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Cross Atu wrote:

Adipem Nothi wrote:

Booby Tuesdays wrote:

Butt hurt TryHards want the Logi nerfed after it finally receives the buffs we've been fighting for, for over a year. Got it.

Scouts waited a year for 1.8. We absolutely needed to be nerfed afterwards. With all due respect, I'd be thinking about contingencies if I were in your shoes. Just in case :-)

@ Cross
On the topic of contingencies ... if GalLogi usage were to go up, GalScout usage would follow. The uparmored "Assault Lite" which would follow wouldn't be as potent as in the past, but it could still potentially pose utilization and efficiency problems. In the unlikely event that this happens, I'd recommend we respond immediately by increasing mobility penalties on plates (ferro included) when equipped by Scouts.

Indeed, honestly moments like this (when combined with all the feedback in the Speed/eHP thread... yes I've read every post in there...

) makes me think perhaps CCP should just normalize strafe speed across the boards (or something closer to it) and pull it back to nearer the ~60% levels of prior builds.

If it is indeed the "wiggle dance" that is so combat potent that it can define what is the best slayer suit (as is being suggested by various players on the forums and off), and it is also widely acknowledged that it is a form of breaking the in game hit detection, then isn't it time to take that tool off the table for everyone?

But saying that, even here, seems like it's just lighting a fuse and waiting to be flamed Lol


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Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 1330	Posted - 2015.04.19 17:51:00 - [1] - Quote But but but... the locker room is gross and stinks of sweat and... other things. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 1331	Posted - 2015.04.19 19:05:00 - [2] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Sned TheDead wrote: Am I correct in saying that this is a gathering place for logies, and if so : how do I join? Yes, you got it Joining requires nothing more than participation (with a focus on a absence of trolling beyond good natured banter). Welcome to the Ward. Oh and don't worry, the quite guys next door are only sometimes creepy ...only sometimes? Lurking in dark corners, obsessively sharpening knives, nothing creepy about them at all... waves a scanner around OK, we might be good for now... Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 1333	Posted - 2015.04.19 19:28:00 - [3] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Zaria Min Deir wrote: Some Margin of Error One Eyed King wrote: Scan Attempt Prevented I SAID MIGHT BE! :P Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 1335	Posted - 2015.04.19 19:53:00 - [4] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Besides, its really those Anime peeps you have to worry about. Especially if you see them running around with tentacles. O.o Are you trying to give me nightmares? The things that cannot be unseen... shudder Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 1340	Posted - 2015.04.20 10:34:00 - [5] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Zaria Min Deir wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Besides, its really those Anime peeps you have to worry about. Especially if you see them running around with tentacles. O.o Are you trying to give me nightmares? The things that cannot be unseen... shudder ...Did someone let Jenza in here with linking privileges? No, please no. The anime folks would be bad enough, but that... O.O Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 1343	Posted - 2015.04.20 17:25:00 - [6] - Quote Logistics Vehicles, with a choice of infantry support modules (resupply AoE, repair AoE, mCRU etc.) on top of the lock on repair for vehicles. Maybe they can be given padded bumpers to avoid them being used for road kills? "Excuse me, medic coming through!" But I want my LLAV back!!! Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 1344	Posted - 2015.04.20 19:19:00 - [7] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Only 510 pages to go.. ...until we get a pony? \o/ Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 1356	Posted - 2015.04.23 13:10:00 - [8] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: I made a thing, someone told me it's called blogging... is it? Well, by a very loose definition? Ooooh, shiny words! Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 1369	Posted - 2015.04.25 23:42:00 - [9] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Edit: Putting together a G/1 variation ... Scanner Logi G/1 (59k) HS: Cmp Precision (x2) LS: Cmp Reactive (x3) PW: Dren Assault Rifle GR: M/1 Locus EQ: X-3 Hive, Creodron Active Scanner (x3) G/1 has 3 equipment slots, so you mean Creodron Active Scanner x2, right? Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 1389	Posted - 2015.05.11 22:33:00 - [10] - Quote Kaeru Nayiri wrote: Somebody hook me up with some NANITESSSSSSSS /twitches I NEED IT D: ...so delicious...... Sir, how can we be of assistance? If you are suffering from nanite deficiency, I suggest basking in the gentle glow of a nanohive bath to take the edge off. If your symptoms are severe enough, we can consider treatment with a nanite injector, but there are some risks involved... I will need you to sign some consent forms first, sir. Then we can get to work Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"

Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 1395	Posted - 2015.05.12 15:13:00 - [11] - Quote The numbers look about right to me, except I can't parse the difference between my play experience and what the numbers claim as far as the Min assault is concerned... I guess the maybe difference between an optimally fitted (played to its and the current meta's strengths) and a sub-optimally fitted Min assault is larger than with the other suits, people running around with the suit (because they heard it was so good) without the necessary skills to support it or understanding how to make it work are lowering the average score? Or, alternatively, I just happen to be in the specific matchmaking bracket that has all the above average Min assaults, and that is why my view of the suit is skewed... O.o The Caldari suits overperforming in most classes is obviously at least partly due to the natural cowardice of the Caldari and thus them being more likely to snipe... ;) And the Cal logi is easy enough to figure out... CORE LOCUS SPAM. That ends my totally objective, indepth analysis of the data in question. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 1407	Posted - 2015.05.12 19:44:00 - [12] - Quote Kaeru Nayiri wrote: Booby Tuesdays wrote: [...] The fact that my Minmatar Marine SKIN doesn't cover up my Republic Shaman bright gold in my merc quarters makes me sad. Reeally?? T_________T that's not cool :( This fills me with great sorrow, too :( Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 1415	Posted - 2015.05.16 11:01:00 - [13] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: I will sacrifice many donuts, pizza rolls and scouts to the cause of logis becoming more fun to play. CROSS PUSH THIS AGENDA! He is too busy pushing my agendas to push yours! :P ...though logis are on my list of agendas too, so I guess there is reasonable overlap. CROSS PUSH OUR AGENDA! Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.05.30 07:20:00 - [14] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Booby Tuesdays wrote: Butt hurt TryHards want the Logi nerfed after it finally receives the buffs we've been fighting for, for over a year. Got it. Scouts waited a year for 1.8. We absolutely needed to be nerfed afterwards. With all due respect, I'd be thinking about contingencies if I were in your shoes. Just in case :-) @ Cross On the topic of contingencies ... if GalLogi usage were to go up, GalScout usage would follow. The uparmored "Assault Lite" which would follow wouldn't be as potent as in the past, but it could still potentially pose utilization and efficiency problems. In the unlikely event that this happens, I'd recommend we respond immediately by increasing mobility penalties on plates (ferro included) when equipped by Scouts. Indeed, honestly moments like this (when combined with all the feedback in the Speed/eHP thread... yes I've read every post in there... ) makes me think perhaps CCP should just normalize strafe speed across the boards (or something closer to it) and pull it back to nearer the ~60% levels of prior builds. If it is indeed the "wiggle dance" that is so combat potent that it can define what is the best slayer suit (as is being suggested by various players on the forums and off), and it is also widely acknowledged that it is a form of breaking the in game hit detection, then isn't it time to take that tool off the table for everyone? But saying that, even here, seems like it's just lighting a fuse and waiting to be flamed hands Cross more tinder Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.06.24 18:53:00 - [15] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Very interested to see what everyone has to say about game play under the new changes. Let's get some impressions and discussions going in here In a nutshell. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.07.09 01:12:00 - [16] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Ok, so I am thinking of skilling into the Min Logi, and I know very little about Logis. What is it geared towards? What are its weaknesses? How would you run it? Any insight would be helpful. Well, the bonus is to a reptool, so the easiest answer is... a rep/support Logi. That is not the only answer, or the whole answer, but it is a place to start. I seem to remember you run a scout primarily? As such, are you interested in the Min logi specifically due to it having higher base speed that the other logis? If so, you will obviously want to optimise that advantage. Even after the recent nerf, it still has nice stamina regen, which helps with mobility. The Min suits can really be run in so many different ways, they lend themselves to at least armour, speed or hybrid tanking easily enough, but in my opinion the innate shield regen values can make pure shield tanking somewhat frustrating. I personally tend to mainly go for a mix of regen and speed tanking over HP bricking, depending on the purpose of the fit obviously. One of the most common Minlogi "standards" is probably the fairly mobile frontline medic type. Not really speedtanked, as you will lack the survivability to really perform as a combat support in that case, but not bricking to be a sitting duck either. Reptool, needle, hives, whatever else you deem useful fo the fourth slot, stick to a couple of team or squad mates and support them pushing/defending an objective while watching the flanks. If you plan to ignore the reptool bonus and not run one, focusing more on the speed lends itself really well to a demolition/uplink patrol logi. RE/ Proxy traps where applicable, or a fit with a set or two of uplinks, where you stay out of the thick of the