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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1533
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Posted - 2015.04.20 03:10:00 -
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Howdy folks.
Glad to see we got this going and should be good for a jab and laugh...like most of my pickups. 
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
Skype: jaysyn.larrisen
Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
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Sned TheDead
Failures inc.
267
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Posted - 2015.04.20 03:22:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Howdy folks. Glad to see we got this going and should be good for a jab and laugh...like most of my pickups.
hahaha.... haha..... ha.........
don't I know that feeling.....
*you seem to notice tears in the eye of this clean-shaven merc*
We will remember....
We will always remember....
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5955
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Posted - 2015.04.20 04:15:00 -
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This is exactly the kind of thing we need to see more of. This is a prime example of the kinds of focus groups I talked about in my recent blog post on Biomassed.net
Keep it up guys. I'm by no means a Logistics expert but I will certainty be lurking and posting from time to time. Get that good feedback going!
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast & Blog
www.biomassed.net
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
18367
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Posted - 2015.04.20 04:45:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:This is exactly the kind of thing we need to see more of. This is a prime example of the kinds of focus groups I talked about in my recent blog post on Biomassed.net Keep it up guys. I'm by no means a Logistics expert but I will certainty be lurking and posting from time to time. Get that good feedback going!
Pokey you think it would be a good idea to start a tank based focus group...........................
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............................ Yeah neither did I. 
GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥
-The Nameless City
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4399
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Posted - 2015.04.20 04:46:00 -
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Zaria Min Deir wrote:One Eyed King wrote:
Besides, its really those Anime peeps you have to worry about.
Especially if you see them running around with tentacles.
O.o Are you trying to give me nightmares? The things that cannot be unseen... *shudder*
...Did someone let Jenza in here with linking privileges? 
CPM 1 mail me your feedback and remember to have fun!
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4399
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Posted - 2015.04.20 04:47:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:This is exactly the kind of thing we need to see more of. This is a prime example of the kinds of focus groups I talked about in my recent blog post on Biomassed.net Keep it up guys. I'm by no means a Logistics expert but I will certainty be lurking and posting from time to time. Get that good feedback going! Pokey you think it would be a good idea to start a tank based focus group........................... ............................ ............................ ............................ ............................ ............................ Yeah neither did I.
Didn't he kind of already do that... and then catch fire... and then explode...
......or, you know, something?
CPM 1 mail me your feedback and remember to have fun!
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Aiwha Bait
Demonic Cowboys
112
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Posted - 2015.04.20 04:47:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Howdy folks. Glad to see we got this going and should be good for a jab and laugh...like most of my pickups.
All my pickups are pricks with dirty needles. :/ No laughing from the lucky soul who got the pick. :/
I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
18367
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Posted - 2015.04.20 04:53:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:True Adamance wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:This is exactly the kind of thing we need to see more of. This is a prime example of the kinds of focus groups I talked about in my recent blog post on Biomassed.net Keep it up guys. I'm by no means a Logistics expert but I will certainty be lurking and posting from time to time. Get that good feedback going! Pokey you think it would be a good idea to start a tank based focus group........................... ............................ ............................ ............................ ............................ ............................ Yeah neither did I. Didn't he kind of already do that... and then catch fire... and then explode... ......or, you know, something?
I don't know that anyone has been brave enough to attempt it. I keep telling people the reason I drive tanks is to kill other tankers because I hate us vehicle pilots so much it's not even funny.
But back to the topic at hand..... never liked the HP support character. I always liked the demolition class logistics roles in other games. Rockets, explosions, SMG's, etc.
However I never really got into that in Dust. Intended to when the Cal Logi was released but I thought it was getting its own skin not a bloody yellow and black scheme. The goal was to be an auxillary rifleman, ammo, explosives, etc supporter with heavy EWAR capabilities like Quick Hacks, Radar Dish like scans, etc.
Never eventuated because Caldari are stupid.
GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥
-The Nameless City
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Aiwha Bait
Demonic Cowboys
112
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Posted - 2015.04.20 05:00:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Cross Atu wrote:True Adamance wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:This is exactly the kind of thing we need to see more of. This is a prime example of the kinds of focus groups I talked about in my recent blog post on Biomassed.net Keep it up guys. I'm by no means a Logistics expert but I will certainty be lurking and posting from time to time. Get that good feedback going! Pokey you think it would be a good idea to start a tank based focus group........................... ............................ ............................ ............................ ............................ ............................ Yeah neither did I. Didn't he kind of already do that... and then catch fire... and then explode... ......or, you know, something? I don't know that anyone has been brave enough to attempt it. I keep telling people the reason I drive tanks is to kill other tankers because I hate us vehicle pilots so much it's not even funny. But back to the topic at hand..... never liked the HP support character. I always liked the demolition class logistics roles in other games. Rockets, explosions, SMG's, etc. However I never really got into that in Dust. Intended to when the Cal Logi was released but I thought it was getting its own skin not a bloody yellow and black scheme. The goal was to be an auxillary rifleman, ammo, explosives, etc supporter with heavy EWAR capabilities like Quick Hacks, Radar Dish like scans, etc. Never eventuated because Caldari are stupid.
Least the scummy Amarr agrees that Caldari are stupid. :P :D ;)
I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed
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I-Shayz-I
I----------I
5370
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Posted - 2015.04.20 05:12:00 -
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What if logistics was a support role where you had to drive a big truck and deliver packages to people on the battlefield.
Thoughts?
7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
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Aiwha Bait
Demonic Cowboys
113
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Posted - 2015.04.20 05:14:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:What if logistics was a support role where you had to drive a big truck and deliver packages to people on the battlefield.
Thoughts?
We <3 logistics
I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
8978
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Posted - 2015.04.20 05:35:00 -
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Response to Post #29 - I wouldn't say "easy mode", but I will say that GalLogi scans are generating massive return at relatively low risk. Took me awhile to dig these posts up, but here we go ... a brief history on Risk and Scans :-)
Chapter 1 - HF Charlie
Leading up to HF Charlie, it was a design goal of Rattati's to ensure that intense precision scans came at risk to their user. At the time, the CA Scout's long-range, high intensity scans were too effective at keeping him safe, his shared squad sight was paying dividends disproportionate with risk, and his regular use in PC was putting too much pressure on the MN Scout, who (following cloak's active damp bonus removal) was unable to beat the CalScout's scans. CalScout scans were simply too strong and had to be nerfed. Meanwhile, the AM Scout (as is again the case today) had no meaningful, competitive edge and was underutilized. Rattati set out to fix both problems at once by setting the AM Scout up with the CA Scout's precision bonus. The idea was simple. The AM Scout would excel in short-range / high-intensity scans, and the CA Scout would excel in long-range / low-intensity scans. Assuming the units were optimized for competitive recon (precision+range), neither unit would be heavily tanked or damp'd; in other words, running squad recon was to be risky by design.
CCP Rattati wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:On the Amarr scout: I think that precision will be very, very strong on this because there's pretty much nothing else you'd put in the highslots other than precision amps. Essentially that means that every Amarr scout will be scanning with a baseline of 20dB, which is very strong considering you can do that whilst having a strong tank. A profile penalty won't dissuade that kind of tanking either, because it's likely that a lot of Amarr scouts will decide to toss aside stealth and just use it as a combat suit with a powerful scanner. Very slow, short range, scanner at 20dB which can be evaded by all scouts at some effort, not maximum, and seen by everyone, esp CA scouts that then can engage before the Amarr sees him. Doesn't seem to break anything.
Source
Chapter 2 - Cloakblind
We (the Barbershop) were wrong to have had doubts about Rattati's plan. HF Charlie's EWAR changes were a huge success, and we as a class -- for the first time since Chromosome -- achieved Racial Parity. CA Scout usage declined; AM Scout usage increased; MN Scouts returned to PC. But all was not well. It was also in HF Charlie that Assaults received a massive buff in the form of a significant HP increase and +1 slot/pg/cpu. Everyone expected that this would be the build where Assault usage rates would jump and Scout usage rates would finally decline. But the slayer migration did not materialize. The slayers were content to stick with their Assault Lite (uparmored GA/CA Scouts), and class kill/spawn efficiency remained disproportionately high. We suspected that target selection from the relative safety of cloak might be a major factor in kill/spawn efficiency. Noting that Cloak was prewired to dynamically alter an EWAR stat, Haerr wondered aloud one day [paraphrased] "I wonder if the cloak bonus could be rewired to point to Scan Range instead of Scan Profile? If so, we could disable our ability to scan while cloaked. It'd be like submarine warfare." Cloakblind was born that day, and introduced soon after as a means by which to increase risk factors for Scouts.
