I am seriously tempted to make a video about why shield transporters should never be a thing for infantry because of how broken they would be.

Either they wouldn't do anything because shield tanking is wierd, or they'd be horribly unbelievably broken.

Have the min proto, have for a while.

as for the others I was thinking about the gal as well, but its bonus's don't speak to me.

I normally do run a scanner, but I am god awful at using them, though I perhaps should try to get better.

Either they wouldn't do anything because shield tanking is wierd, or they'd be horribly unbelievably broken.

Don't get me wrong shield tanking has some serious gamebreaking drawbacks that leave it pretty underpowered IMO... however at the same time when shield tanking IS working it really isn't far off from where it needs to be.

One of my biggest issues is that ferroscale plates exist for armor, because they essentially are shield extenders... but they cost less and have no downsides. The other one is that an armor tank on low hp (~100) can duck into cover, get 200 shields and potentially still fight, but a shield tanker doesn't have nearly the same options - if you lose armor it's gone for a long time.

Hp = Hp
Armor hp = higher health totals, lower costs per point of health than shield, constant 'low' values of uninterruptible repair, the option to fit modules that have no downsides, less slots required for fully functioning tank, better associated utility mods (myo's / damage mods in highs, with the option to fit a lowslot mod because of that lower slot requirement), the ability to have your repair remotely augmented by other players (rep tools / triage hives), significant upfront buffer from shields (aka quick regenerating secondary resource), higher general health totals.

but shield hp = higher cost per point of health, more slots required for a fully functioning tank, potentially higher recovery rate (If you're not plinked at - and no the shield inhibition values do nothing unless whoever is shooting at you is around 150-170m away) and shields are instantly nuked by fluxes, devastating cpu / pg costs, lower total health values, cannot be remotely augmented by other players, armor values not significant and take extreme lengths of time to recover (insignificant, slowly regenerating secondary resource), less good utility mods (and often no ability to fit them because of shields being overcosted).

And then there's the issue of proportional damage, where weapons that are good against shields are also the highest dps weapons in the game... so we get situations like 900-1000 dps weapons against smaller health pools. If there were an anti-armor weapon that was proportionally as powerful in terms of TTK, it would be doing 1600-2000 dps vs armor.


I feel like I'm rambling now, but yeah, a big problem IMO is that these two styles of tanking don't function independently of each other. It feels like armor is the presumed default tanking method (and for a while it was because there was no native armor repair on dropsuits) and shields were something secondary and 'other', designed to be a buffer for armor.

Gentlemen I must respectfully but amendment disagree with you both.

Question, An orange sparkle on a vehicle is what exactly? Can flux attacks go through the roof of a building? We lost all of our droplinks and everything we had in the room around the Alpha objective for the domination match.

On a side note, planning on building a commando with mass driver and assault rifle for bait and tackle setups on objectives while carrying droplinks to give a doorway for friendlies.

Gentlemen I must respectfully but amendment disagree with you both.

Question, An orange sparkle on a vehicle is what exactly?

Armor Hardener active ?

Finally it is worth mentioning that I have seen several proposed iterations of possible shield reps, so while one method may have been voiced more commonly in certain contexts I'd still firmly assert that discussion of the topic is worthwhile even if certain methods may be able to be discounted.

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The problem with shield transporters on infantry:

-Shield recharge values can get ridiculous, so there isn't one simple way to design the function of the equipment.
-Armor is still able to regen while shields are being shot at.
-Shields are able to provide a small buffer if able to be recharged while shot at, further increasing the ability of any passive armor reps.

Therefore:
-A repair tool that helps shields regen in any way is out of the question, because DPS that finally got through the shields would be negated by the armor repair the second another layer of shields popped up.

-A transporter tool that negates the delay to 0 would instantly put up a layer of shields as soon as shields hit 0. A delay of anything higher than about 0.5 and it won't do anything under direct fire from an automatic weapon. Think of a Caldari Sentinel with its 1 second depleted delay.

-A transporter tool that functioned like a repair tool would either be useless (only working while shields would recharge on a suit naturally, amplifying shield recharge while out of combat), or would only be useful while an ally is under fire.

