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Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
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Posted - 2015.04.26 11:56:00 -
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Luther Mandrix wrote:Shared Scans and Damping in Dust514
Please correct me if I am wrong on any of this ,I want to know exactly what is going on.
1.Passive scan suits let the whole squad/Team see all enemies in scan range of Passive scan suit?
2.Direct sight used to be shared with squad/team ,is it still shared?
3.Active scan equipment scans are shared by whole team.
1.So if the above is true that one passive scan suit can see for the team why can't one dampend suit damp for the whole team?
Balanced gameplay?(My thoughts passive scan should be for that player only)
2.Should direct sight be shared by team/squad by tagging enemy like Battlefield?(Personally don't like shared sight)
3.If active scan is shared by the team ,I think that is OP. (Personally Shared by squad at the most is my thought)
New Equipment idea
Active Scan dampener
Equipment that dampens squads members profiles against active scans
Area effect 33 meters for 3 minutes with a cool down of 3 minutes
PG/CPU BONUS TO LOGI ONLY |
MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
2809
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Posted - 2015.04.26 13:04:00 -
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Luther Mandrix wrote:Shared Scans and Damping in Dust514
Please correct me if I am wrong on any of this ,I want to know exactly what is going on.
1.Passive scan suits let the whole squad/Team see all enemies in scan range of Passive scan suit?
2.Direct sight used to be shared with squad/team ,is it still shared?
3.Active scan equipment scans are shared by whole team.
1.So if the above is true that one passive scan suit can see for the team why can't one dampend suit damp for the whole team?
Balanced gameplay?(My thoughts passive scan should be for that player only)
2.Should direct sight be shared by team/squad by tagging enemy like Battlefield?(Personally don't like shared sight)
3.If active scan is shared by the team ,I think that is OP. (Personally Shared by squad at the most is my thought)
Passive scans are shared by squad. Direct line of sight is not shared with anyone. Infantry active scanners are shared with team, Vehicle active scanners are only shared with squad.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.04.26 14:55:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Luther Mandrix wrote:Shared Scans and Damping in Dust514
Please correct me if I am wrong on any of this ,I want to know exactly what is going on.
1.Passive scan suits let the whole squad/Team see all enemies in scan range of Passive scan suit?
2.Direct sight used to be shared with squad/team ,is it still shared?
3.Active scan equipment scans are shared by whole team.
1.So if the above is true that one passive scan suit can see for the team why can't one dampend suit damp for the whole team?
Balanced gameplay?(My thoughts passive scan should be for that player only)
2.Should direct sight be shared by team/squad by tagging enemy like Battlefield?(Personally don't like shared sight)
3.If active scan is shared by the team ,I think that is OP. (Personally Shared by squad at the most is my thought) Passive scans are shared by squad. Direct line of sight is not shared with anyone. Infantry active scanners are shared with team, Vehicle active scanners are only shared with squad.
There is one exception as it relates to Active Scanners. The Duvolle Focused Active Scanner is shared with Squad; every other Active Scanner is shared with Team.
* I've not recently tested Direct Line of Sight or Vehicle Active Scanners, but I've no reason to doubt Mina's report.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4582
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:06:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Shield transporter is a taboo, considering how insane (it was balanced against OP AV of the time) spider tanking was, i don't agree with it.
shaman using specific historical balance numbers to counter a macro level concept is bad pratice.
By that same logic rep tools should have been removed way back in the day when the numbers attached to them were able to be used in a deeply exploitative fashion.
Shield extenders could have been removed when they were made brokenly OP in combination with the CalLogi racial.
The bad stat values on the TAR during it's OP stage could have been used to advocate for the removal of Tac Rifles en mass.
Anything can be broken with the wrong numbers, and while it does not inversely follow that anything can be balance within all games/contexts it does mean that stat profiles aren't a great place to look when considering the presence or lack of an asset at a conceptual level.
shaman oga wrote:I've never agreed with bonus on equipments, survavibility bonus were better, now that assault are in a good position, we should get the same slot progression and a new bonus set.
Peace for am and cal logi, they should be normalized.