CCP Rattati wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:
I believe it was Rattati that said he liked the idea of being cloaked dropping your scan radius to 0m. That would be a new penalty for cloaking. Don't ask me what thread it was in, but it was Features and Ideas.
It was in the Barbershop, and something like that is happening. Not zero, but cloaked scouts will not be able to know where everyone is in a 30m radius and pick the most vulnerable target or provide passive scans for their squad while cloaked. Cloak has been too risk-free since 1.8 and you all know how we feel about risk free playstyles.
Chapter 3 - Falloff
Fast forward to immediately prior to Falloff. Competitive CA/AM Recon Scouts came in similar flavors to those introduced in HF Charlie. Their scans were powerful, but the units themselves were extremely squishy and easily dispatched; they weighed in around 300HP, they were prone to being scanned, unable to participate meaningfully in combat, unable to defend themselves or escape when spotted, unable to serve in any capacity other than recon, always short on WP (passives are non-pay), and totally useless to their squad should they stray too far from the action or activate cloak. Theirs was a largely thankless, low-pay and low-glory job, but it was nonetheless extremely risky.
High-risk, low-reward (shared x5) intense scans:
18dB-24dB, 60-90m, 360-¦, always on.
Then one day, EWAR Scouts were declared OP and replaced by GalLogi's wielding a variety of 21dB scanners.
Low-risk, high-reward (shared x15 w/ directional intel) intense scans:
21dB, 200m, 90-¦, always on at 3 or more (Creodron Flux)
21dB, 100m, 60-¦, always on at 2 or more (Creodron)
21dB, 100m, 60-¦, always on at 2 or more (Duvolle Quantum)
21dB, 60m, 45-¦, always on at 1 or more (Creodron Proximity)
Permascanning a PC socket at low dB once required significant investment, as each squad needed one or more dedicated recon units. What used to require 4+ units can now be accomplished with 1-2 units. From 200m out. In my book, that's high reward at low risk.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5957
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Posted - 2015.04.20 05:46:00 -
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True, while my huevos may be large, even I fear the carnage that a vehicle focus group would contain. Would basically have to have the mods watching it full time to keep the idiots out. Not opposed to the idea but its more of a headache than I want to personally deal with at this moment.
As for the demolitions role of Logistics....totally with you there. I think all too often people pidgeonhole the Logistics role as being "healing only" but the role, in my mind, extends far beyond that.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast & Blog
www.biomassed.net
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
18369
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Posted - 2015.04.20 06:08:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:True, while my huevos may be large, even I fear the carnage that a vehicle focus group would contain. Would basically have to have the mods watching it full time to keep the idiots out. Not opposed to the idea but its more of a headache than I want to personally deal with at this moment.
As for the demolitions role of Logistics....totally with you there. I think all too often people pidgeonhole the Logistics role as being "healing only" but the role, in my mind, extends far beyond that.
If there were game modes that revolved around protection/demolition of specific objectives I'd be all over the Logi Role as a proper engineer..... I hower just don't like playing the Medic role.
GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥
-The Nameless City
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
8978
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Posted - 2015.04.20 06:30:00 -
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Ran out of room in Post #42 ...
Chapter 4 - The Future
There are no doubt bigger balance fish to fry at present, but here's what I think we'll see with Active Scanners somewhere down the road ...
1. Creodron Flux Nerf
The 200m / 90-¦ scanner will be reduced in range and scan angle. It is the clearest case of imbalance, and once it is nerfed, arguments about active scanner balance will be made substantially less black-and-white.
2. Squad-share vs Team-share Scanners
I suspect that squad-share scanners will be introduced with performance resembling what we have today. Scanners equipped with team-share capabilities will be somewhat crappier, perhaps with shorter scanning distances at weaker decibel levels.
