The new slot layout is 5/3/4 (H/L/E), and no longer needs a cpu mod because of the extra CPU with this last update

How much of a difference does the extra precision make?

I used to be a Squad Lead like you, but then I took a Thale's to the knee.

Is it worth putting Precision Enhancers on a Gal Logi?

The new slot layout is 5/3/4 (H/L/E), and no longer needs a cpu mod because of the extra CPU with this last update

How much of a difference does the extra precision make?

Any other opinions or preferences on which Logi you fine folks prefer? I solo Logi a lot, so that leans me towards the Cal Logi. I prefer to be a squad force multiplier, so I'm leaning towards the Gal Logi. I'm still interested in hearing from some Amarr Logi enthusiasts too.

Any input is appreciated! I won't spec until I have at least enough for Advanced, so that gives me at least a couple weeks before I decide.

Minmatar and Gallente are both team focused, while the Caldari and Amarr can do a lot more solo work.

If you want to be an effective slayer and run completely solo (passive support with uplinks and nanohives in key positions) go Amarr. If you want to play solo but like sticking around your teammates, go Caldari.

Gallente is a better slayer than Minmatar, but both races have bonuses that require you to be near your team, or at least with a squad (gallente scans require squad mates to kill scanned players, minmatar bonus requires having something to rep)

Generally, if you play in squads with at least one other logi, go with gallente. If you feel like you're usually the only logi on the team, go Caldari.

Skilled into Cal Logi as well, but haven't tested it yet. Thinking ...

Logi C/1 (99k)
HS: Enh Shields (x3), Cmp Precision, Cmp Recharger
LS: Enh Plates, Cmp Ferro (x2), Enh CPU
PW: Rail
GR: Core Locus
EQ: Allotek(R), Compact, Core Repper

Good input! Which of the two would you say works best with a Mass Driver?

I haven't had a lot of success running a triage hive cal logi (both triage and alloteks in one fitting instead of a repair tool)

The biggest issue is that the hives eat up so much fitting space that you are forced to reduce the effectiveness of your shield tank.

Either you run more armor instead of a regulator, or you run more shields instead of a precision mod.

I think that if you use a nanohive setup, you need to completely tank armor. The only other way to fit a Cal Logi effectively IMO is to run it like a recon scanner logi.

Precision mod, dampener, range amp (or two) and/or regulator with the rest complex extenders.

You don't fight the enemy, you just provide scans, spawns, and an 80% pick me up. Probably won't get you a lot of points, but your slayers will love the extra eyes.

I caution the user who would spec into Cal Logi. Shields being what they are (weak) the suit has noticeably less staying power than any of the other suits. (translation - die more often).

In my experience a team multiplier will be a Minmatar, Gallente, Amarr, then Cal... like what has been said.
The Minmatar has a bit better speed and the repping bonus is magnificent.
The Gallente still has 4EQ, like the Minmatar, and is a bit slower but is definitely more tanky in the armor department.
The Amarr with only 3 slots is still better in my opinion than the Cal Logi. Amarr can both support and fight back a bit better than the other logis. and can be the only AV logi or specialize in an odd weapon because the side arm can still offer a bit of killing power when needed.

The Cal, suffers in HP, and has trouble staying with the group when a few stray shots can quickly put him into his weak armor HP because nearly everything eats up shields very quickly. Another drawback is the limitation of the Bonus and deployable EQ. The necessity to return to supply depots is annoying - if you live that long - and as the team is moving and the Hives don't. Once deployed they eat up major bandwidth unless they are fully used up, that also means you are popping them as you lay down others so the healing stations set up earlier can disappear immediately.

I've been playing each logi for quite some time, and the Cal logi is always the one that gives me the most difficulty, still. Creating a fit that will both use the bonus, survive, and bring all the other logi tools to the field isn't easy as even when I feel that the fit is maxed out it is still super squishy. That said most of my experimenting is at STD and ADV levels. My Pro Cal suits still feel like they die more often than my other logi builds at Pro level, but that is how it feels to me.

Others seem to profess greater success than I, though our loadouts are very similar. It perhaps is just my playstyle that has yet to adapt to the Cal Logi...

Well mastering 3/4 isn't bad ;)

Good luck, and the massdriver works well in any team driven play unless friendly fire is on. Solo play I wouldn't suggest it, but it has its moments. Still, it can clear explosives and scouts in cqc pretty well. But lining up a medium or long distance shot is tricky, and if there is overhead cover it is better just to back away.

... it makes me wonder; what is still making the Cal Logi the weaker choice?

My Cal Heavy and Cal Sent tend to fare better without dual tanking, though I play these units from long range (I doubt they'd hold up very well if I didn't).

Pardon this fatties interruption, but the Cal Sent does work well at close range if you gear you fit more to regen rather than high HP. Use the cover to your advantage, drop in for a few seconds and pop out for a few shots before popping back in. If you sacrifice HP, you can hit a recharge off well over 100hp/s with short delays (2.46 for delay, 0.62 for depleted)

YMMV on this, if this isn't your playstyle.

Aaaannnndddd now I want to proto that out too, well done

So, I was bored today, and went min sentinel 5 and hmg pro 5... :D

Now we'll be able to flip heavy/logi on any given spawn when paired
Which reminds me, totally not enough squads with you lately

So, I was bored today, and went min sentinel 5 and hmg pro 5... :D

Only prof 5? All about that fitting optimization 5.

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It seems so strange to me that the one true OG 'Slayer Logi' was the Cal, back in Uprising 1.0. Now that it has been proven that the 'Warlords 1.2: Return of the Slayer Logi' (directed by Aeon Amandi) was proven to be false, it makes me wonder; what is still making the Cal Logi the weaker choice? It can't just be the loss of a bonus to shield extenders? Could it be that simple?

Even stranger is the fact that the Cal Logi has an over 1.0 KD/R advantage over its Logi brethren. Is this due to it still actually functioning well as a solo semi-slayer suit? I think it may be due to the smaller amount of players running it. They know the suits limitations quite well, and as a result die much less.
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If I'm not mistaken The numbers from that KDR announcement were over the whole history of Dust514, and are therefore not an accurate depiction of the current state of the CAL Logi. But during the time that they were the killing bees with the shield bonus they were formidable. Now, I believe we have people that are still spec'ed into it, and with its many highs it can still be an efficient killing machine from AFAR. Close up it sucks. But as a Sniper or another Rail Rifle user that picks off the weak, or even bricked the Slot versatility swayed the data.

I would like to see data from only the last quarter, maybe 6 months. Then I believe we would have more to discuss about the "why" of the situation IFF the KDR numbers still held true. But as it is from the beginning of the public release I believe they have little weight for making a suit decision - as far as the logis go.


PLUS

I'm a little pissed that I can't find Logi progression in the Suit progression choices. AM I just missing it somewhere? can someone else confirm whether or not it is there please?