I've always leaned more towards survivability bonuses as well, conceptually I like them and they fit the logi...
but here's the rub, in Dust you live by either speed or brick tanking (a generalization to be sure, but one close enough to reality to hold some weight) so it's hard to find any valid eHP bonuses that don't break the balance curve.
CalLogi racial was overpowered, AmLogi racial was underwhelming (and the Gal did it better even without the racial buff), etc.
Then it draws us into the "must require full equipment slots" territory because unless the racial bonuses to eHP are notably less valuable in a fight than the racial bonuses to DPS on the assault what reason is there not to run logistics fits as assault fits? And even if we 'fittings lock' every equipment slot to be filled, or 'gold box' every slot so there's something in it, that doesn't stop a player from stacking 3-4 of whatever the lowest cost equipment mod is and moving on with their life.
Again I like the eHP bonuses on a conceptual level, but finding a way to make them workable in game without causing role bleed is a messy prospect. However if anyone has a proposal for that I'm all ears. 
shaman oga wrote:It would be cool if with both lvl.5 of assault and logi you could unlock a combat logi, but that goes under the category of post level 5 content.
The issue with running post level 5 content this way is that you start to create a meta of "get to the highest level and then run the 'everything fit'. Post level 5 is generally a deeper specialization, making sacrifices to become more effective in a smaller niche. If it's scaled the other way then we'd see current role proto suits start to become used like current frame suits, that is to say hardly ever. Best practice would be skill past them as quickly as possible and then use the suit that provides more general value.
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shaman oga
Dead Man's Game
4521
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:48:00 -
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Regarding shield transporter, i guess you are right, but i'm still suspicios, i must see that working, i also agree on mixed combat logi.
Bonus set is more difficult, since we know what we do and how we have to do it, but of course everyone would take advantage of changes if they see they can gain something.
Sincerely i would change a lot things and give all utility to logi and give other bonus to scouts in biotics and only dampening, leaving hack, scan range and precision to logi.
I will continue, now i've to go.
Shifted in time, your tomorrow, my today.
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korrah silain
True Illuminate
22
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Posted - 2015.04.27 19:32:00 -
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So I like to stick to lower tier suits cause I'm cheap
I also like scans and Rex's(remote explosives)
What do you think of a basic galogi with enhanced armor reps, breach ar, double quantum adv scans and a Rex? |
Crazy Cat Lady
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
256
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Posted - 2015.04.28 03:01:00 -
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[ Skin Modules]
Yellow is sooo last season.
Do we have word on the availability of skin modules for logis?
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4603
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Posted - 2015.04.28 03:10:00 -
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Crazy Cat Lady wrote:[ Skin Modules]
Yellow is sooo last season.
Do we have word on the availability of skin modules for logis?
Skins will be applied via race+frame size.
So assaults and logistics will share the same skins.
Availability of skin mods for logi will be "everything released for the medium frames of that race". (aka we should have quite a few and more to come)
CPM 1 mail me your feedback and remember to have fun!
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
21237
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Posted - 2015.04.28 03:28:00 -
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I will be keepin irregular tabs on this thread, mostly for fun thourh
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Aiwha Bait
Demonic Cowboys
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Posted - 2015.04.28 03:59:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I will be keepin irregular tabs on this thread, mostly for fun thourh
Pshft. "mostly for fun". Lame. :P You should seriously look at some of our "fun". :P There have been some interesting suggestions that have been made known in this room. ;)
Keep us for "fun", but just know that we are way cooler than the scouts over in The Barbershoppe ;) *jerks thumb in the general direction of the BS* ;) I mean, look at their abbreviation. :P It's BS because of the high amount of bullsh*t that goes through there. :P
I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
18547
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Posted - 2015.04.28 04:06:00 -
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Aiwha Bait wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I will be keepin irregular tabs on this thread, mostly for fun thourh Pshft. "mostly for fun". Lame. :P You should seriously look at some of our "fun". :P There have been some interesting suggestions that have been made known in this room. ;) Keep us for "fun", but just know that we are way cooler than the scouts over in The Barbershoppe ;) *jerks thumb in the general direction of the BS* ;) I mean, look at their abbreviation. :P It's BS because of the high amount of bullsh*t that goes through there. :P
That are you aren't staring down the barrel of Arkena Wyrnspire and his Siege of the Barbershop.