3. Scannerinas Eliminated
KB/M Spinscanning -- which was recently tested and confirmed again -- will flat-out bypass any effort we make toward balance. Should such efforts be made, this issue will likely not be permitted to persist.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Zaria Min Deir
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
1340
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Posted - 2015.04.20 10:34:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:Zaria Min Deir wrote:One Eyed King wrote:
Besides, its really those Anime peeps you have to worry about.
Especially if you see them running around with tentacles.
O.o Are you trying to give me nightmares? The things that cannot be unseen... *shudder* ...Did someone let Jenza in here with linking privileges?
No, please no. The anime folks would be bad enough, but that... O.O
Have you considered installing the improved keyboard?
"Go Go Power Rangers!"
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Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
508
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Posted - 2015.04.20 11:29:00 -
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How about a new Equipment Called Build Barrier,
Barrier could have a Cool Down and it would be a block of no access and have HP so it could be destroyed.
It would have to be restricted within so many meters of objectives |
Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
508
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Posted - 2015.04.20 11:32:00 -
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Webifer Bubble Equipment
Cool down , Drains Stamina in Area for x amount of Time (Help keeps jumper closer to floor) |
Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
508
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Posted - 2015.04.20 11:38:00 -
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EWAR Stamina Drain Tool(Use Rep Tool different color)
Rep Tool like Equipment that saps stamina from enemy players
This E WAR tool would help bring Balance to to Combat Jumpers with out Nerfing the Jump Mods
Again helping combat jumpers
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Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
508
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Posted - 2015.04.20 11:41:00 -
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Vehicle Ammo Pack
This equipment give x amount of ammo to Vehicles
Equipped by Logi |
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Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
508
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Posted - 2015.04.20 11:52:00 -
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Webifer Mine
Limited amount makes Vehicle slow down when it goes over the mine
Mine detonates slowing vehicle .Its all math mines does x amount of decrease to motion number for vehicle. |
Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
508
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Posted - 2015.04.20 11:55:00 -
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Booby Trap Mine
Someone walks or drives over it it explodes throwing item up into the Air with no damage.
May get fall damage |
Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
508
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Posted - 2015.04.20 12:06:00 -
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Anti Flux Bubble
Has time limit so equipment in bubble can't be destroyed by Flux.
When Cooldown is over it disappears,Equipment can still be shot and destroyed by Locus Grenades
Nice to have a safe uplink for x amount of time.
I think logi buffs should be equipment.I don't want the slayer logi again.
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Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
508
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Posted - 2015.04.20 12:10:00 -
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Thinking about equipment hardeners that are only for one kind of damage. Logi has a bonus for pg/cpu can only equip one and drains logis stamina also after cool down of the hardener |
Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
508
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Posted - 2015.04.20 12:42:00 -
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So with out having a shield Rep Tool how about a Rep Like Tool that only gives a % to damage resists to Rep Mercs as long as the mercs shield is up.
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Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
508
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Posted - 2015.04.20 12:45:00 -
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Shield Compact Nano Hive that only Kicks start the shield Recharge or Regen. |
Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
509
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Posted - 2015.04.20 12:51:00 -
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What if the Logis Rep to the Heavy had a Buff effect to the Heavy?Plus damage resist to knives,shotgun,Explosives
A Logi is part of the Heavy ,The logis buff is keeping the heavy alive to kill the scouts.
Presence Buff could be tied to Faction?
Ammar Heavy gets Presence Buff from Ammar Logi. |
Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
509
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Posted - 2015.04.20 12:54:00 -
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Explosive Plate Armor maybe the fix for Flaylock/Massdriving /Remote throwing Scouts
Cross remember this one.Maybe we don't need to nerf the Jump. |
noob cavman
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
2278
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Posted - 2015.04.20 13:11:00 -
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Pfft not enough blood on ceiling nor broken furniture.
*swaggers back to the barbershop*
I want to be a caveman!
Ccp: LEGION
Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5960
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Posted - 2015.04.20 15:22:00 -
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Luther Mandrix wrote:Vehicle Ammo Pack
This equipment give x amount of ammo to Vehicles
Equipped by Logi
As a pilot, I honestly think this would typically be a waste for a Logi to carry. Vehicles have finite ammo, but very large reserves. While not always convenient to go to a supply depot for more ammo, the frequency in which I would benefit from a Logi resupplying me with ammo would be too infrequent for it to merit to use of one of their equipment slots.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast & Blog
www.biomassed.net
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