battle, but rather use your mobility to circle the battle and clear enemy links and place your own, swooping in to needle people or thow ammo at friendlies as needed. Massdriver is lovely for clearing out enemy equipment ;) Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.07.19 01:45:00 - [17] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: My Cal Heavy and Cal Sent tend to fare better without dual tanking, though I play these units from long range (I doubt they'd hold up very well if I didn't). Pardon this fatties interruption, but the Cal Sent does work well at close range if you gear you fit more to regen rather than high HP. Use the cover to your advantage, drop in for a few seconds and pop out for a few shots before popping back in. If you sacrifice HP, you can hit a recharge off well over 100hp/s with short delays (2.46 for delay, 0.62 for depleted) YMMV on this, if this isn't your playstyle. Aaaannnndddd now I want to proto that out too, well done So, I was bored today, and went min sentinel 5 and hmg pro 5... :D Running for CPM2
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.07.19 04:03:00 - [18] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Zaria Min Deir wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: My Cal Heavy and Cal Sent tend to fare better without dual tanking, though I play these units from long range (I doubt they'd hold up very well if I didn't). Pardon this fatties interruption, but the Cal Sent does work well at close range if you gear you fit more to regen rather than high HP. Use the cover to your advantage, drop in for a few seconds and pop out for a few shots before popping back in. If you sacrifice HP, you can hit a recharge off well over 100hp/s with short delays (2.46 for delay, 0.62 for depleted) YMMV on this, if this isn't your playstyle. Aaaannnndddd now I want to proto that out too, well done So, I was bored today, and went min sentinel 5 and hmg pro 5... :D Now we'll be able to flip heavy/logi on any given spawn when paired Which reminds me, totally not enough squads with you lately Well, if you, like, stopped being so busy with important real life stuff and even more important CPM stuff, you could occasionally play with us mere mortals... Running for CPM2
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.08.11 14:00:00 - [19] - Quote Sned TheDead wrote: So, I was wondering, now that I have (finally) gotten my proto scout what logi I should skill into next. I am leaning towards the cal logi, but I thought I would ask for your opinions before I make a move, because I am pretty sure that you guys know more about this than I do. Opinions, or thoughts? Any particular reason you're thinking Cal logi? I mean, if you're dead set on wanting to shield tank a suit, then the Cal is the way to go... but I can't really think of any other upsides :/ There are reasons why Cal logis are basically unicorns nowadays. Running for CPM2 zariamindeir on Twitter&Gmail
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.09.04 16:52:00 - [20] - Quote nyghthawke cox wrote: Booby Tuesdays wrote: I have a question... Why has my K/D skyrocketed by switching to Cal Logi with an Advanced Rail Rifle? I only have it skilled to 4, no proficiency, and no damage mods. I still pop in and out of cover like I used to. I still support the team like I used to. I haven't changed my play style at all. All I changed was the dropsuit (which is skilled to 4), the gun (from MD/CR to RR, also level 4), and the grenade (locus from flux). Is the Cal Logi that much better suited to a solo player? Or have I just magically been able to hit the broadside of a barn lately? some suits have bonuses for certain weapons. Logis have no bonuses for any weapons. Booby, it is entirely possible that the callogi and the RR just simply suit your preferred style of play better, and thus give better results. Now, the rail rifles are actually quite good in various situations, the range advantage at least helps you out a lot if you play to that. And the Cal suits are very well suited for the pop in and out of cover style of play :) And your KD skyrocketing... Do I remember correctly you used the MD a lot before? If that is the case, you'd have noticed a major increase in kills when switching to any rifle. The MD is a fine support weapon, and if you can stay on high ground, and excellent supression tool, but on the ground, where I'd assume you were based on playing an actual support logi, you're simply not going to be racking up kills the way a rifle user can under most circumstances. zariamindeir on Twitter&Gmail

Zaria Min Deir TeamPlayers 1	Posted - 2015.11.07 16:55:00 - [21] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: o/ Logis Looking for hotfix-friendly ideas for appending the CalLogi racial bonus. If possible, would like the bonus to affect needles. Ideas so far: * Revived targets resist X% incoming damage per level for Y seconds following revive * On revive, restore X% target shield heath for Y% more warpoints Any other ideas, gents? Any thoughts on the ideas presented? Needles already restore shields, so the second one is a bit pointless. The first one... a revive providing an "overshield" or a short term damage resistance would be fantastic, as carrying a nanite injector might actually be more than marginally useful again (as most people currently will not ask for a revive no matter what the situation)... I personally think that should either be a function of the injectors themselves, or available to all logis, not just a racial bonus, if it is introduced at all, though perhaps better efficacy for the caldari logi would be fine. zariamindeir on Twitter&Gmail