#Theforumwarsarereal
"MIN MAXING! MIN MAXING! I'M BETTER AT IT THAN YOU!"
- Mobius Wyvern
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Aiwha Bait
Demonic Cowboys
122
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Posted - 2015.04.28 04:30:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Aiwha Bait wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I will be keepin irregular tabs on this thread, mostly for fun thourh Pshft. "mostly for fun". Lame. :P You should seriously look at some of our "fun". :P There have been some interesting suggestions that have been made known in this room. ;) Keep us for "fun", but just know that we are way cooler than the scouts over in The Barbershoppe ;) *jerks thumb in the general direction of the BS* ;) I mean, look at their abbreviation. :P It's BS because of the high amount of bullsh*t that goes through there. :P That are you aren't staring down the barrel of Arkena Wyrnspire and his Siege of the Barbershop. #Theforumwarsarereal
Oh, good! There's lots of you! :D Maybe you guys can cut my hair? :D Number two on the back and sides, and scissor cut the top...but not too short. I wanna keep it kinda long. I'm digging this new style. :D
#whatwar #thehairisreal #snipsnip
I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4606
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Posted - 2015.04.28 04:50:00 -
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*passes out opiates to all over zealous forum warriors*
There now, settle down, it'll all be alright, one of our trained professionals will be with you shortly
CPM 1 mail me your feedback and remember to have fun!
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
18550
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Posted - 2015.04.28 04:56:00 -
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Aiwha Bait wrote:True Adamance wrote:Aiwha Bait wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I will be keepin irregular tabs on this thread, mostly for fun thourh Pshft. "mostly for fun". Lame. :P You should seriously look at some of our "fun". :P There have been some interesting suggestions that have been made known in this room. ;) Keep us for "fun", but just know that we are way cooler than the scouts over in The Barbershoppe ;) *jerks thumb in the general direction of the BS* ;) I mean, look at their abbreviation. :P It's BS because of the high amount of bullsh*t that goes through there. :P That are you aren't staring down the barrel of Arkena Wyrnspire and his Siege of the Barbershop. #Theforumwarsarereal Oh, good! There's lots of you! :D Maybe you guys can cut my hair? :D Number two on the back and sides, and scissor cut the top...but not too short. I wanna keep it kinda long. I'm digging this new style. :D #whatwar #thehairisreal #snipsnip
I don't know about that. I am not a qualified Logistics Operative...... I am not able to provide adequate maintenance to your hair.
"MIN MAXING! MIN MAXING! I'M BETTER AT IT THAN YOU!"
- Mobius Wyvern
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Aiwha Bait
Demonic Cowboys
122
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Posted - 2015.04.28 05:26:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Aiwha Bait wrote:True Adamance wrote:Aiwha Bait wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I will be keepin irregular tabs on this thread, mostly for fun thourh Pshft. "mostly for fun". Lame. :P You should seriously look at some of our "fun". :P There have been some interesting suggestions that have been made known in this room. ;) Keep us for "fun", but just know that we are way cooler than the scouts over in The Barbershoppe ;) *jerks thumb in the general direction of the BS* ;) I mean, look at their abbreviation. :P It's BS because of the high amount of bullsh*t that goes through there. :P That are you aren't staring down the barrel of Arkena Wyrnspire and his Siege of the Barbershop. #Theforumwarsarereal Oh, good! There's lots of you! :D Maybe you guys can cut my hair? :D Number two on the back and sides, and scissor cut the top...but not too short. I wanna keep it kinda long. I'm digging this new style. :D #whatwar #thehairisreal #snipsnip I don't know about that. I am not a qualified Logistics Operative...... I am not able to provide adequate maintenance to your hair.