Which then makes it just a less effective repair tool unless the recharge numbers were much higher than a repair tool, giving out possible shield recharges of 200+

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The way everyone wants it to function (at least the way that I see everyone propose it), is that it negates the shield recharge delay.

With current mechanics it's just not possible to implement it like that without it being OP or UP.

So, I was wondering, now that I have (finally) gotten my proto scout what logi I should skill into next.

I am leaning towards the cal logi, but I thought I would ask for your opinions before I make a move, because I am pretty sure that you guys know more about this than I do.

Opinions, or thoughts?

Not sure about the orange sparkle.
Flux nades can indeed go through walls and the roof so they could be the cause of your equipment loss.
That sounds like a solid commando fit.

Armor Hardener active ?

I would love to see a transporter tool in the game that was fair and fit well in the game.

The average "idea person" just needs to understand why certain proposals need to be evaluated more.
Sure, most of the stuff I'm talking about is speculation, and it could be that certain mechanics would work differently in-game than on paper.

But while a shield rep tool would be awesome, there's a lot more to it than just modifying a current repair tool to rep shields instead of armor. My point is simply to make "idea people" aware of the issues so that they can be discussed PROPERLY

You know, instead of everyone supporting an idea just because it sounds like a good idea :P

I would love to see a transporter tool in the game that was fair and fit well in the game.

The average "idea person" just needs to understand why certain proposals need to be evaluated more.
Sure, most of the stuff I'm talking about is speculation, and it could be that certain mechanics would work differently in-game than on paper.

But while a shield rep tool would be awesome, there's a lot more to it than just modifying a current repair tool to rep shields instead of armor. My point is simply to make "idea people" aware of the issues so that they can be discussed PROPERLY

You know, instead of everyone supporting an idea just because it sounds like a good idea :P

What about a phase type situation where it is a passive suit module that Joins the mods suit shields with those who have depleted shields and the suits shields level out where the giver loses some shielding so that the long delay time of depleted shields is negated so that the receivers suits quickly replenishes lost shields. It allows for a shield logi to run around the field and boost shields of others while still being able to fire. Thought about this when I heard many Eve pilots complaining about cloakers. It is part of a phase system that would first apply to cloakers but then move to shields so that Ships that had to drop shields to fire could at least fire pure energy weapons to help defend themselves and others better. Just a thought.

We could have the shield rep tool be like an inverse flux nade. When the logi triggers it, all suits within X Meters are recharged for Y shield hp. Cooldown of Z seconds.

Very clever. +1

Hey guys I made a logi.

Logistics Ck.0

4 Complex Shield Extenders
1 Complex Shield Energizer
2 Basic Shield Regulators
1 Basic CPU Upgrade

Ishukone ARR
Core Locus Grenades

Lai Dai Flux Repair Tool
Allotek Nanohive
Viziam Flux Drop Uplinks
Nanite Injector

Shields: 500 HP
Armor: 112 HP
CPU: 590/594
PG: 102/102
Cost: 200,000 ISK


So as you can see the build is maximized to the ****. I chose the repair tool with the most range, the nanohive with both ammo/triage rates, the fastest drop uplinks and a basic injector for low CPU/PG consumption.

Are these good options? Or should I use the tool with the most dropsuit armor repair? I know the Caldari isn't the best logi, but it's the one I wanna use. Shield regen and delay feels ok: 45 HP/s and around 3s of delay.

Hmm... The better the needle the more your ally has for survivability on revive... I'd say get the needle to Proto also maybe get rid of the cores... Maybe exchange them for flux nades...? Or just don't have a grenade...

Hi Everyone,

I just passed by to say THANK YOU VERY MUCH for the Logi guide. For someone who has a really bad aim, the Logi Code gave me a new purpose after my first month of struggle here in the game. I won't be where I am now and could not have accomplished the things I have done without being a logi . Right now, I am 2 and a half months in game having 11M SP, 100k LP in Amarr, nearing my 200M ISK target, and won the Immortal Guides event last June of having the most contributed WP to the Corp all due to the Militia Medic and Adv Logi suits.

Again, I cannot say THANK YOU enough. If you ever run into me in Pubs or FW, rest assured that I am always behind everyone with a rep tool at hand.

Regards,
Leor