off. Team Deploy has been a requested and clamored for feature in FW for years. We now have the tools to realize a dream of many many Dust players: the ability to deploy with a full team with little delay. PC matches in less than 24 hours will not be coming to PC at this time and team deploy in FW offers a fantastic alternative to a feature that may not be implemented for months.

Team Deploy will make the lives of those that already sync in Faction Warfare easier, yes, but it will accomplish so much more! A single instigator will be able to enable 15 players to socialize and play Dust together at the drop of a hat. Corporations will be able try out newer members by easily fielding them with vets in FW. Faction Warfare enthusiast will be able to truly organize their forces and move FW to a more concrete and substantial meta. Corporations will even be able to create a pseudo corp battle 2.0 system!

Also, the easier it is to sync the more syncs will be running and thus the number of quality matches in FW will further increase. Jump starting FW will go from a many hour affair to two individuals creating public platoons and gathering the forces needed to kick FW off which means more and more timezones will be able to enjoy a game mode that has been out of reach!!!

Again, I can understand and appreciate the hesitancy to directly implementing this feature off the bat, but the time is now for team deploy in FW. We've waited long enough, CCP, give us the tool to truly organize ourselves for immediate full team play!!!!!

I gave more than a few reasons. Your objections have been shot down numerous times and now you are just grasping at straws.

They are not going to put anything that has as massive of an exploit as 16 man squads in FW would.


Step 1 Get 17 people together. 16 of them in a platoon.

Step 2 The 17th man tosses a squad up in squad finder and the original platoon runs a match until his squad is full.

Step 3 The two 16 man squads sync against each other.

Step 4 The "bad" squad leader kicks anyone that is actually killing people.

Step 5 Repeat syncs all day with triple stacked boosters and laugh at your insane profits.




I find it odd that many of the same people who farmed PC to the ground are the ones fighting so hard for this system to be implemented now that farmability in PC has been reduced to almost nothing.

Do you believe in coincidences?

Your "drawbacks" in terms of destroying the ability to queue have been shown to be fantasy at best by a mathematician that you actually agreed with.

And if you actually bothered to read you would see that I said that the tools are already in place for team deploy through q-syncing and yet this massive exploiting doesn't exist. So you think everyone will wake up tomorrow and then try to execute exploits that aren't even possible with SP caps in matches, set LP payouts, and the creation of ISK through the destruction of BPOs already haven been addressed?

I'm sorry, but the sky isn't falling. You really should leave the tinfoil and paranoia at home.

Unlike Planetary Conquest, which requires involvement with a player corporation and favors an extremely high level of gameplay, Factional Contracts are an area of the game that anyone can participate in. Factional Contracts and their link with Factional Warfare in EVE also serve as one of our best links between the two games. That being said, currently Factional Contracts were not hugely different to public contracts. Our goal with this iteration of Factional Contracts was to make them unique and more challenging while maintaining their accessibility to all players. It is our belief that, at least for now, players should want to play both Public Contracts and Factional Contracts; not one or the other.

Someone give me the jist of the last 5 pages?

FW is hardly booming now, give it team deploy and it might actually get more people interested

Kain says FW needs 16 man deploy because it is suppose to be hard mode and a large part of the community wants it.

I say 16 man deploy breaks wait times, blocks average players from joining, and seriously increases the ability to exploit the game mode similar to how PC use to be exploited.

Sorry if I misstated Kain's opinion he is free to add his own "jist" if he likes.

This is hillarious you do know that there can be a infinite amount of matches and not just one at a time for 1 faction? As soon the 16 man sync gets deployed the game waits till the next match gets filled up in the que and with that creates another match in FW. The possibility that you run into another 16 man team are aswell higher cause the game prefers large squads over small/solo players and with that when both sides que at a similar time its allmost granted that they face each other.

And about your argument about "we dont know if the system can handle team deploy" i could aswell claim the opposite where you dont know that it wouldnt work.

Wow, I would just ignore that deezy guy. He's just feeding off the back and forth negative side of things. How many times can someone make the same point, over and over and over again?

Also, if you think just because CCP decides something it's the right course of action I have a bridge to sell you.

Attorney General, if you think the lack of 16 man platoons will stop the current syncs from continuing they you really have no idea what you are talking about.

This is hillarious you do know that there can be a infinite amount of matches and not just one at a time for 1 faction? As soon the 16 man sync gets deployed the game waits till the next match gets filled up in the que and with that creates another match in FW. The possibility that you run into another 16 man team are aswell higher cause the game prefers large squads over small/solo players and with that when both sides que at a similar time its allmost granted that they face each other.

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To the first line, a former CPM trying to act haughty is completely absurd.

To the second, please provide a point where I say that limiting team deploy to PC is done to stop q syncs. You can't, because I didn't say it. Stop trying to respond to a point with a different one.

You want to be able to farm easier. I get it, I think we all get it. You want a few button clicks and 32 people are fighting matches without organized opposition, and you don't have to even put in the effort to get a sync going.

You want CCP to gift wrap your LP for you becuase heaven forbid you have to put some work in to stomp the **** out of randoms.

Once again, since you clearly need it drilled into your mouth breathing skull: Why should CCP invest limited Dev resources into making your farming easier?