So you dont run a real barbershoppe? :'(
I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed
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Pseudogenesis
Nos Nothi
2690
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Posted - 2015.04.28 05:40:00 -
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Aiwha Bait wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I will be keepin irregular tabs on this thread, mostly for fun thourh Pshft. "mostly for fun". Lame. :P You should seriously look at some of our "fun". :P There have been some interesting suggestions that have been made known in this room. ;) Keep us for "fun", but just know that we are way cooler than the scouts over in The Barbershoppe ;) *jerks thumb in the general direction of the BS* ;) I mean, look at their abbreviation. :P It's BS because of the high amount of bullsh*t that goes through there. :P
Don't make me steal your rep tool!
Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
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Aiwha Bait
Demonic Cowboys
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Posted - 2015.04.28 07:18:00 -
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Pseudogenesis wrote:Aiwha Bait wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I will be keepin irregular tabs on this thread, mostly for fun thourh Pshft. "mostly for fun". Lame. :P You should seriously look at some of our "fun". :P There have been some interesting suggestions that have been made known in this room. ;) Keep us for "fun", but just know that we are way cooler than the scouts over in The Barbershoppe ;) *jerks thumb in the general direction of the BS* ;) I mean, look at their abbreviation. :P It's BS because of the high amount of bullsh*t that goes through there. :P Don't make me steal your rep tool!
Noooo :( *clutches it tight* This is the only thing that I'm good at in this game. xD
I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed
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Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
529
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Posted - 2015.04.28 10:39:00 -
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I was excited about this thread to help logi's but after talking to CCP Rattiti on Biomassed podcast. I believe I am now wasting my time as New Equipment is way down on the list of what they can do.Good luck Cross with Triage Ward ,I had hopes for it. |
MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
2858
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Posted - 2015.04.28 10:57:00 -
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Luther Mandrix wrote:I was excited about this thread to help logi's but after talking to CCP Rattiti on Biomassed podcast. I believe I am now wasting my time as New Equipment is way down on the list of what they can do.Good luck Cross with Triage Ward ,I had hopes for it.
Just because we're not getting new equipment in the foreseeable future doesn't mean that the triage ward community is 'useless' or not worth the effort. Logi talks (and maybe some commando talks) should be coming up soon and experienced, well-reasoned, knowledgeable feedback is important.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Sned TheDead
Failures inc.
279
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:05:00 -
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Crazy Cat Lady wrote:[ Skin Modules]
Yellow is sooo last season.
Do we have word on the availability of skin modules for logis?
but but but.....
I like being a bumble bee...
not to say if I had a skin of logibros I wouldn't use ito on every suit I have....
But I do like my black and yellow....
Cleaning up the mess everyone leaves behind :)
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4607
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:20:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Luther Mandrix wrote:I was excited about this thread to help logi's but after talking to CCP Rattiti on Biomassed podcast. I believe I am now wasting my time as New Equipment is way down on the list of what they can do.Good luck Cross with Triage Ward ,I had hopes for it. Just because we're not getting new equipment in the foreseeable future doesn't mean that the triage ward community is 'useless' or not worth the effort. Logi talks (and maybe some commando talks) should be coming up soon and experienced, well-reasoned, knowledgeable feedback is important.
Yep, there's a lot to be done (and better done as a community) regardless of where adding new items to the game (equipment or otherwise) sits on the priority tree.
I want new gear in the game no question, but there's a lot to be said for polished balance, higher baseline performance (not just frames per second but also UI related issues) et al
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Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
529
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Posted - 2015.04.28 16:54:00 -
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 MINA Longstrike wrote:Luther Mandrix wrote:I was excited about this thread to help logi's but after talking to CCP Rattiti on Biomassed podcast. I believe I am now wasting my time as New Equipment is way down on the list of what they can do.Good luck Cross with Triage Ward ,I had hopes for it. Just because we're not getting new equipment in the foreseeable future doesn't mean that the triage ward community is 'useless' or not worth the effort. Logi talks (and maybe some commando talks) should be coming up soon and experienced, well-reasoned, knowledgeable feedback is important.
Ok I'll take a chill pill and pull myself out of the sewer of disappointment and take a sip of hope and and wash myself clean in the good word of the cpm |
shaman oga
Dead Man's Game
4530
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Posted - 2015.04.28 21:39:00 -
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Agreed, there is still a lot of work to do on logi, the main point now is how to make them more enjoyable without making them desirable for slayer roles.
Shifted in time, your tomorrow, my today.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
9838
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Posted - 2015.04.29 01:31:00 -
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Regarding the new payout possibilities of x% gear personally lost and y% gear personally destroyed:
So a logi following a sentinel would not only prevent that Sentinel from dying faster (or losing his gear if he were revived), but also help him destroy more gear because of his increased ability to stay in a fight and kill, but wouldn't share in the spoils of that system?
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Booby Tuesdays
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
1561
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Posted - 2015.04.29 03:29:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I will be keepin irregular tabs on this thread, mostly for fun thourh
Where is our cat picture in the actual 85 page and counting CPM Logi Thread?!?! 
IF YOU CAN READ THIS
YOU DON'T NEED GLASSES
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4631
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Posted - 2015.04.29 03:39:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Regarding the new payout possibilities of x% gear personally lost and y% gear personally destroyed:
So a logi following a sentinel would not only prevent that Sentinel from dying faster (or losing his gear if he were revived), but also help him destroy more gear because of his increased ability to stay in a fight and kill, but wouldn't share in the spoils of that system?
Correct, however the logi in the context is repping, reviving and resupplying his battle buddy and therefore is still getting payed for his actions. This becomes even more properly executed if/when scanners reward for team intel kills and shield rep tools are a thing.
With these new changes in (if they are added) I see more reason for slayers to "go hard" in matches even ones where they aren't ahead. More reason for support and slayers to stick in the fight even when taking heavy losses.
No further reason for complaints that non-support roles "aren't rewarded enough".
No further reason for support logi (and I think AV as well) to be concerned about the earnings gap, since we have damage points for AV now (and in theory will be getting some mitigation to the fit costs for logi with the new rework, if my proposals are signed off on as part of the hotfix).
0.02 ISK
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1535
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Posted - 2015.04.29 03:47:00 -
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Just wanted to share the Rattati conversation we had on our 1yr anniversary episode on Biomassed.
Pretty fun chat and we did dive into Logi play with Rattati...some cool insights. I'm fairly optimistic after the discussion that the Logi set will be in noticeably better shape. The updates should be coming to a Hotfix in the near future.
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
Skype: jaysyn.larrisen
Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
2879
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Posted - 2015.04.29 03:51:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Regarding the new payout possibilities of x% gear personally lost and y% gear personally destroyed:
So a logi following a sentinel would not only prevent that Sentinel from dying faster (or losing his gear if he were revived), but also help him destroy more gear because of his increased ability to stay in a fight and kill, but wouldn't share in the spoils of that system?
A dedicated support logi can already rack quite big warpoint totals and payouts. Some of my best matches as a logi ended up being at about 5000 warpoints supporting a single friend. I've found it a bit harder to pull the same out of attempting to support a whole team (via a callogi), but I've come close-ish.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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sir RAVEN WING
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Posted - 2015.04.29 03:59:00 -
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Am I late for the greeting party?
Anyways, hello all you logis, I would like to thank you for the large amounts of WP you supplied me with in the days of the HMG heavies. Much respect to those who chased their chubbies to the grave. 
I might switch over to my Logi alt for posting on here.
"Amarr = Armarr Tanks" - Sir Raven Wing
Day 1/30 Calscout Knifer.
I will have my own thread one day, you'll see
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shaman oga
Dead Man's Game
4532
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Posted - 2015.04.29 10:14:00 -
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How many of you use proxy mines?
I have one dedicated fit with adv and pro proxy and an hive (the hive will go when they will mutiply pro).
I like setting traps, but it's not much rewarding for various reasons:
1) It takes time to drop all those proxy
2) Effective only in narrow pathways
3) Damage of a single proxy is kinda meh
My suggestion to solve point 1 is to let us drop proxy at group of 2-3 at 2 or 3 meters one from the other.
To solve point 2 and 3 it would be cool if explosion could influence each other like in FW.
In this way proxy would be an effective way to block paths.
Shifted in time, your tomorrow, my today.
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